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Australia Day.
January 25 2016
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RHP User
9 years ago
i got to work so no i do not celebrate any holidays
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
Its a bit foreign to me.I was born in the 60s here and about 6th generation here back to 1800s, as I recall up till about the 80s after America Cup win we just didn't celebrate it and even then not much after that.Only in the last decade maybe its been more widely celebrated however the jingoism has ramped up a lot and I don't go for that. Just looks like city folks trying to be cuntry folks for a day to me.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Don't get me wrong, I AM a proud Australian. I love this country. But I'm sick and tired of having Australia Day hijacked. That is, changing the name of the day to 'citizen day' or similar, the republican movement politicising the day (by the way, I'm a Republic supporter) and the aboriginal community calling it 'invasion day'. Why can't we all for at least one day of the year join together and celebrate what it is to be Australian.
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
To add to the above postA theory is that it is a bit of imported nationalism mostly celebrated by 2nd and 3rd generation migrants who came here from countries where nationalist displays showing flags where common to pledge allegiance to their countries and that has to some degree converted into a pledging of allegiance to the new country Aus.No problem with that. Many countries fought wars within their own borders to secure their nations but we never did and we don't have the same degree of nationality they do, we just migrated here and many sent here as convicts in the beginning.Seemed like a nice place to live and the rest of the world was in turmoil by comparison which is why later settlers (like my ancestors) came here.Mine ex naval got a civil post as a Harbour Master here in the 1800s and stayed. Most of my life here the Aus flag only came out on Anzac day pretty much, only place we ever saw them much other than that was out the front of RSL's
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RHP User
9 years ago
BBQ with the family as we appreciate and celebrate all that this amazing country is. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Probity' Just looks like city folks trying to be cuntry folks for a day to me. Uhh . there are Australians up in the bush you know ..
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RHP User
9 years ago
I don't "Celebrate" Australia day per se. I like to take it quiet and if possible go for a bit of a bush walk and appreciate the country. Have to agree with Probity and say that the jingoism that has come out in recent yrs is a bit much to swallow. As an old sergeant used to say "We are NOT F@#$ing Yanks." ANZAC day holds more significance for me.
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RHP User
9 years ago
agreed with what Probity said (though I was born '79 and 'arrived' on the Third Fleet). I don't know why you say city folks being country, but definitely more jingoistic. It feels very Americanised, the only time I ever recall "hand on heart" stuff is on American TV - not Australian. But that is the dominant image of patriotism that they see.
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
Quoting 'amos444' Quoting 'Probity' Uhh . there are Australians up in the bush you know .. Yes I know, that was the point I made.It was in the past mostly observed by people in the bush not in the cities.
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
And for most part Australians up to only one generation ago pledged allegiance to the British Empire not Australia.Our grandparents were mostly trying to be British with Hot Roasts and High teas on a stinking hot Xmas days. We all lined up in primary school every morning and sung God Save the Queen and our parents sang God save the King and there was no Australian national anthem as far as we knew, And when we got Advance Australia Fair most pooh pooed it and wondered what the hell Girt meant, like it was written by some poet in Canberra or something.It didn't reflect true Australia for many and why so many wanted other anthems like Waltzing Matilda but that was about a livestock thief and it failed to win the competition. I'm not trying to put a damper on it but if you are going to celebrate Australia day you should know what its all about and how it was observed in the past.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm from Perth ,I know we have been celebrating Australia Day, ever since I can remember always with the sky show on the river!! So I'm proud to be a Aussie !! And proud to fly the Aussie flag !! Tho I won't be celebrating due to other reasons this year .
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
And we're glad you came here. Before we had a migrant population in Australia, it was a very dull place.Aside from all the stiffness of conservative Monarchists it was just dull and boring, if you watch old back and white tv videos that's was what it was like back then growing up here, no color in our lives.3 meat and veg, roast in Sundays, beach, drive in movies was highlights.Moomba and the Royal Show was a big day out and that's about all. They filed in the lines with color and change the way we dressed and thing we eat and everything else because there wasn't much here before. People back then used to scrimp and save for only one reason, there was nothing here to spend money on.My mother rest her soul reminded me often of that fact and she came from a very well to do rural family and never had any illusions about life in Aus before migrants came. Her family used to sail to the continent and USA for holidays and brought back many tales of wonder, and some electrical appliances too. It sucked here.Nothing to do or see and nothing to buy. When we discovered Dim Sims, Spag bol, Pizza and Souvlaki we couldn't get enough of it.We all fled from eating sheep and chooks and 3 veg that was the staple before.Meat was all "2 tooth" back then, all mutton. So most of us are pretty pleased about migrants coming to Aus.A few die hards that fought wars and never got over what they saw overseas and wanted none of it here, but they're all pushing up daisies now. Glad you finally made it.
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RHP User
9 years ago
It is unfortunatly a day which divides. We could look to another date which unites both the indigenous community and all others. We are a unique mix of the oldest civilisation and a new country, federated in 1901, surely it would be better to find common ground. I nominate August 16, the day Goth Whitlam poured some sand through the hands of Vincent Lingiari a symbolic gesture which recognised the traditional inhabitants. Our modern nation will only grow and mature when we acknowledge the past and the true history, no recriminations, just acknowledge and honour the survivors However I believe we must all acknowledge and accept the many different ways tomorrow is celebrated by those who wish to celebrate it or the gatherings of those who do not wish to celebrate it, as long as the celebrations are free of violence and abuse of those who may not agree with our own beliefs and opinions. Just my simple thoughts
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RHP User
9 years ago
Congratulations on your 10 year anniversary
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RHP User
9 years ago
Well this is our country our way of life respect it no matter where your from you live here and celebrate it as us Australians do beers barbie with friends 👍🍻 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
What a lucky country we live in that we have the weather and the ability to swim naked n beautiful beaches :) Warnbro beach ... Here I come
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RHP User
9 years ago
So the first fleet landed at Sydney Cove on 26 January 1788. But it was 13 days later when Australia was truly born. Because that's when they let the women off the boats after they had set up a basic camp. What followed was a huge orgy of rooting for a couple of days. So this Australia Day commemorate it in true Aussie fashion - by fucking your bum off. Happy Australia Day.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I don't really care for Australia Day personally. My mates always took it for a good reason to get pissed during the day and listen to the hottest 100 while having a bbq. Since then I stopped drinking, became a vegan and never liked JJJ LOL! I just like the time off, hottest 100 can go eat a bowl of dicks!
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RHP User
9 years ago
By the way I do like being an Australian (though our politicians bruise my prade a little more each day). I just like doing Australia day quietly, having a laid back day with my partner
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RHP User
9 years ago
We celebrate with family and friends every year. The jingoistic stuff fades into insignificance compared to the real meaning. Being Aussie means a lot to a lot of different people. Summer_ solstice is the classic example . Love your attitude and outfit Summer.. That's what I mean.
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PurePeony
9 years ago
I wave the mini flags I was given during my Citizenship Ceremony and I admire my Australian Citizenship certificate in the morning. I'm patriotic and I love my country! I was hoping that this year, I would be able to celebrate Australia Day with a big bang by seeing stars and having jelly legs. I was hoping to meet a man who would take Monday off work so we could do a completely dirrrrrty weekend somewhere nice and step out only for food and drinks. Alas... my fantasy didn't come true this year! I didn't get to erect some lucky guy's flag pole. *sulks...
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RHP User
9 years ago
Likes Australia Day 😊 I'm going to go skinny dipping at swannie and then the fireworks & a BBQ with friends. I've made a massive Vegemite jar cake lol it's huge!
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Probity'Many countries fought wars within their own borders to secure their nations but we never did and we don't have the same degree of nationality they do, we just migrated here and many sent here as convicts in the beginning.Seemed like a nice place to live and the rest of the world was in turmoil by comparison which is why later settlers (like my ancestors) came here. This may be true from an Anglo Saxon perspective. Unfortunately a war was fought to secure this nation against the indigenous inhabitants of the time. Thats just a fact. This household is pretty much divided. I'll celebrate with a few beers and a bbq with friends, but mrs3 chooses not to celebrate due to her background. My daughter also chooses not to celebrate. If they maybe ever decide to move the day of celebration to a more acceptable one for all concerned that may change but until then I guess thats just how it is. I also find ANZAC Day to be a more accurate reflection of the true Australian spirit. In my experience Australia Day is celebrated more by the younger crowd with displays of drunken aggression and misplaced bigotry lately. I won't even take my daughter to the skyshow as there's just too many dickheads looking to punch on instead of celebrating what the Australian way of life is supposed to be about. That said, I usually enjoy the day and celebrate it in my own manner with friends. Mr3
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
It's fine to be proud to be Australian but it has to be moderated and not to excess.Not to be politicised or used to as an excuse or a wedge for other matters.It's true that Patriotism can be the last refuge of the scoundrel, hiding under the flag.And we cant let it be used that way.As an Australian I don't need to give migrants a lecture on what happens when nationalism and patriotism over flows, the result is wars and that's what drove many people to come here and leave that behind them.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Well I have never been part of an Australia day party, bbq or celebration. I hold the flag high and proud on ANZAC day. I am torn between the love of my country and the sad truth for how we came to be here. Over the last few years Australia day has got me pretty down with way too much racism going on and not accepting all Australians. Rather poor form considering none of us are truly Australian unless indigenous But to those who do get out the bbq and esky have a great day of celebration
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
I was hoping that this year, I would be able to celebrate Australia Day with a big bang by seeing stars and having jelly legs. I was hoping to meet a man who would take Monday off work so we could do a completely dirrrrrty weekend somewhere nice and step out only for food and drinks. Alas... my fantasy didn't come true this year! I didn't get to erect some lucky guy's flag pole. *sulks... You know you could.But you start with a fairly small pool of men who qualify. only professionals cuts it down by over half the men here at least before you get the next filter you have.The only way to ensure you can find a man for occasions like this is to expand your horizons a bit. Good luck
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Myusernamesucks
9 years ago
I celebrate the traditional way bu wandering into a strangers house and claiming I 'discovered' it and then declaring the people who live there to be fauna. Understanding the terrible things that happened with white colonisation here isn't "politicizing" if anymore than acknowledging the deaths of the ANZACs on ANZAC day is - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
With friends hanging out and enjoying a day in this beautiful land we live. So its 7.30am and Im all packed to head to the part of beautiful coastline I live near to. Oh and the best part its the nudist beach, so a day or even part of a day spent naked and relaxed is a day worth having. Happy Australia Day Everyone
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MsSuperFoxy
9 years ago
Has just started QLD Time. I'm a little disappointed there's on 54 Aussie songs or something like that (they said on TripleJ). About 7:10pm is when we get to here the #1. Ms Foxy
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RHP User
9 years ago
on Australia Day I try to get my work done asap then chill for the rest of the day, paying respect to the original owners of this magnificently vast and beautiful land.
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Seachange
9 years ago
Growing up as a second generation Aussie in a Victorian Country town (apparently a city now) has presented its challenges for my siblings and myself to assimilate into the white australian society. We were one of the very few 'foreign' families in the area and viewed with some suspicion by the established Anglo families, regardless with the fact that both my parents were highly educated well travelled professionals who contributed greatly to the community. Only after we were 'adopted' by my mother's best friend's family were we treated in a different light. She came from a rich well-respected family in the region. We were invited to every occasion like Christmas and Easter as part of the 'clan'. We were taught Australian customs and went out to the bush and the beaches with them. We developed a love for the land as we helped feed and herd the cattle in their land. They showed us that most Australians are decent people - hard working, funny, generous in spirit and laid back. They showed us that even if they were very rich, they helped the needy and welcomed the new migrants. We helped out with their church fundraising drives (they were Presbytarians although we were Catholics. it did not matter). My mom and her Miss J would picked up women from their homes in Ungodly hours (both nurses) who were victim of domestic violence. This was before there were active social programs we have now. Our Aussie family treated us like family and instilled a great sense of pride, respect for the land and its people. They were sympatheic and respectful to the indigenous people and explained to us some history of the land. They showed us how to be Great Australians by leading by example. They showed us that being a good Australian is to give back to the community, to make life better for all people regardless of race, religion or creed and to rise above the small mindedness of the minority who ruin it for the rest of the good people of this land. I miss Nan, Pop and MsJ. They are gone now. We have lived overseas since we were young (due to parents' jobs) and lived in different cultures. It was a great life and eye opener but I do miss Australia each time. We identify ourselves as Australians. I am proud to be an Australian.
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RHP User
9 years ago
What a shame our history is told through the lies of the English eyes that came. Interestingly, Australia had been discovered many times before, shown throughout aboriginal history. England being well down the order of that list.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting '1BrisMan' It is unfortunatly a day which divides. We could look to another date which unites both the indigenous community and all others. We are a unique mix of the oldest civilisation and a new country, federated in 1901, surely it would be better to find common ground. I nominate August 16, the day Goth Whitlam poured some sand through the hands of Vincent Lingiari a symbolic gesture which recognised the traditional inhabitants. Our modern nation will only grow and mature when we acknowledge the past and the true history, no recriminations, just acknowledge and honour the survivors However I believe we must all acknowledge and accept the many different ways tomorrow is celebrated by those who wish to celebrate it or the gatherings of those who do not wish to celebrate it, as long as the celebrations are free of violence and abuse of those who may not agree with our own beliefs and opinions. Just my simple thoughts 100% agree. Truth with a path forward and excepting of all.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I acknowledge our aboriginal friends are the original Australians. I also acknowledge the Dutch were the first to map the west coast in the 1600s then known as Van Deimans land. The British settled in farm cove in about 1778. Cruelty was the order of the day as it was in most country's not just here. Our beginnings and history are nothing to be proud of but we worked hard to put that right and grow as a nation . I'm proud to see the aboriginal and Union Jack flying side by side, and I thought it was great to see and hear Jess Mauboy sing the national anthem in both Aboriginal and English on the morning show today. Shows we have grown up. Those who see Australia Day as anything else, I believe you don't quite get it. I also believe 99% of Aussies getting out to enjoy our day are well behaved and not over the top as some suggest.
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MsSuperFoxy
9 years ago
"Here" in my post, should be HEAR. Have an Aussie field day with that. LOL!!! 😱 Ms Foxy
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm having a field day with the title line- "Grammer Nazis" WTF.? *tisk tisk tisk* *shakes head slowly* It's GrammAr Nazis. That's ok- The Free Dictionary says it's a common mistake......
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RHP User
9 years ago
However just to get into the spirit of things, the lawns were done n dusted by 0745. No leaf blower either!
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MsSuperFoxy
9 years ago
Pmsl! Haha you got it! Too funny. Ms Foxy
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RHP User
9 years ago
Celebrating the date British people first arrived is understandably offensive to aboriginals. I really liked Anthony Mundine's suggestion that we commiserate the violence and injustices suffered by aboriginals throughout the process of establishing this great country. Mundine suggested we allocate the first half of the day, before noon, to this and then celebrate the great country we have become after noon. I thought that was a gracious suggestion on his behalf (I only clicked the article to see what rediculousness he had come up with this time). After all, we allocate a whole day to commemorate our attempted invasion of Turkey. Why shouldn't we commiserate what happened to the aboriginals? They are part of this country too. January 26th would seem the logical date to do this. I personally think this deserves a whole day and we should move Australia day to the second Friday of the year so that the first working week of the year is a short week. I don't just want another day off work, I genuinely think that is fair and just.
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
Quoting 'cwhereitgoes' However just to get into the spirit of things, the lawns were done n dusted by 0745. No leaf blower either! And that is exactly how Australians like myself have mostly celebrated Australia day too for decades..It was just another day to most and now its becoming a bit of a sideshow for some and a time for politics for others..
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RHP User
9 years ago
And when does it ever end ? When do we say enough is enough ? With due respect, you are relatively young in the scheme of these things . Seriously , I heard your same argument 30 years ago and have witnessed governments and others trying very hard to appease our indigenous cousins many times since. We officially said sorry for the artrosity our forebear,s committed many many years ago. How long must it take before the sorry kicks in and we all start to move forward.? Australia Day should be a day for the coming together as one nation for all Australians, white , black or brindle. Our flags fly together , and the anthem sung in both dialects. We can't change history but we can attitudes.
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TheLuckyOne
9 years ago
That I have never really celebrated Australia Day. It's my birthday and as that is what January 26 means to me, I realised that I have never celebrated this day as most people do. I've always appreciated having a public holiday for my birthday every year, though the true spirit of the day is lost on me I am ashamed to say. It must suck to be born on Christmas Day!
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
You want evidence of Whitlams act. Just google "Lord Vestey and Vincent Lingiari"Click on the video of Sam Vestey and you discover the video is still there but now private access. It contains what I quoted here that he stated and the film shows a time stamp of 1972In that video he talks about him being happy to give them the land, in 1972The Whitlam handover show was in 1975 I have a copy of it but sure is day is night if I post it the ABC will be on to me for infringement in 2 shakes of a sauce bottle, they want it gone but don't want to delete it which would make it a bit too obvious.But its it still there for private access All it will take is an FOI and the ABC will have no choice to allow access to the footage and once people see it they will see that Whitlam was an emperor with no clothes.Pity we don't have any journalist in this country with the guts to do it
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
You cant handle the truth The left cries about freedom of speech but are the horrified to find out not everyone agrees with them and are their first to leap up and shut down any dissent from their own opinions and freedom of speech get thrown in the bin by the same lot.You can only bury lies so long.
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MsSuperFoxy
9 years ago
After reading your post. I actually agree with you. (The first 2 paragraphs that is) Ms Foxy
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MsSuperFoxy
9 years ago
Happy (Belated) Birthday. I think I've wished you that quite a few times within the forums. I do still like that pic of you holding the flowers. I remember that. :-) Ms Foxy
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RHP User
9 years ago
"We", as in the population of Australia, are never going to agree on this issue. It will never end. It's an emotive issue, people will have strong views and they will obviously differ. Some people will never get over it and some people will never care. I think "we" should talk about what happened when the aboriginal and british cultures first met and how they have interacted until this day. There were some horrible things that happened but the story isn't all doom and gloom. But that is and was my opinion. It was formed by about 20 hours of reading early newspapers from the early swan river colony and two years working in the desert. Referenced against my 33 years of life experience of course.
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
Quoting 'The_3somes' Quoting 'Probity'Many countries fought wars within their own borders to secure their nations but we never did and we don't have the same degree of nationality they do, we just migrated here and many sent here as convicts in the beginning.Seemed like a nice place to live and the rest of the world was in turmoil by comparison which is why later settlers (like my ancestors) came here. This may be true from an Anglo Saxon perspective. Unfortunately a war was fought to secure this nation against the indigenous inhabitants of the time. Thats just a fact. This household is pretty much divided. I'll celebrate with a few beers and a bbq with friends, but mrs3 chooses not to celebrate due to her background. My daughter also chooses not to celebrate. If they maybe ever decide to move the day of celebration to a more acceptable one for all concerned that may change but until then I guess thats just how it is. I also find ANZAC Day to be a more accurate reflection of the true Australian spirit. In my experience Australia Day is celebrated more by the younger crowd with displays of drunken aggression and misplaced bigotry lately. I won't even take my daughter to the skyshow as there's just too many dickheads looking to punch on instead of celebrating what the Australian way of life is supposed to be about. That said, I usually enjoy the day and celebrate it in my own manner with friends. Mr3 No its not a fact not the case and there is proof to the contrary in the national archives in first hand accounts none of which refers to any wars waged or battles.Don't go making up Aus history if you don't know it. And if oppression of Aboriginals is your concern then perhaps you can explain to Aussies how the systematic oppression of your own countrymen works under the Indian caste system.When Indian media commentators all cried Australia is a racist nation using the example of oppression of Aboriginals we all wondered how they hell they could ask that when they never so much as asked the question about oppression in their own country.Some commentators here asked the same question so you being the expert on oppression here maybe you can explain it to us while your busy going on about us oppressing Aboriginals and having mythical wars with them.
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
If this is how its going to continue why did we even bother with "sorry day" Id bet money not one person here who came into this thread to attack us for celebrating Australia day had the balls at any of the Aus day celebrations they attended in person to start giving everyone there a perverted history lesson and talking about Invasion day. So easy to attack here in the forums, and then when faced with rebuttals they run the moderators and complain about abuse when they cast the first stones. If you want some facts about the modern day plight of Aboriginals you should listen to them yourselves and listen to people like Lois O'donoghue not the damn ABC.
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
I meant to say listen to Marcia Langton about the modern plight of Aboriginals
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RHP User
9 years ago
Truth is , not the first time you dissected my posts and I dare say not the last. READ the whole post , not just part. . The post wasn't about Deepest P or me . But you already know there's no glory commenting otherwise. Why not try commenting on the content of the post instead of delveing into the negative. Schoolgirl stuff.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'amos444' How long must it take before the sorry kicks in and we all start to move forward.? How about once Australian Aboriginal people can expect to live as long as the rest of us? Currently they have the worst life expectancy of any Indigenous group in the world, and the gap between the LE of Aboriginal and non-Indigenous in Australia is tied at worst in the world, with Nepal.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Happy birthday for yesterday!
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lovman8
9 years ago
And I think we are (a large majority of us any way) fortunate to have some of the best living conditions in the world. And although there is a a few glaring exceptions generally our values and treatment of each other is good. The "fair go" and "taking people as they come" and open good humour of our society is to be admired. However Australia Day some how miss the mark for me. We have a dark underside ( violence against women and family, racism, and non acknowledgement of our indigenous past being some of them) which is not strongly enough acknowledge nor is enough effort put into trying to remedy. PS And while I am proud to be Australian, our national anthem sucks and I'm not too keen on the flag either!
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RHP User
9 years ago
Our Australia Day at Cronulla was really nice. Meet up with some friends late arvo at the local club with a window seat overlooking the park where all the action was going on. After a few hours and a few ales we wandered down to the park to people watch and watch the entertainment. Good to see people of all nationalities getting into the mood and singing along to John Farnhams ' your the voice '. The fireworks were much better than I expected. Went for about 20 mins and were quite spectacular. The crowd was relaxed and happy and no trouble makers.. The day was good we were home by 11pm.. Oi Oi Oi
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RHP User
9 years ago
Yes ' agree. So what do you suggest we do . ? I've witnessed hard how we tryed to help our aboriginal brothers and sisters. Some however don't want our help. No poverty is good poverty, if we can help , we should . One of the bigest problems we face is the inbuilt traditions which effectively stops any real progress. How do you help when it's not wanted. ? and how long do we need to pass this guilt on to our children and them to their children. Creating one Australia is a start.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Luck_Dragon' Quoting 'amos444' How long must it take before the sorry kicks in and we all start to move forward.? How about once Australian Aboriginal people can expect to live as long as the rest of us? Currently they have the worst life expectancy of any Indigenous group in the world, and the gap between the LE of Aboriginal and non-Indigenous in Australia is tied at worst in the world, with Nepal. that is very easy to say, but it's a pretty damn complex problem, and I don't think that arguing for long term parity makes sense when we're talking about groups that are both genetically distinct, and that wish to maintain distinct and different cultures. Not to say that progress can't be made, but I don't think it's as easy as it sounds when you have finite resources and must allocate them to do the most benefit. An issue impacting fully 50% of a group that makes up 2.4% of the population, is dwarfed by an issue facing only 2% of the rest of the population. So it's a very interesting problem to consider IMO. (By comparison, people of Chinese ancestry make up 4% of the Australian population according to the last census) IMO in this instance it might make more sense to talk in absolute numbers than rates or percentages. As a cynical exercise to appease people, given the small numbers of people involved you could probably afford to raise indigenous life expectancy ABOVE that of the general population.... it'd just be at the expense of a much larger number of other people.
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
Quoting 'Luck_Dragon' Quoting 'amos444' How long must it take before the sorry kicks in and we all start to move forward.? How about once Australian Aboriginal people can expect to live as long as the rest of us? Currently they have the worst life expectancy of any Indigenous group in the world, and the gap between the LE of Aboriginal and non-Indigenous in Australia is tied at worst in the world, with Nepal. Well if they keep wafting around for politicians the help them they will be disappointed for generations come.Politicians are all cockroaches interested only in their own political skin and are the ones who put Aboriginals where they are now, up shit creek without a job. Aboriginals need to engage in commerce because that is the only place money comes from, value adding a good or service and it doesn't come from anywhere else and no magic pudding or money tree.If they want out of poverty then commerce is the only way out. They need to follow the advice of people like Marcia Langton who isn't going to lectured anymore by the left about exploiting commercial opportunities.Her response to them bleating on about Aboriginals deriving income form mining was to say that those on the left who complain should try growing up in poverty with 8 kids to a room and see how they feell about it then. The anti mining rent a crowd used the Aboriginal land issues as leverage to stop mining, for their own ends not to help Aboriginals at allBut it seems Aboriginals have had the last laugh on them because form all that they got a far better negotiating position to get a better deal form Miners.And now they have that Aboriginals are saying dig all you want and send the cheque.And are making a pretty good dollar from it in royalties they wouldn't have gotten if not for the rent a crowd mobs opposed to mining.Leaving the left all butt hurt about it. Aboriginals got the lands they wanted and now they should commercially exploit them to enrich themselves.Being affluent doesn't mean being white or assimilated it just means having wealth to provide a better life for them that no politicians will ever get them.And they should go for it gang busters, sell the farm if it improves their lives and tell the left if they don't like it they can go pound sand.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Summer_solstice' Quoting 'amos444' With due respect, you are relatively young in the scheme of these things . Seriously , I heard your same argument 30 years ago and have witnessed governments and others trying very hard to appease our indigenous cousins many times since. What on earth does Deepestpurple's age have to do with it? He may just be better informed on the subject than you, unless it's a "you had to be there" type thing that makes the opinions of those who weren't less valid?My guess is as good as yours . After all this is only guess from you or maybe a wish or both ? The fact that Deepest was only about 3 at the time might have something to do with it, or should we not say that ? seriously ? Summer , poking holes in fresh air comes to mind.
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MsSuperFoxy
9 years ago
Before it becomes an "attack of the pigeons to hot chips at the beach" type of thing.... I do think it's slightly gone off topic and has for a few pages now. The OP asked questions "Do you celebrate , watch the news or just don't care?". Maybe that's what posters should be answering. 😊 😊 Ms Foxy
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'SuperFoxxxy' Before it becomes an "attack of the pigeons to hot chips at the beach" type of thing.... I do think it's slightly gone off topic and has for a few pages now. The OP asked questions "Do you celebrate , watch the news or just don't care?". Maybe that's what posters should be answering. 😊 😊 Ms Foxy what if this sort of discussion is how you 'celebrate' Australia Day? I have a barbecue lunch, discuss these issues online, and try to avoid replying to the masses of facebook posts about "invasion day" from people who's depth of engagement with the topic is clicking "share" on facebook once a year - most of them also tried to "Stop Koni". since the OP is engaging in this conversation rather than trying to shut it down, what is the problem? I think the slight diversion is interesting.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'S_OnTheLoose' Quoting 'Luck_Dragon' Quoting 'amos444' How long must it take before the sorry kicks in and we all start to move forward.? How about once Australian Aboriginal people can expect to live as long as the rest of us? Currently they have the worst life expectancy of any Indigenous group in the world, and the gap between the LE of Aboriginal and non-Indigenous in Australia is tied at worst in the world, with Nepal. that is very easy to say, but it's a pretty damn complex problem I was just making a point in response to the trite suggestion that Aboriginal people basically just need to get over it. I think I'd find it pretty damn hard to just forgive, forget, and pretend everything is hunky dory, if I knew that despite us living in the same country the person saying it was statistically likely to live a lot longer than me (due to complex factors as you say and I'm not attempting to start a discussion in this thread about how all of those issues are addressed).
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RHP User
9 years ago
Thought it was only a matter of time until someone started waffling about 'the left', the 'anti-mining crowd' etc. I'm done in here
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RHP User
9 years ago
Commiseration isn't about guilt. I think if we talked about what happened frank and honestly people will see that the world was a rough place were cruelty meant power and oftentimes people sought power simply to prevent it being used against them or people they care about. It always has been and always will be. The aboriginal inhabitants of this land at the time of the british arrivals knew this reality as well as anyone and were typically more afraid of neighboring tribes than the british (at least in the swan river colony). The disruption of the aboriginal cultures was inevitable (as it is for all cultures). But they were cultures that survived for tens of thousands of years in some one of the world's most inhospitable places so I think they deserve commemorating. I think we should also recognize that the culture we have today, that started with the arrival of the british, would never have survived here without the help from the aboriginals and the things learned about surviving in this land from their cultures. We have absorbed many aspects of aboriginal culture into ours as part of differentiating Australian culture from British culture. That should be celebrated. I think we should recognize that really terrible things happened in the process of these two cultures meeting and working out how to coexist and assimilate, I think that should be commiserated. And I think waving flags and banging on about how great we are on the anniversary of the date on which this process started is insensitive. I think feeling guilty about it when I had nothing to do with it is absurd but not talking about it and expecting people who are effected by it to just get over it because some nerdy guy in glasses read a prepared speech apologizing is equally absurd. It's part of our history, a complicated story that should be told, one day a year especially allocated to this would help tell it much like ANZAC day and its not all doom and gloom. Again, this is all just my opinion formed as best I can through my own life experience. And I've never suggested anyone should feel guilty.
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RHP User
9 years ago
As you know i started this thread. I don't regret the post but I do regret I allowed myself to be dragged into the negatives that followed. You are correct , I pose the question " Do you celebrate , watch the news or just don't care. ? That's where the topic should have stayed. Thanks for pointing that out , I was starting to feel like the chip the seagulls were after.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Glad your Australia Day went well. Even though you're not a bad sort . I'll still be sleeping with one eye open when you're around.
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neapolitan_guy
9 years ago
Took one out of the bucket list this oz day. First time at Swannie, first time at the beach in my birthday suit that I can remember and was truely liberating, Warnbro watch out here I come. Cheers
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MrMechanic
9 years ago
Quoting 'Luck_Dragon' Thought it was only a matter of time until someone started waffling about 'the left', the 'anti-mining crowd' etc. I'm done in here The ainti mining crowd being the ones who used Aboriginals as pawns with no concern for their future and all for political ends, real charmers they are..Fortunately Aboriginals are one step ahead and ended up using the protesters as their pawns instead to get them the best deal going.It a great story for Aboriginals and worthy of mention, often.
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Seachange
9 years ago
Very insightful, sensitive and empathetic. Very thoughtful. Bravo. I think I love you. This a very complex issue that should be discussed rather than be considered taboo as some people try to avoid here. No point being personal nor nasty but a good discussion. "I think feeling guilty about it when I had nothing to do with it is absurd but not talking about it and expecting people who are effected by it to just get over it because some nerdy guy in glasses read a prepared speech apologizing is equally absurd. It's part of our history, a complicated story that should be told, one day a year especially allocated to this would help tell it much like ANZAC day and its not all doom and gloom. " But the issue will not be solved here and there will be a lot of disagreement. However, I am like you, that I am of the opinion that an ongoing dialogue should exist between a consolidated indigenous community and the Australian government on where they want to take it in the future addressing existing issues on social, health, educational and infrastructure. Saying sorry is a reconciliatory action that will never erase the deep seated pain experienced by the Indigenous community. Considering that families were broken up and children were taken away as late as in the 1970s, it will take more than 1 or two generation to heal the wounds and help out the indigenous people to come on par with the majority of the Australian people. It is my hope we continue to work on this. No quick fix. It will take as long as it needs but we must be continuously mindful of its existence. It is not difficult to empathize with them if we can just imagine the same torture, murderous and fractious actions were carried out to my family and those before them. I do not know the answer because I do not fully grasp the problem. I wish I did. However I accept the problem exists. It would be an insult to my intelligence and sensibilities to treat this as taboo because it is part of our Australian history. This makes us Australian - white, black, brown, yellow and all colours. Discussing this is appropriate during Australia Day otherwise we lose site of what Australia Day really stands for, like the way Christmas and Easter has gone. The concept of 'out of sight, out of mind' that many, if not majority, adopted in past (and some still do) has not worked before and will never work. Australia Day for me, celebrates our existence and future as Australians in this beautiful and bountiful land and commiserates the sad even ugly history of the treatment of original settlers by the 'Invaders' . In knowing this and being mindful of the past, hopefully how we can build that bridge in the future. This I wish for my children and their children.
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TheLuckyOne
9 years ago
Thank you LD, Foxy and Summer! 😉👍
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RHP User
9 years ago
Got some work done and had a BBQ (4 in the past week).The indigenous have a right to mixed feeling on that day.I have worked in several indigenous community's and hold the highest respect for the worlds oldest culture, that can be measured in ice ages ! Spiritually we all can learn if we chose. And a culture that has no word for war.I have tried over the past 5 years to establish a national indigenous corporation for all indigenous. The political situation is beyond belief. Until Tony Abbott changed the indigenous corporation legislation there was no allocation for a national reprehensive that is not the federal government, now technically it is possible due to a change that allows for indigenous to use land rights as collateral on a national basis (none yet). Tony Abbott did this as a way to bring "Hyperloop" to Australia with the potential use to help indigenous with the "5 mode of transport"(Google Hyperloop, 1200 kmph transport system). Now our current PM is meeting with HTT (hyperloop Transportation technologies) early next month to discuss the Sydney to Melbourne route (the worlds 5th highest air traffic route) and systems for the city's as well. I hope that indigenous are not forgotten by the PM when discussing regularity requirements with HTT. A zero emissions land based transport system that will cover this land from one end to another in the coming years.There is one way to help if the pollys decide. Royalty's from Hyperloop could go to a nation indigenous corporation, and we could still travel Syd to Melb in 40 min at a ticket price of under $100 and the system will pay for its self in 8 years.Let me remind everyone that a national indigenous corporation would hold power that is the reason it was not allowed to happen.My rant over.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I should read it before posting and not drink lol.P.s. I`m still trying and won`t give up.
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RHP User
9 years ago
interesting post, why do you need to incorporate as an "Indigenous Corporation" rather than some other structure?
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RHP User
9 years ago
It wasn't celebrated when I was growing up and it seems that it is not a day to celebrate as there is so much angst surrounding its meaning. im always left feeling it's such a bad vibe day for so many reasons that I'd rather it was dumped.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'S_OnTheLoose' interesting post, why do you need to incorporate as an "Indigenous Corporation" rather than some other structure? Yes you have a good point and I have looked at that, and a charity or environmental movement are the two better options out of many (starting with shelf company). Indigenous/environmental is what I see as the best way forward starting with crowdsourcing, while many may have the skills to build a crowdsourcing site I`m still learning with limited time and resources (1/2 done). Crowdsourcing (grass roots) is the way it can work, with people behind it on a national level the wasteland that is the political system will adjust. The theory of tube transport (hyperloop) has been around for 50+ years but the big end of town (status quoi) could see it would affect many industries (global reliance on fossil fuels), crowdsourcing won in that case and now Qantas is likely to be the money that is backing (the money is there now 15-20 billion to build, in comparison to 100billion for Maglev) the Sydney to Melbourne route with government subsidy and regulations. With help from the China infrastructure investment bank that we joined last year but nobody knows why we put in big money!! Well not many know anyway, hyperloop will be direct to ports with grain and cargo. For those that have heard about the plans for high-speed trains to be placed above road infrastructure in Melbourne (currently in the news) that is Hyperloop. the pollys just wont use that word, rapid bus is what they are calling it in WA with the Roe freight link project.Yes interesting and frustrating.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Just hide..I think it's a devisive date...and just provides an excuse for false self congratulatory bullshit primed by alcohol.xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Freya70' Just hide..I think it's a devisive date...and just provides an excuse for false self congratulatory bullshit primed by alcohol.xxFreya G`day Freya well put. I got abused by 2 idiots waiting for a bus when walking down the street, pissed off there tree and whatever else. I was an arsehole for not joining in there chant one took a run at me but decided to chicken out when I stood my ground and faced him. I feel for bus driver having to put up with them. And typo`s in my last post again, the one mistake I will correct is "Asia infrastructure investment bank" Not China.Back to work now.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Seems the thread is now well and truly hijacked. Also seems all that it done was give those sitting at home not wanting to get out and enjoy our special day a chance to air their grievances. I got out , flew my flag , spent time with my family and friends and got chatting with a nice Vietnamese family. No trouble , plenty of smiles and a sense of togetherness. Just the way it should be. Next year I'll do the same , the only thing I wont do is post like this time. Freya, sorry , but your post is exactly what Im talking about. There were no self congratulatory bullshit at all. It was a coming together of the community. No drunks, just happy people doing what most happy people do. Smile and be friendly.
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RHP User
9 years ago
You asked what people thought about Australia Day. If you only want responses that fit your ideal and you're going to have a go at the others, then don't ask the question in the first place.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Cmon now , my ideal is a opinion just like all others. Don't you feel what you just had to say is right ? I didn't , but that's your opinion. You are right about one thing but. I did not expect what was meant to be a happy post turn into a slanging match.
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RHP User
9 years ago
oi, oi, oi Nothing pisses me of more than that absolute bogan call . I cringe everytime some drunken skunk starts that And that's coming from an aussie
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RHP User
9 years ago
off not of....................my bad
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RHP User
9 years ago
Fof those that dont choose to acknowledge Australia Day, betcha' like the public holiday!
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RHP User
9 years ago
For, not fof
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'willowtree_2' Fof those that dont choose to acknowledge Australia Day, betcha' like the public holiday! Doesn't mean it's not acknowledged. Hence if they simply changed the date it'd resolve the whole conflict. Some see it as a day of celebration, others to mourn what was taken from them. If they changed the day to say Jan 1st when the country became a Federation as opposed to when the whites settled it wouldn't be such a flashpoint.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Thank you for listing this thread, to hear apposing views on a topic I think is great and glad that the thread continues.In my younger days (18-28) I went 10 years straight camping by (and in) the Howqua river in Vic and hold great memories of Australia day that I will always cherish. I love this land and only consider holidays in Australia now after spending 10 years traveling around this great land (never see it all). I had not heard of the term "invasion day" until 10 years ago or less when traveling and meeting indigenous on there land. Now still many have not known indigenous concerns with this date and mentioning to friends this year I found 2 that had not hear of the term with ease! This has been an issue for indigenous for many year and I feel now we are just hear the voices more. And I hope some amicable resolution is found in time.Again thanks for this continuing thread.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'amos444' And when does it ever end ? When do we say enough is enough ? With due respect, you are relatively young in the scheme of these things . Seriously , I heard your same argument 30 years ago and have witnessed governments and others trying very hard to appease our indigenous cousins many times since. We officially said sorry for the artrosity our forebear,s committed many many years ago. How long must it take before the sorry kicks in and we all start to move forward.? Australia Day should be a day for the coming together as one nation for all Australians, white , black or brindle. Our flags fly together , and the anthem sung in both dialects. We can't change history but we can attitudes. You think Australia day should be a day for coming together as one nation for all Australians but for 30 years you have heard people tell you that they cannot celebrate that particular date because it represents the disruption for their culture and, in some cases, attempted genocide. But changing the date is an idea so ridiculous it should not even be discussed in this thread and anyone who thinks it just needs more life experience so they can understand why they are wrong. Does that accurately summarise your position on this matter amos444? As for your OP, you can put me down under watch the news
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm glad you got something out of the thread. Like you, I feel good our indigenous brothers now have a voice . Im looking forward to the day we bury the hatchet and can celebrate as one. I'm a lucky man , I've meet several high profile indigenous people , won't mention names because some bugga will say I'm name dropping. You can talk about what happened til the cows come home, but we are a smarter and more compassionate lot these days than the deadbeats of yesteryear.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'amos444' I'm glad you got something out of the thread. Like you, I feel good our indigenous brothers now have a voice . Im looking forward to the day we bury the hatchet and can celebrate as one. I'm a lucky man , I've meet several high profile indigenous people , won't mention names because some bugga will say I'm name dropping. You can talk about what happened til the cows come home, but we are a smarter and more compassionate lot these days than the deadbeats of yesteryear. So why not change the date so the ghosts of the "deadbeats of yesteryear" aren't part of the celebration. In all honesty I don't think too many white people would be overly fussed if they changed the date so long as it was still in summer and they still got a public holiday. Just my opinion, but I know none of my friends hold any special affinity towards the actual date as such more the actual celebration of being Australian.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'amos444' I'm glad you got something out of the thread. Like you, I feel good our indigenous brothers now have a voice . Im looking forward to the day we bury the hatchet and can celebrate as one. I'm a lucky man , I've meet several high profile indigenous people , won't mention names because some bugga will say I'm name dropping. You can talk about what happened til the cows come home, but we are a smarter and more compassionate lot these days than the deadbeats of yesteryear. I always welcome differing views with the aim of seeing both sides. However to speak bad of the dead I disagree with.Given that public compassion for indigenous is growing, I feel that the issue will also grow. What do you see as the best way to find an amicable resolution ?
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RHP User
9 years ago
we love Australia day we got got married on this special day , and then mixed up all night swung and still in love love !!
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RHP User
9 years ago
A amicable resolution that I agree with is that we drop the queens b/day holiday (gone anyway).Then swap the Australia day holiday to the closest Tuesday. (as it was before)Then an indigenous nation day (or some name) on the Monday to replace the queens b/day holiday. I understand that would force indigenous to celebrate 1 in 7 years on the 26th, so even the weekend prior to keep the time in school holidays still. Thoughts ?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Your summary not mine. Your post goes to show we still have a long long way to go. I'm not about to go on a tit for tat about who has the greater knowledge of our history. It's now up to all of us to find a solution , not thump our chest . Like this thread , it's time to move on.
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RHP User
9 years ago
That's a toughie. If it was that easy we would have already moved on. I don't have the answers , but if we don't keep on trying we will never move forward .
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RHP User
9 years ago
I have no problem with Aussie day but I do avoid the drunken Jingoism as much as possible.But I'll tell you what, a lot more has to change besides the date before we can call it a national day of inclusiveness, I look forward to that day but I doubt I will ever see it in my lifetime.
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RHP User
9 years ago
suit.
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happysub
9 years ago
basically australia day is a day for white people to keep their head in the sand about the invasion and genocide of Aborigineslived in australia for 20 years and on that day I used to see nothing but rednecks out doing their thing, making vile comments to anyone who did not appear "australian" predominantly a white celebration dayall my Aboriginal friends spend their day in mourning and grief, others celebrate survival dayno treaty yet ffs
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Summer_solstice' Australia Day was great! Spent a good part of it on Swanny beach, with some lovely play and later one of the hottest sessions ever!! Totally apolitical eventing, makes everyone happy happy ??? Well not everyone, maybe, just cant please some people
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'happysub' basically australia day is a day for white people to keep their head in the sand about the invasion and genocide of Aborigineslived in australia for 20 years and on that day I used to see nothing but rednecks out doing their thing, making vile comments to anyone who did not appear "australian" predominantly a white celebration dayall my Aboriginal friends spend their day in mourning and grief, others celebrate survival dayno treaty yet ffs Head in the sand I agree with. Would that give the lips a salty flavour ?
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