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Caitlyn Jenner (pka Bruce Jenner)
June 04 2015
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
He had better tits than she does :-) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
But I think she is looking amazing and so happy for her 😊 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
The sad thing about the whole Jenner story is that it's even a story. Some parts of society are still in the dark ages. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Has obviously tainted the story a little, but I think Caitlyn should be held as an example. Not necessarily of moral standing, but of the social bravery that so many LGBT folks need to survive and thrive! I'm not a fan of labels, and to be honest, I'm quite naive when it comes to understanding the difficulties experienced daily by the Trans community. But I consider myself to be tolerant, accepting and open to accepting all knees of the community regards of their gender identity ( or sexuality or race or religion etc etc). Whilst I care not for the reality TV world of Bruce Jenner, I totally welcome Ms Caitlyn Jenner to the world and hope that others in shoes (not the expensive designer ones) can take something from the way she has transformed. Be brave Come out Be you MrM :) - Posted from rhpmobile
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Seachange
10 years ago
I can onlyy stand in the sidelines and admire the move Caitlin has made. It is a big risk for her to take on such a move as she has definitely been ensconced in the uber heights of fame and fortune.. Life for her had been under the public microscope for the last 40 years and now people will view her with renewed interest. I admire her guts and hope that people would accept her new found happiness , as she has.m Even give her time and space to settle in, not hound her too much. I dont know what the future hold for her but I heard over the waves that she has confirmed that she will have her own 'reality' show. Well, I have my own opinion of that but she is a grown smart woman so maybe she has something to share with us. but I am not a fan of reality shows. If more people like her come up front and tackle the taboo subjects of our generation, and we all get more understanding of what the other side goes thru and accepting of these 'changes', we are all better off as we all wish happiness for our brothers and sisters. The world would be a better place, Oh, and kudos to her for not spelling her name with a 'K'.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I have a lot of respect for her. To go through that, at the age of 65 under the public eye is really brave. Kudos
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RHP User
10 years ago
Did not know this until I saw the post yesterday. I am not surprised as quite some time ago I saw some photos that must have been during transformation as I thought wow this dude looks rather peculiar. Lovely photo shoot but as you said in your post yesterday stardom and money can do amazing things the average just cannot achieve. It has not changed my opinion in any way as I have always admired the transgender population for what they have chosen and have always had an open mind since childhood (thank you to my upbringing). The one thing that does bug me slightly is portrayal of the famous on the average Joe/Josephine with expectations that cost so very much. A bit like how many famous people supposedly give to charities when there are those in the real world give so much more when equating salaries and lifestyles with no accolades whatsoever. I just hope Ms Jenner has a positive affect on others who are struggling with identity. Looking forward to reading the posts from those with experience in this lifestyle
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RHP User
10 years ago
I hope she finally feels like herself. Hopefully as a result of her public journey others born in the wrong body will feel less alone and a little safer showing others who they are. I must add though that I'm appalled at the media from in the past celebrating her athletic achievements to then making complete fun of her for years (both for being a lap dog on the Kardashians, then for transitioning), and now praising her again while only being able to talk about her body and make-up. I think she is a strong and very brave human for surviving all the hurt, hate and ugliness and coming out the other end.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I dont follow the kardashian/jennar media circus and reality shows. But Im assuming he had solid family support before, and she now has solid family support now. That would make a huge difference. Being alone would be scarey.
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RHP User
10 years ago
But the publicity and media circus that has been created around this is completely ridiculous. People seem more fascinated at peering into other people's lives than real news.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Gosh she looked beautiful on the cover! I applaud her strength! It was a huge thing for her to do for so many reasons! I'm glad she has the support of her daughters too! I liked him as Bruce, I like her as Caitlyn! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
It's really wacky to me but I hope IT (thing) is happy 😃 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Does anyone not remember the tennis player Billy Jean King? Good on Ms Jenner but quite frankly I am over it. PS she still looks like a man. Pusscat xxx
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RHP User
10 years ago
of a famous transgender that has transitioned from female to male. My family member is very brave and struggling with acceptance. He has certainly changed in appearance and is starting to look very masculine with broader shoulders, facial hair and a much increased appetite to boost the bulking up process. While I commend Caitlyn for her very public transition and putting up with the cruel media I would love to know if there are any female to male transgenders that are famous and could be a role model. He has set up a website as a way of funding the transition process. Its lovely to read the supportive comments that people have made with their donations. LG
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RHP User
10 years ago
Cher and sonny bono's daughter chastity was born female and is now a man in all aspects. Thats the only famous person I can think of. There was a fair bit of media, and of course, Oprah got the interview
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'willowtree_2' Cher and sonny bono's daughter chastity was born female and is now a man in all aspects. Thats the only famous person I can think of. There was a fair bit of media, and of course, Oprah got the interview Thank you I will do some googling LG
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RHP User
10 years ago
Annie darling, thanks for posting. I can see that you wanted to start a conversation about trans* (hopefully with some trans* people) and with all the members of RHP but as you can already see in the comments made by people referring to her as 'it' and discussing how 'she still looks like a man' there's still a long way to go before we can have an educated and open discussion about trans* people that doesn't objectify them. Great to see some positive and well thought out contributions from people but in my experience at least, society (RHP being no different) continues to to be a place where a lot of trans* people are constantly degraded for being their true representation of self. - Posted from rhpmobile
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
Can i suggest we dont react. It would serve little purpose at this stage. Im happy to ignore.
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
Sorry KK. You posted whilst i was writing.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Not advisable ;) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
You know me, stickler for it. But you also know that I've recently felt very jaded about how this conversation manifests itself on RHP and how some here obviously have a very clear transphobic ageda. - Posted from rhpmobile
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
Not sure what i was thinking when i put it up. Must have had my technicolor dreamcoat on at the time.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' He had better tits than she does :-) Quoting 'woody_pusscat'PS she still looks like a man. Pusscat xxx You should both know better.
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ruby_blossum
10 years ago
Ofcourse I did not know Bruce personally & I dont know Caitlyn personallybut I do know that I admire her and anyone who finds the courage and resolve to be their true self. I am sure it is a difficult journey for anyone, at anytime, let alone being in front of the world media, such a private time made internationally public. Kudos to Caitlyn for carrying it off with such aplomb. I Sincerely hope it encourages many other transgender men & women to feel more comfortable and accepted as they move along their own path of transition.
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' You should both know better. Better than......? Are you really that sensitive on someone else's behalf... who you don't know? Pretty clear that Caitlyn is ok with it. .... or she wouldn't have done it.
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Seachange
10 years ago
It saddens me when I see those comments made. Although inexcusable I believe they are borne out of lack of empathy with people who have to go through insurmountable trauma snd hurt of being different from the 'norms' of society. Sometimes these comments are made in jest or sense of fear of the new dawn of changes in their back yard. Like trying to stop the tide of change with a couple of sandbags. It takes a while for people to accept these massive changes that pushes their boundaries of comfort. I could relate as not long ago, growing up in country Victoria, my siblings and I have to put up with blatant racism. There's no hiding from it as we can not change skin colours as some people can hide behind clothes or haircut. It hurt and leaves irretrievably painful feeling of being marginalized because we were born different. My mother just made us think that the problem lies in them to cope with the new order if things as we are gonna be here for a long time and in their faces. In time, the next gen will be mire evolved and accepting. Slowly. Racism still exists but there is a slow change of guards. My kids are having it easier. I hope the attitude change will also apply to trans gender or other minority groups who Just want to be accepted as part of society. I hope this will happen in my time. The next generation holds the key. Their capacity to accept gives me Hope for the future of humanity. I see it in my kids and their peers. Let's work on educating people with undstanding our plight. Yiu have so many supporters. Wish you the best.
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Lovinit28andKC72
10 years ago
I hope she is now happy within herself, she looks amazing.... My ex sister-in-law, is going through the transition now, she had her breasts removed 6weeks ago and will have the gender reassignment done sometime this year, with the support of his family and friends....💋 At the end of the day it's about being happy, within yourself, with your life, so it makes perfect sense to me to do what makes you happy...💋
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RHP User
10 years ago
I was referring to you calling her a he.
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teachme383
10 years ago
I am very happy for her, and wish her all the best. I think the more trans people in the media, the better, as the issue will be talked about, and hopefully some people's ignorance will be changed. I just wish I had her courage, and was able to transition myself.
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Chillihoney
10 years ago
Keeping up with the Kardashians has never been more interesting ;)Good on her... she looks fab and appears to be so much happier.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Who went through a transition over twenty years ago.Like Caitlyn she occupied a very male roles ,in the NZArmy for years ,married with children..unfortunately she was shunned by all her family and friends but now lives happily with another woman and has done for the last five years...I hope Caitlyn's example and her celebrity changes the mainstream perception of transgender people so that their experiences are ordinary not extraordinary xxFreya
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RHP User
10 years ago
Laverne Cox happens to be transgender and was recently nominated for an Emmy. She's in the series " orange is the new black". A respected actress/producer... for her work. Irrelevant of her life choice. As it should be.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I am just about to read WHO magazine to get caught up, but I thought she had the whole operation Annie? I also don't see anything wrong with saying she looks like a man. Many women look like men and many men look like women. It isn't a polite thing to say I agree but I don't think we should all over react to it. Yep just waiting for it..... I found it interesting that they have clearly air brushed all her wrinkles out and that they have put a 65 year old woman who is half starkers on a cover of a magazine. Has that happened before? It is a first I think.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I heard a radio snippet of Caitlyn entering into the world as a woman for the first time. I think she was driving out of her house with one of the daughters, probably part the new reality show. She is discussing how she suddenly realises all the attention women get and all the negative comments about appearance and the pressure to always look good, etc. Interesting! Welcome Caitlyn!
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' I also don't see anything wrong with saying she looks like a man. Many women look like men and many men look like women. It isn't a polite thing to say I agree but I don't think we should all over react to it. Yep just waiting for it..... I found it interesting that they have clearly air brushed all her wrinkles out and that they have put a 65 year old woman who is half starkers on a cover of a magazine. Has that happened before? It is a first I think. But adding she looks like a man as a "p.s." to a post is just not a nice thing to do in my opinion, let alone adding anything. Caitlyn is the oldest woman that has been on the cover alone*, but Vanity Fair has also had Martha Stewart (then 63), Audrey Hepburn (62) and Cher (64), among several other women over the age of 60. I think they were all wearing a bit more, but I doubt they were any less photoshopped. * They had Ronald and Nancy together who were both in their seventies.
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
No gender surgery. And personally i think she looks more womanly than a lot of women Im just hoping they haven't photoshopped her as well as the hollywood makeup artistry to give an unrealistic representation to those that may be considering their own transition. That's the only reservation about the situation that i have. It shouldnt be about the cost in dollars but like most things, it is.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' He had better tits than she does :-) Quoting 'woody_pusscat'PS she still looks like a man. Pusscat xxx You should both know better. Excuse me - I am am entitled to my own opinion and don't need telling off!!! You sound like a school teacher.Not amused.Pusscat
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RHP User
10 years ago
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RHP User
10 years ago
Here's how The Independent summarised it online: "on Stewart has lambasted the innumerable comments made about Caitlyn Jenner’s physical appearance after she revealed her transitioned female self on the cover of Vanity Fair. There has been much discussion about Jenner’s physical appearance in photographs captured by Annie Leibovitz that show the Olympic Gold medallist posing on a stool in a corset. Many commentators “wasted no time in treating her as a woman”, according to Jon Stewart. The Daily Show host illustrated his point with a number of clips showing broadcasters describing Jenner variously as “sexy”, “stunning” and “hot”. "Caitlyn, when you were a man, we could talk about your athleticism, your business acumen," Stewart said. "But now you're a woman, which means your looks are really the only thing we care about. Which brings us to phase two of your transition: your 'comparative f**kability.'" His concept of comparative f**kability was demonstrated in clips highlighting the comparisons made between Jenner and the actress Jessica Lange and questions posed over whether Jenner “was hotter than [her ex-wife] Kris” and if she had a “better body” than her step-daughter Kim Kardashian. "Look, we want to give a woman a compliment here," Stewart continued. "We just need to make sure another woman gets taken down a peg in the process.” Finally, Stewart underlined the ultimate caveat for being treated as a woman in the media - ageism - with a quote from one broadcaster who noted that Jenner was “looking good – especially for her age”. Personally I thought the points Jon made were fantastic.
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RHP User
10 years ago
They photoshop everything these days though. No women are really portrayed as they are really.
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RHP User
10 years ago
its the beginning of a wonderful new era. Well done to her for the bravery. This day will be remembered. This is what change looks like. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
You're not entitled to an opinion if it's just pure ignorance.
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RHP User
10 years ago
who is she again?? I realise she/he used to be a different gender... But prior to the unveiling of her....erm...in chassis rebuild?? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Bruce Jenner? Google is your friend. ;-)
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
The raising of the issue of her transformation this week has brought an array of emotion back to me. I'm sure it has also to people that are struggling with their own gender indentity situation. I'm not going into the past reasons and events but i will say that i did go down that path as a teenager and lived as a female for 4 years before i was forced to abandon that ideal. Now nearly 40 years on, the high profile case of Caitlyn has once again raised the "what ifs" within. I've become comfortable and perhaps resigned to my situation. Compromised one could say. I look at Caitlyn and dream a little, perhaps a lot. My heart goes out to others that may think the same. I am glad i did try. They were hard years in the 70s. But it gave me a sense of achievement that i had the courage to give it a go. And they were some of the best years of my life. But for the moment and in my situation I'm done. I havnt got it in me to go again. But i look at Caitlyn and the wealth she has behind her to make her transition that bit easier. And im not saying it's easy for her, in fact the public focus would bring so many negatives into equation. But i do ponder the thought that if i had the financial capabilities that she has, whether my utimate view and goals would change. Its not right i know. Its sad in its own right but it is a fact. Not just for me but so many others. It just raises my level of respect for those that do decide to travel the journey of transition to achieve and fight for what you should have been born with. But thats life and the eternal fixation with money. Everyone could be different with sufficient quantities of it. Well enough rambling, I'm off to the shop for the lotto ticket...... never know.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I believe it has been a very brave and very well planned and marketed outing. For years the tabloids have been full of ridicule and innuendo, publishing photo's and articles insinuating that Bruce was living a double life and wanted to be a woman. Most of these were negative towards Bruce, the poor wife & kids, disbelief that a former athlete would feel this way, how could he? etc, etc Imagine being the focus of these constant publicised taunts and second guesses whilst dealing with your own needs to express yourself as the person you feel you are. I think in many ways her life up until this point would've be harder. But..... She is not dumb and has been able to use the connections and access the best surgeons, advisors, stylists, make up artists etc. She (or her marketing team) has gained the support of one of the worlds most respected publications plus a few sympathetic interviews (I'm surprised Oprah didn't come out for this) to enable her to come out in a positive light. The media has been well used and it knows how to manipulate people to either accept or reject. I'll say it again, this has been a very well thought out and planned. Everyone is coming out of the woodwork to say how beautiful she is, how brave, how we should be more accepting and anyone that now says anything other than that is quickly slain for the dragons that they obviously are. The marketing team did their job very well. Sadly this a not a reality for most people who feel they don't live in the right body and I can understand why there hasn't been much response from our transgender community within RHP. From what I have seen, most (please excuse my generalisation) live a life full of ridicule, sideways stares, semi-acceptance, fascination and many other things that many of us will never know or understand. Then along comes Caitlyn and the world suddenly accepts and puts her on a pedal stool. How long will this last? What will it mean? Will it really change things or just make it fashionable for a while? I would be wary too.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I believe it has been a very brave and very well planned and marketed outing. For years the tabloids have been full of ridicule and innuendo, publishing photo's and articles insinuating that Bruce was living a double life and wanted to be a woman. Most of these were negative towards Bruce, the poor wife & kids, disbelief that a former athlete would feel this way, how could he? etc, etc Imagine being the focus of these constant publicised taunts and second guesses whilst dealing with your own needs to express yourself as the person you feel you are. I think in many ways her life up until this point would've be harder. But..... She is not dumb and has been able to use the connections and access the best surgeons, advisors, stylists, make up artists etc. She (or her marketing team) has gained the support of one of the worlds most respected publications plus a few sympathetic interviews (I'm surprised Oprah didn't come out for this) to enable her to come out in a positive light. The media has been well used and it knows how to manipulate people to either accept or reject. I'll say it again, this has been a very well thought out and planned. Everyone is coming out of the woodwork to say how beautiful she is, how brave, how we should be more accepting and anyone that now says anything other than that is quickly slain for the dragons that they obviously are. The marketing team did their job very well. Sadly this a not a reality for most people who feel they don't live in the right body and I can understand why there hasn't been much response from our transgender community within RHP. From what I have seen, most (please excuse my generalisation) live a life full of ridicule, sideways stares, semi-acceptance, fascination and many other things that many of us will never know or understand. Then along comes Caitlyn and the world suddenly accepts and puts her on a pedal stool. How long will this last? What will it mean? Will it really change things or just make it fashionable for a while? I would be wary too.
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RHP User
10 years ago
rocknminx , you have hit the nail on the head . I have never been a fan of the Kardashian booty in your face family (sell your soul to the media ) or any of their carry-on .I feel glamourising the transition to Caitlyn projects an unrealistic image of what struggles transgender people face . The drugs and hormones are expensive and most have to resort to prostitution to finance .Like any cross section of society , I have met good and bad , but the good , beautiful souls have far outweighed the bad and indeed some were very beautiful women indeed . However , the more people that transition publicly , the more acceptance society gives , so I do see the need for publicity .Strength to the LBT community .
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RHP User
10 years ago
Can I ask what may be a very dumb question? But from someone who has never had to struggle with identity, so I cant imagine what it's like. Ok question..Transpeople, If you know who you are and what gender you are in your mind, is it that important on the outward physical appearance you show society? How important is being accepted for how a transperson looks physically? Are you not the same person weather you are in fem clothes and makeup as when you are in your daggy tracky dacks and no make up ( im the same in either) If you have a female mind,isnt that the most important part? outward appearance is just the society expectation of gender identity.Do you get where Im coming from?
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RHP User
10 years ago
But you feel trapped in the wrong body and that is torture. The fact you can't dress the way you like, etc. Men and women are treated differently too. Although I snoild leave this question up to the experts.....
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RHP User
10 years ago
I read in a mag today that the day the did the photos for Vanity Fair every time somebody called her Caitlin years would well up in her eyes. As she said.... Now I am free.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Sorry. Tears not years.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Theres so many levels, the mind is only a small part I suppose. Its hard to imagine what it would be like. One person I know who lives near me,chose to sacrifice a marriage and young family in return for the freedom of " coming out" and living as a female full time. She has had the boob job yrs ago,and is a very attractive and vibrant lady. But heres where there are different levels as well.Sexual orientation isnt cut and dry with each person who is transexual. She is only attracted to women and functions ( if thats the right word) happily with male anatomy.Has sexual relationships only with women.She is not attracted to men. So thats the other side of it as well. Just because someone is transgender, doesnt mean they are pidgeon holed into one sexual basket. Some T-females might be attracted to men, some to women, and some to both.just like any other person. There are just so many layers to it all that Ive never really thought about.
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neapolitan_guy
10 years ago
This is a increadable journey for Caitlyn, family and friends as with all on such a journey. Acceptance, understanding and support have many and varied forms, trans is clearly another. The only living 'thing' and 'it' were on tv shows at the very least there is a need to remember the conversation is about a person. I completely agree with all the supportive comments, that's what l wanted to say. I am interested in how the media goes with this considering Caitlyn is a media player, and over time as her story and journey unfolds we could get a pioneering discussion to the mainstream. Trans is a mystery to me, l don't know any transgender or transsexual people by circumstance not choice. Before we logged on to get informed and form opinion we had radio, Depeche Mode sang"People are People" which planted the seed of understanding for me and Triple J particularly Angela Catterns grew that seed, people today only seem in the mainstream to be connected to their phones hence l'm interested where this goes with the media, is this a opportunity in this new age to transform the topic transgender, perhaps like Pricilla did with the mainstream media back in the day. Also l support Any_Whichway in asking fellow trans people to feel comfortable to contribute here l'm sure the journey has been and is tricky for all. Cheers
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swifttall
10 years ago
Is his/her life really that interesting and absorbing that we should be beaten to death with it??
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RHP User
10 years ago
Firstly I'd like to say I thought the photos of Caitlyn were beautiful having photographer Annie Leibovitz looking through the lens well to me the result speaks for iitself ....Now I have to confess I did watch some episodes of well oh no...Keeping Up With...well you know.... anyhow I recall an episode where there was something about one of the girls who either found or saw something, at the time I believe they may have seen either clothing that wasn't their mums or they may have gotten a glympse of Caitlyn, that must have causeda lot of stress for her so I wasn't surprised by what what started to appear in the media prior to her transitioning.I'm so glad that her journey has finally brought to where she needs to be....free.... Love Esther's response just beautiful a loving and proud mum.....
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RHP User
10 years ago
Love this......found this on a tumblr site Bay Area American Indian Two-Spirits Powwow (San Francisco) 2015 By Corinne Oestreich on February 11, 2015 Saturday February 7th 2015 was the 4th Annual Bay Area American Indian Two-Spirits powwow in San Francisco. To understand the context of this powwow, one needs to have an understanding of the Indigenous cultural acceptance of an American Indian who is “Two Spirited. ” In over 130 North American tribes, those who are labeled as ‘Two-spirits” are said to have been born with both a male and female spirit, two spirits occupying one body. There can be male-bodied two spirits and female bodied two spirits. In American Indian culture, Two-Spirits were not shunned or demeaned and thought of as “sick” as in the majority of White or European culture, but were instead cast in roles thought to accentuate their gifts such as “Shaman, Conveyers of Stories and Song, Foretellers of Future, Matchmakers, special role-players in Sun Dance.” Two-Spirits were revered, placed in roles within the community that honored their differences as opposed to diminishing them. It was not uncommon for Male-bodied Two-Spirits to dress in Female regalia, or to participate in female dominated roles within the community such as cooking as well as being able to participate in Male activities such as male-only sweat lodge ceremonies. read more with pics...POWWOWS.com
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
I totally relate to that. Thankyou for posting it
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
Cant quote your question on the phone but is on this page. The more i read the question, the deeper it becomes. Probably not for me to answer as i fall outside the TS/TG definition now. Guess i fall halfway between that and cd/TV. Labels. And having male and female personalities But i can touch on how i feel. I could write a paper on it but i need to be short and concise. But the subject does not lend itself to be concise. So i offer this instead. It relates to society and the way it conditions our mind/s. If we were in caveman times when there was no gender specific clothing, there would only be our behaviour and responses to define our roles. Ie, the male who felt he was wrongly gendered would want to stay with the women and children to participate in those roles and not want to hunt. And that applies today but we have developed the gender appearance of clothing and makeup and presentation. So we have the need to adopt as much as we can to satisfy our mental needs to be the image of what we feel we are. Your example of the tracky daks? Yes i do the tracky daks thing. But they will be female ones. Not much difference but enougb to make a mental satisfaction tick. And i will have womens undies beneath. Because i know i have them on. Its a mind thing. Caused by society. Hope that comes across ok.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Yep,I get it. But bottom line is,you still know who you are even if you are starkers hey? The rest is just a natural extension. Ok heres something else ...I was thinking of the pressures that society put on trans feeling accepted. So, most average mr and mrs joe's down at the local rsl, will watch and enjoy a drag show.Le girls in kings cross was a great night out with the wife or husband for many years.Carlotta is still doing the shows in clubs around the country.And look at how popular Pricilla queen of the desert was!! So my question is... Do you think some( not generalising here)transgender women have been conditioned (by the average joe's acceptance) to be a bit extreme with their physical appearance in public. Eg over the top big hair and makeup to accentuate and magnify the feminine traits they are projecting.So that they feel more at ease in public? Not talking about you Annie. I havent met you, so Im just going on my experience of ladies Ive seen out and about in my local area.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Tracky dacks are so much more comfortable worn with no knickers. 😁
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team_Pringle
10 years ago
Not the first ... Not the last - Posted from rhpmobile
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
Willow. Generalising myself, the Ts/TG's i have known have always tried to blend in as much as they can by being like the general gender they relate to. They do not want unwanted attention. But on the other hand i would probably think those that you have seen are crossdressers that get sexual satisfaction by being noticed by as many people as possible. Sfand out in the crowd- look at me, look at me. I am generalising and dont wish to offend anyone that falks outside what i have said. I am not the wikipeadia on the subject but doesnt seem anyone wants to chime jn with their thoughts.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Im mixing up all the different types of trans by the looks of it. Cheers annie
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RHP User
10 years ago
I understand why the trans community on here are not interested in posting Annie with some of the comments, makes me sad that everyone thinks it is their right to pass judgement on how others choose to live. Everyone deserves to be treated the same and I do this with everyone. Interesting that this has been in the news, I had a very forthright conversation with my Caitlyn (daughter) after going through the Maccas drive thru. For years there has been a young guy working in there, we hadn't seen him for a while and then one day he served us in the drive through and he has transitioned, OMG so bloody brave in our not very big town, my little girl says to me, oh mummy isn't she pretty!! Which she was, I asked if she remember when she last served us and she said yes he was a man, but he makes a much prettier lady. Why can't we all be as honest and caring as kids are, no boundaries. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Single_Guy4U
10 years ago
I don't know why people should care so much. Perhaps that is part of the reason for so much negative attention. I believe everyone has the right to be who they are (unless it hurts someone else), whether that be a man, woman, trans, gay, red, black, blue, who cares. I don't believe a persons situation, be it belief, religion, race, gender, sexual preference should be flouted all over the media for everyone to see and hear. I don't care what Mr Smith, Ms Smith, Mrs Smith, or Bi Smith does in their bedroom or private life. I have no problem accepting them for who they are but do not want to know about their private lives. (And that goes the same with straight Mr & Mrs Smith. I don't want to know want to know their personal issues). If I had met Caitlyn Jenny previously without knowing I would most likely have just talked and / or treated her as another person, as long as she was happy. However, now I am feeling negative about the entire thing, as I don't need to be bombarded with anyone's personal lifes.
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
Thats fine. But i applaud you for your acceptance and thats part of what this is about. You have made a small difference by not caring. If everyone didnt care, then no problem will exist. Do you see that? Thankyou for sharing that.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I hear Kim has the shits because Caitlyn's unveiling came a day after her pregnancy announcement and overshadowed her news. Awww. Rumour goes the family asked C to wait so that Kim's pregnancy could be front page news for awhile. Bizarre people if you can believe that.
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RHP User
10 years ago
It's called awareness and helping people to understand they are not alone. It's called controlling the media instead of The media controlling the story. Sheesh. Let's get bombarded by boring as fuck football and top news items on which footy player has a sore toe and can't play on Friday nights game. :-/
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RHP User
10 years ago
Leo_Girl, Annette Benning and Warren Beatty's oldest daughter is transitioning to male. (And has been involved in media campaigns around healthcare etc and so is open about the transition) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
"Rumour goes the family asked C to wait so that Kim's pregnancy could be front page news for awhile. Bizarre people if you can believe that." I think the bizarre people are the ones that believe rumours without knowing any of the actual facts. Just saying. ;-)
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RHP User
10 years ago
For what the motivation is,if it raises people's awareness,if it is encouraging for others,and if it normalises difference,...sometimes that is why the sensational needs to happen..to raise people's consciousness ...and it probably won't be long until the first footy player announces they are transitioning encouraged by Caitlyn xxFreya
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RHP User
10 years ago
Don't understand why this is such a big story. The person in question has made their choice, they are happy with it, good for them, move along please. Only the individual can decide what is right for them. The rest of us should stay out of it (unless specifically asked for advice in the decision making process).
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Single_Guy4U
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' It's called awareness and helping people to understand they are not alone. It's called controlling the media instead of The media controlling the story. Sheesh. Let's get bombarded by boring as fuck football and top news items on which footy player has a sore toe and can't play on Friday nights game. :-/ Meeka. I agree she is most likely controlling the media, ...... unfortunately for financial gain. Any_Whichway. I do actually care. However, if I needed or wanted to get a penis operation, or for that matter any operation of a personal nature, I would not want the world to know about it, and certainly would not want every Tom, Dick, and Harry discussing my personal choices on social media without my permission (which I would not give). It is not that I don't care, it is that it is none of my business interfering or commenting on someone else's personal choices. (If it was me I would just do it for my own person happiness & freedom, & who cares what anyone else thinks), That is all I am probably poorly attempting to say
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Single_Guy4U
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' It's called awareness and helping people to understand they are not alone. It's called controlling the media instead of The media controlling the story. Sheesh. Let's get bombarded by boring as fuck football and top news items on which footy player has a sore toe and can't play on Friday nights game. :-/ Meeka. I agree she is most likely controlling the media, ...... unfortunately for financial gain. Any_Whichway. I do actually care. However, if I needed or wanted to get a penis operation, or for that matter any operation of a personal nature, I would not want the world to know about it, and certainly would not want every Tom, Dick, and Harry discussing my personal choices on social media without my permission (which I would not give). It is not that I don't care, it is that it is none of my business interfering or commenting on someone else's personal choices. (If it was me I would just do it for my own person happiness & freedom, & who cares what anyone else thinks), That is all I am probably poorly attempting to say
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Single_Guy4U'Any_Whichway. I do actually care. However, if I needed or wanted to get a penis operation, or for that matter any operation of a personal nature, I would not want the world to know about it, and certainly would not want every Tom, Dick, and Harry discussing my personal choices on social media without my permission (which I would not give). What if you had no choice? What if you were already world famous and keeping people out of your private life was no option, because they had already been all over it for decades?
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
Price she paid/pays for being in the media. But the positives outweigh that by financing the best of surgeons and therefore the outcome. And the high profile can help acceptance and others in a gender dilemma.
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Single_Guy4U
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Quoting 'Single_Guy4U'Any_Whichway. I do actually care. However, if I needed or wanted to get a penis operation, or for that matter any operation of a personal nature, I would not want the world to know about it, and certainly would not want every Tom, Dick, and Harry discussing my personal choices on social media without my permission (which I would not give). What if you had no choice? What if you were already world famous and keeping people out of your private life was no option, because they had already been all over it for decades? You always have a choice...... (I remember hearing about him when he won the gold, have not heard anything about him since ??? (and it was him at the time), until now, when she has decided to make the change, and good on her, just don't believe it needs to be so public, and don't believe every man & his dog needs to comment on it.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Bruce Jenner was the step father to the Kardashian Circus so he had been in the media for years, although I remember watching years ago and I don't think he really wanted to be in that show but I think Kris always wore the pants and ruled the roost! - Posted from rhpmobile
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
You ARE commenting on it.........Doh!!!!
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Single_Guy4U
10 years ago
Quoting 'Any_Whichway' You ARE commenting on it.........Doh!!!! I was presenting my personal opinion that I believe it is way over the top. But I see your point. Appears to be a bit of a catch 22, by commenting on something you believe should not be made a big deal about, I am commenting. (I was though commenting on the comments and discussions, and not judging or commenting on her personal choice, as it is her choice and I don't believe it should not be for public discussion)
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AnnieWhichway
10 years ago
I do get your point. Just tongue in cheek! Xx
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RHP User
10 years ago
for opening dialogue and awareness of and for trans people. But how much of the attention is about the novelty of the Kardashian family "sideshow" more than the broader reality of people undergoing or even just dealing with gender identity issues? A huge deal regardless, but how do trans people without the financial support of Caitlyn succeed through the experience? AND live and share and enjoy and experience the usual ups and downs of life in society as everyone else does when you don't have an ivory tower to escape to? But it's brought the subject to broader attention and provides a good grounding for some great things to happen and hopefully empower more trans people. However they wish to be! More needs to be mentioned about Cate Macdonald and others doing good things without the distraction of celebrity. It's not all about glamour! The once transphobic early feminists are beginning to incorporate trans people into arguments of equality and society. Which I think is also very good. Nice to see this post in the main forum too, instead of buried at the bottom of the page. Nice one Any
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RHP User
10 years ago
Cate Mcgregor is who I meant.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I respect her for doing the thing she has always wanted to do, but really.. do we need to know about it.. why couldnt she just have done it and gotten on with her life.. why did she need to let us all know .. I have absolutly no problem with her changing herself. She should be proud of all her changes.. so please dont think Im being horrid.. I just dont see why she needed to inform the world..
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'girliegirlie50'I just dont see why she needed to inform the world.. She was already world famous, so what choice did she have? The second she was seen wearing nail polish, or there was talk of her reducing her Adam's apple, the media was all over her. Even when she still Bruce, everything she did to change her appearance was all over TV, so how could she possible have kept this quiet?
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RHP User
10 years ago
It's probably because the men don't look at women's magazine so they aren't aware that speculation about Bruce transitioning has been going on for a few years now I think. Bruce was followed around and shots taken of him going about his daily business without his permission.
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RHP User
10 years ago
people like jenna make the world a more interesting place. I think she looks far better than what Bruce did and seems like a much more interesting person. I hope she finds love and happiness and joy. Thank you for lighting up our world with your bravery and difference. - Posted from rhpmobile
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