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Abbott's gone, ...YAY!
September 20 2015
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Insomnian
9 years ago
Is all any of them are. They don't make the decisions, they're just the ones that get paid to take the crap and the hatred or dislike of the people, for the decisions that are made from the selected group. End of the day, liberal, labor, greens, independents, all they are is figureheads. Is when the movement of the expansive populous makes too much noise for it not to be within the best interest of government that the subject matter will be overturned and a vote finally come to head.
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RHP User
9 years ago
In the ministry and a woman as defence minister...I think not much will change yet,he will call an election before next September and if he wins by a decent margin then I think definitely we will see changes,well I hope so...and Labor will dump Shorten for Plibersek xxFreya
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madotara69
9 years ago
Looking fine as per usual, it's lovely to see you and a real challenge to do that in a politically correct view or sense for the better interests of society, so it's just a matter of keeping courtesies balanced with formalities rigid and speaking of that, can you tell Jman we are thinking of you both in unspeakable way's, xx There is a place up in the Hawkesbury River where the Colo river runs in, across the Hawkesbury a ferry in cables for transporting vehicles, even horses or cattle, across the Colo use to be a smaller ferry and had to be wound manually for the crossing. Well it happened that old and time, labour consuming ferry sunk right out in the middle about the same time a politician who also happened to purchase and live in a homestead over that Colo river, it also happened that there was a bright new flash bridge built with a bright flash new town planning planned for the future of opening Sydney to Gosford and so on with a highway that bridge was built for and it's called 'The Bridge to Nowhere' ever since and all it may ever be. So what happens with politics and things getting done, one can never really tell, 'better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it', comes to mind. But, I have a new message in my email from 'change.org' asking if there is any interests I'd like to put forward and represented. Rather than my sense for explaining from all of my personalities perceptions maybe more practical to look up the site if you don't know of it. The best thing since sliced bread for the gay population as far as 'for better interests of society' in my opinion would have to be 'Team Ricky' raw and live on TV and the person in person right up there in the public's eye and showing a wonderful thing, people love him and his partners love story, kids and all. There must be something in the music. Mado Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
As it's been said same shit, different shovel 😊 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Surely there are bigger issues for the government to worry about then same sex marriage . - Posted from rhpmobile
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Mischeviouslad
9 years ago
Anyone And anything Except Shorten. Hollow fraud of a man.
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RHP User
9 years ago
in the middle is so compromised now doing deals to get the backing he needed that all the things people liked him for have been bargained away.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'BellaRH' Surely there are bigger issues for the government to worry about then same sex marriage . - Posted from rhpmobile People should be free to marry whomever they wish,... and yet, it is a big enough issue that the Nationals insisted that Turnbull enter into an agreement not to pursue it the day after he was installed as Prime Minister. Obviously, it's not an important issue to you but my daughter has been waiting years to be able to marry her partner so it's an important issue to me. Thanks for joining the conversation, anyway. hugs and kisses, Jen
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RHP User
9 years ago
Believe in marriage but I believe that everyone no matter their sexual orientation has a right to choose marriage if that is what they want.There is still such a lot of discrimination against people who identify as LGBT ,if you work for a faith based organisation for instance and you are open about your lifestyle your job is definitely at risk. XxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
Marriage is a beautiful commitment between a Man & Woman that is the way it should be . - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
bigotry and discrimination is alive and well in Castle Hill. Pity.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Forsaking all others Mr Bella..not quite you is it...so a tad hypocritical me thinks..as for the Pope...xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'BellaRH' Marriage is a beautiful commitment between a Man & Woman that is the way it should be . what if it was called something else which conveyed all the same rights as a husband and wife have regarding each other? I don't think anyone is seriously arguing religious institutions should have to open their arms to "marry" all and sundry, so whatever church can still go about their business as always. But do you not think a couple of any gender mix should have the same rights as you have?
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RHP User
9 years ago
I suspect you're right, Freya. These seem to be the comments of 'Mr Bella'. A woman would have more sensitivity. He's just fishing. Dangle a line and see who bites. Why else would he come to a forum dedicated to LGBT rights, make grossly outdated comments like these, that he knows to be offensive, then not defend his position. He's just sitting behind his keyboard having a giggle. Sad and pathetic really. Just pay him no mind. Gay marriage in Australia will become a reality. We just need to weather these political delays.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Understandably some are celebrating but some celebrate a change anyway. Some things may be brought to the fore but nothing will get truly better if the system itself does not change. They will still build roads and new buildings over human problems and the environment as this is their agenda. People have always come second to the building of economics as far as I have seen and Mr Turnbull will push that issue further no doubt as it seems he wishes to be in favour of other countries opinions. Life goes on
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RHP User
9 years ago
The fact that same sex marriage hasn't been legalised yet isn't an 'issue'. I prefer to call it a travesty.
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RHP User
9 years ago
so we can get on with other stuff. SS marriage is inevitable. Nike. Now as for Turnbull, major improvement & if that back stabbing climber to the top job from labor ever gets in I give up on ever having a credible pm. Credible pm, mmmm any oxy moron? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
JennyLee just because another person doesn't agree with you on same sex union they are branded"discriminating and bigoted" Well that is not correct, this country is a democracy and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just because it is not the same as yours don't play the cards of the permanently offended crew of "bigotry and discrimination" you demean yourself. As a matter of fact Bella is right, there are bigger issues in this country than same sex union, have a look around if you can't see these issues it's not much point me drawing your attention to them, both sides of politics should agree to a plebiscite and let the people vote, again that is democracy, look it up in the dictionary, it is a privilege we enjoy that a lot of people gave up their lives for, don't try and stifle the comments and opinions of others that don't agree with you with the trite catch phrases of "Bigotry, discrimination, homophobia and religious zealot" A lot of people including me are being alienated by these insulting labels.
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RHP User
9 years ago
It's bigotry and discrimination when 20 percent of the adult population don't have the same rights as the other 80 per cent..Marriage is a legal entity..there are certain rights that are denied couples who are not married ..xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
Look them up some time. I agree that there are a great many issues that our government needs to attend to but that doesn't make the issue of same sex unions any less important. Further, unlike most other problems, this one can be easily rectified. Remove the resistance. Recognise the rights of all people to marry the partner of their choice. Then this will no longer be an issue to distract from others. Simples.
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RHP User
9 years ago
20% Freya? Are you telling me 20% of the population are gay? We have a quaint old saying for a statement like that and it involves what comes out of a bull! Don't shoot from the hip and make emotive statements, according to a survey conducted by the Woman's Weekly in 2014 3.4% of the population CONSIDER them selves gay. You don't have to believe me, do your own research! Now I am not saying those 3.4% don't have rights but by twisting the truth to20% to suit your opinion exemplifies the misinformation out there. Hey don't get me wrong I'm not against same sex marriage, it will happen eventually, I'm not pro or anti any marriage, to me it's a piece of paper! Marriage is a state of mind or it was when I was married! My issue is that this issue is not the elephant in the room, it may have escaped your notice but we have a few other problems in this country! In no particular order: Lack of Public Housing, the standard of education, adult poverty. child poverty, indigenous affairs, domestic violence, violence against children, the ice epidemic, unemployment, radicalisation of the youth, terrorism, Veterans Affairs that include PTSD and veteran/service person mental issues, homelessness and suicide to name a few and I haven't touched on economic issues! Astrild Travesty? I doubt you would know a travesty if it popped up in your porridge!
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RHP User
9 years ago
I find it interesting that a thread on Abbott going has become one based on same sex marriage. Now I'm all for it and as jensman states it is such an easy thing to achieve. For me though as I have never been married and don't particularly subscribe to the idea of sanctity of marriage as it is religiously based. I believe in the sanctity of a union. So many people I know that are married are not religious at all and that kind of blows my mind a bit. But I do understand discrimination and have had much of it during my life so I understand the fuss from that point of view.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I actually replied to Freya to point out the % of those who CONSIDER themselves gay was in 2014 3.4% not 20% apparently the moderator chose not to publish, possibly because of my inference her % was bovine inclined. Those 3.4% still have rights, refer to democracy and as Jensman points same sex union is important to those 3.4% plus their supporters. I did list the issues I considered of greater social, socio-economic, emotive and humane significance and my views on marriage of any sort One poster chose to call this issue a travesty, mustn't have seen a lot of travesty If you remove the word "marriage" and substitute "union" I feel the issue would be less controversial, alternatively if you can find a dictionary, any dictionary in any language that includes same sex in the definition of marriage feel free to call it marriage Not going to waste any more of my time on this issue considering my opinion in censored by the moderator. There is no doubt this issue will be resolved in the affirmative in time and I just can't see that the elevation in priority is justified nor can I see the net gain by this action except for a piece of paper compared to the current situation, take your own steps to cover the legalities of death intestate inheritance, superannuation entitlement, property settlement and parental leave.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I don't think anyone is saying the same sex marriage is the only issue we're facing. I actually have equally strong feelings about a lot the issues you mentioned in your second post, and I agree that they're things we should be focussing on just as much, if not more so in the case of some. However the OP is specifically about gay marriage, and therefore it's natural that the majority of responses focus on it. And as far as your comment directed to me goes - you don't know me, and therefore you don't know what my life experiences have been. So please don't make assumptions about what I would or wouldn't recognise if it 'popped up in my porridge'. Which, by the way, I don't eat :)
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Mischeviouslad
9 years ago
Media has a LOT (IE... a FUCKING LOT) to answer for Abbott, regardless of your personal view of the man... copped a lot of mainstream and social media flak for his character and his policies. Now he's gone..... replaced by Turnbull running on the same policy platform as Abbott.... ...... and the media and social media "warriors" are strangely missing their voices. Weird.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Include people who are bi sexual the stats are closer to fifty per cent.it doesn't require a plebiscite .quite a costly exercise,just some changes to the law.xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
Well, Wolfster, I just googled the definition and it does include same sex partners as well as any combination. It gave words and music as an example but how many times have you heard someone say something like, "This marries up to that"? It's been pointed out to me that language evolves. Look up "bigotry" and "discrimination" though and you'll see that those definitions are unchanged and they apply where I used them. If your comments are being censored by the administrator they are probably offensive. There's no call for that. Maybe the problem here is with your attitude. The issue is just. No one, you included, has a reasonable argument against it and there's no reasonable reason to keep delaying it. That includes your arguments that there are more important things to worry about. Just get it done already.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Personal attacks are just not acceptable here.why do you find it soooo difficult to accept anothers point of view.and we all know what they say about statistics.....many women read these forums so if ya looking for a root ya might be out of luck there Wolfie,so mind your manners .
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RHP User
9 years ago
Jman,how embarrassment I sent the wrong flirt,then the right one..such discombobulati 😨😨😨xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
I ...I ...I like whipped cream.
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RHP User
9 years ago
What were we discussing again? ... Oh yeah, politics. Lady Tuscan for President!!!
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'jennylee1903' Well, Wolfster, I just googled the definition and it does include same sex partners as well as any combination.My 1977 Chambers dictionary and my 2010 Macquarie Australian dictionary both specify marriage as being between an man and a woman. I think Wolfster and others can be forgiven for not being up with the latest interpretation of the meaning of the word.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'jennylee1903' Well, Wolfster, I just googled the definition and it does include same sex partners as well as any combination.My 1977 Chambers dictionary and my 2010 Macquarie Australian dictionary both specify marriage as being between an man and a woman. I think Wolfster and others can be forgiven for not being up with the latest interpretation of the meaning of the word.
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Mischeviouslad
9 years ago
Quoting 'jensman1903' Look them up some time. I agree that there are a great many issues that our government needs to attend to but that doesn't make the issue of same sex unions any less important. Further, unlike most other problems, this one can be easily rectified. Remove the resistance. Recognise the rights of all people to marry the partner of their choice. Then this will no longer be an issue to distract from others. Simples. Why limit to just the one partner? Why not several? And thus ensues..... the reason for discussion.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Freya70' Include people who are bi sexual the stats are closer to fifty per cent.it doesn't require a plebiscite .quite a costly exercise,just some changes to the law.xxFreya Freya where are these stats coming from, an actual source, or just a guesstimate? The 2014 "Sexual identity, sexual attraction and sexual experience: the Second Australian Study of Health and Relationships." had 96.5% identifying as heterosexual. That is a LONG way from 50% - maybe it's 50% if you took a survey of RHP, but not outside the bubble.
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RHP User
9 years ago
S where's ya sense of humour 😝xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
I got them from the New Idea 😊xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Freya70' I got them from the New Idea 😊xxFreya I'm confused as to how they worked that into an article on the royal family or kim kardashian but I'll trust you on this one ;) (My troll detectometer was on the fritz earlier, it's been a VERY long week of competition and brain is completely fried)
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OkeyDoke45
9 years ago
I agree with most on here that people should be free to marry whomever they choose. What confounds me a little though, is that marriage as an institution is failing as the decades fall away, to the sad state of affairs that it is now - half will fail, and I have no doubt that in the decades to come the percentage of failed marriages will increase. Don't get me wrong, I understand (and agree with) the core argument - it's all about choice and the right to choose. But people, we want the right to buy Betamax. We want to jump aboard a ship that is slowly sinking. I don't think same sex couples are diminished in rights (in the strict sense of the word, marriage obviously being the exception) anymore either - I believe the previous (Labor) government passed legislation guaranteeing same sex couples the same rights in regard to finances, adoption or parenthood etc. One last thing, does anybody seriously believe that same-sex marriage will be a panacea to stop discrimination against the LGBTI community? To take your point Freya, and you always make good ones, discrimination in the workplace? Will this stop with marriage equality? *** I confess a conflict of interest - I have one failed marriage to my name *** Just some thoughts, welcome to critique. Of which, I'm sure there will be plenty.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Well they are in competition with wolfies Women's Weekly 😜xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD, BRING ON THE NEXT WITCH!!5 PM S IN 5 YEARS WHAT A NATIONAL DISGRACE. tHE REALLY ARE A MOB OF MASTURBATERS (sIC) pOLIES
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RHP User
9 years ago
Where else can Womens Day and New Idea be reference sources ! Pmsl
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RHP User
9 years ago
Oh Malcolm must you be such a tool following in the footsteps of the Abbott fooland refusing to see that marriage equality really is as simple as abc You say there will be a plebiscite and that makes many of us uptightfor you are wasting taxpayers moneyand that really is not funnyjust go ahead and do what is right! For we are saying it very loudlywe want marriage equality stop being cowardlyend discrimination because you canand ensure woman can marry woman and man can marry man Yes Malcolm, don't be a toolstop acting like a foolgo ahead and do what's rightand we will see your intelligence and might Copyright 2015
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Smilingwithfun
9 years ago
Why just Abbott & Turnbull. Labor under Rudd/Gillard had 6 years to change the law.
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RHP User
9 years ago
lets worry more about boat people and how everyone here is paying taxes to support these ungrateful people. They land on our shores and expect to have everything given to them because they are coming from a war torn country etc, at least we provide them with something better than what they are used too in shelter and 3 meals a day and running water. Please, if they still continue too complain and riot send them all home if they don't like it..Gag them, they have no right of reply in this great country
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RHP User
9 years ago
They should not be able to change the PM without and election. One of the big problems with the Westminster system. As for marriage equality - only the individual can decide who they wish to spend their life with. Government should have no say in the matter.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Mithras71' They should not be able to change the PM without and election. One of the big problems with the Westminster system. As for marriage equality - only the individual can decide who they wish to spend their life with. Government should have no say in the matter. nonsense, the PM isn't elected by the people, the PM is picked afterwards - it generally gets to be the leader of a major party but that is just because they have the numbers in the parliament. You just need to be elected into govt and it could be anyone, not even from House of Reps e.g. John Gorton who was the only PM to come from the Senate. Imagine this scenario - for some reason no major parties get elected, every seat is won by an independent. Who is your PM? How did anyone 'elect' a PM into parliament?
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RHP User
9 years ago
A stated conponent of marriage was for the purpose of having children. With society moving in a vector away from abstaining until you find a good match (and all of the broken families and single parents this generates) perhaps marriage is due for redefining back towards being a vessel for inheritance and away from being about the adults that are performing the marriage. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
I can't decide whether it's laughable or just a tragedy that the Libs have been hijacked by a socialist and probably secretly a Fabian as well. Also, as far as gay marriage goes, it's not so much the gay marriage, it's what comeswith it. Look to the Canadian legislative example. The State has no business being involved in peoples love lives. I also see people being called bigots, how hypocritical, i bet each and every person here is a bigoted about something.Bigotry....the jargon of the left..
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'prowlingtiga' lets worry more about boat people and how everyone here is paying taxes to support these ungrateful people. They land on our shores and expect to have everything given to them because they are coming from a war torn country etc, at least we provide them with something better than what they are used too in shelter and 3 meals a day and running water. Please, if they still continue too complain and riot send them all home if they don't like it..Gag them, they have no right of reply in this great country Zeig Heil.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Golly, i do find it a bit of a shock when people on RHP or all places are narrow minded, old fashioned, and not respectful of others' rights or choices. Hypocrisy for the win, eh? Gay marriage is not just about a piece of paper - it has repercussions in terms of financial and other rights. But praps you're too busy enjoying state sanctioned "forsaking all others" to have thought this through. Each to their own, i suppose - and i do think theres some value in telling people who you are and how you think... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Why is it seemingly always middle aged men that are staunchly against same sex marriage?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Besides, boat people are just a political football. It's been hyped up and used to distract people from truly important issues. The vast majority of illegal immigrants arrive on planes only a small percentage on boats and yet millions of dollars have been spent on chasing down the boats. Felonious, I don't really understand the notion of left from right in politics. Apparently, the left are the greens, who are too stupid to realise that burning off in bushland before fire season is a good thing and the right are dinosaurs who think society should have remained unchanged since the fifties. I have a good grasp on right from wrong though and it's wrong not to recognise everyone's right to marry the partner of their own choosing. Joeynpete, Gay couples raise children too, you know.Smilingwithfun, we're discussing Abbot and Turnbull because they are relevant to now. Labour, Liberal, who cares?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'S_OnTheLoose' Quoting 'Mithras71' They should not be able to change the PM without and election. One of the big problems with the Westminster system. As for marriage equality - only the individual can decide who they wish to spend their life with. Government should have no say in the matter. nonsense, the PM isn't elected by the people, the PM is picked afterwards - it generally gets to be the leader of a major party but that is just because they have the numbers in the parliament. You just need to be elected into govt and it could be anyone, not even from House of Reps e.g. John Gorton who was the only PM to come from the Senate. Imagine this scenario - for some reason no major parties get elected, every seat is won by an independent. Who is your PM? How did anyone 'elect' a PM into parliament? I am fully aware of how the electoral system in this country works. IMHO you should not be changing the country's supposed leader without reference to the electorate and the fact that this is not catered for within the Westminster system is that systems greatest weakness. Five PM's in 5 years tells me that something is needed to discourage the knee jerk dump the leader reaction just because the polls aren't in your favour.
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RHP User
9 years ago
George Bernard Shaw would be proud 😝xxFreya
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cymbeline
9 years ago
Dear All, Why must politics rear its ugly head on this great Site?....I go one step further than Bismarck by saying Politics demeans any one it touches...The only thing more pathetic than the Party Faithful,are the Politicians themselves if they believe they can Change the Nation...No these rulers themselves are really servants to the subtle Engineering of the Sir Humphreys of this World Who have no principles beyond a belief that it is necessary to keep politicians away from exercising any real power at all,leaving matters safely in the hands of the Unelected Servants of the People...So don't worry about it Guys,In the End we all go to Hell on a Wheelbarrow anyway(Smile).
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'cymbeline' Dear All, Why must politics rear its ugly head on this great Site?....I go one step further than Bismarck by saying Politics demeans any one it touches...The only thing more pathetic than the Party Faithful,are the Politicians themselves if they believe they can Change the Nation...No these rulers themselves are really servants to the subtle Engineering of the Sir Humphreys of this World Who have no principles beyond a belief that it is necessary to keep politicians away from exercising any real power at all,leaving matters safely in the hands of the Unelected Servants of the People...So don't worry about it Guys,In the End we all go to Hell on a Wheelbarrow anyway(Smile). And should be discussed whenever human rights are being infringed upon, whenever change in social norms and standards are needed. And politics should be discussed wherever there are people with the interest to discuss it. Sure you like to think sex and relationships are not political. Obviously they are and its because of people who have stood up and said its not ok to criminalise sexuality that homosexuality is even legal. Until everyone has equal rights I will continue discussing politics, here, there, everywhere I go because I refuse to be apathetic about injustice and systemic discrimination. Wildy passionate
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Myusernamesucks
9 years ago
I'm still celebrating the lizard/chimp hybrid is no longer our PM but it seems Turnbull is supporting the same backwards and money over humanity policies so unless Labor make it an electoral campaign I doubt marriage equality will happen anytime soon sadly - Posted from rhpmobile
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Glamfan
9 years ago
Quoting 'BellaRH' Surely there are bigger issues for the government to worry about then same sex marriage . - Posted from rhpmobile The depression and suicide rate among LGBTI teens concerns me, and surely not having the right to marry consenting adult partner of their choice must make them feel second rate citizens, and this must contribute to the depression and anxiety.
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RHP User
9 years ago
And what make a people think that shit is going to change for the better for the peoples of Australia...? You're all still stuck in what's called "the false left right paradigm". Ever wondered why it's called the 'two party "preferred" system'.? Because 'they' prefer you vote for one of the two parties into power, and when you do, nothing will ever change- the only difference is you can say (with great pride) "thank F he's gone, now MY team got in". Politics comes from the Greek word, 'poly' meaning 'many' AND 'tics' meaning 'blood sucking parasite'- think I'm kidding.........????? Hit me up to see what 'parliament' means.... 🙊🙉🙈
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