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Double standards?
June 13 2016
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RHP User
9 years ago
yes it's a double standard and yes it is pretty standard that people generally think nothing of that double standard.
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RHP User
9 years ago
obviously acceptable...I have seen it in clubs.. (Back when I WENT to them)and I actually was ALSO thrown out of a club in Galway Ireland a few years ago..Same thing.. the dancing girl promos got on stage.. and a two fellas ]tried to join them.The bouncers fckn brutalized them both.. and literally dragged them by the hair only half conscious out of the premises.When thy dancing Guy Promos came on.. maybe 8 girls got up on stage...NO action from the Bouncers..Me being me.. walked up to them and said..."You gunna flog them and drag them out fellas??"YEP.. you got it... "I ended up in a strangle and was dragged out by three of them...All I can say is..."No fckn Wonder fellas go home and get guns and come back to shoot the fckrs dead"And Australia says..."Those fckn drunken men who cannot control themselves should be locked up forever..."Just saying kiddos...AND, I wasn't drinking in Ireland either. - just made the comment...
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RHP User
9 years ago
Any unwanted behaviour during the night by any men got a stern no from me or my friends! As a performer, he had no recourse with these women! These women didn't have anyone looking after them either, they needed to be told that their behaviour was not ok! I didn't feel I could say anything to them, I didn't know these women, but the organisers should have :( Mary xx
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social_suicide
9 years ago
......."If you were there and witnessed it, what would you say to these women?"........I wouldn't say a thing as it could possibly end up in a verbal fight as alcohol is obviously involved. Their actions were on public display and I'm sure everyone was as disappointed as you were with their anti-social behavior. .
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Mischeviouslad
9 years ago
Happens to me ALL the time..... Sometimes I barely make it out of the cereal aisle at Coles without a few lost buttons, claw marks, disheveled hair and scribbled in phone numbers. I'm not just a giant sausage with feet.... I have feelings too. Sometimes, I just want to buy cereal. 😎 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Those chicks were Assholes, no other way to put it. Even I would never do that. There's always a line you don't cross. What they did was not only fucked up, I feel sorry for him, he must have felt violated, but interrupted the show for everyone else. Selfish, rude and wrong 👎
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Tall74nHard9
9 years ago
I was also thinking along the same lines that you eluded to - what if the situation was reversed ? My question is "where was the management" ? Surely it must have been obvious by a certain point that the guy couldn't properly perform his act (which is what he is there for), due to the actions of those women - so why didn't management intervene by one means or another ? Sure, all guys would probably enjoy some interaction with the ladies to get the crowd "motivated", but when it became blatantly obvious that he was being hindered, where was his assistance ? Tall
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DynamicCouple36
9 years ago
Most stalkings, rapes & associated sexual "violence" are perpetrated by males, if one looks at the reported rape & sexual misconduct statistics. And it seems to be seen in a much more serious light, if a man comes onto a woman and becomes forceful, than the other way around. You don't hear of many women "raping" men - perhaps as if a woman came onto a man, wanting sex, most men would perhaps be happy to oblige? So perhaps this is why it would not be tolerated if men, during a strip show, started "interfering" with the routine of the female stripper, yet if a couple of women did it, then it would be tolerated. Men can be hunters, who like to stalk their prey. Often at swingers clubs, you find a few guys following women around, to the toilets, hoping for an opportunity to get some action. If caught, they get thrown out. We have witnessed this first hand. Yet we have never seen any women doing the stalking and or getting thrown out? Perhaps it is just the way that it is. Men are seen as more of a serious threat than women?
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RHP User
9 years ago
I was once invited on stage to help a lady stripper undress but because i was invited no one cared. Normally I'd sit back and enjoy the show . I think most men know what's expected of them and behave accordingly. But , give some women a few drinks and those restrictions don't exist. I'm not against women letting go and having a good time. But some women are over the top and embarrassing. Double standard ? Yes.. But it will never change.
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'DynamicCouple36' Most stalkings, rapes & associated sexual "violence" are perpetrated by males, if one looks at the reported rape & sexual misconduct statistics. And it seems to be seen in a much more serious light, if a man comes onto a woman and becomes forceful, than the other way around. You don't hear of many women "raping" men - perhaps as if a woman came onto a man, wanting sex, most men would perhaps be happy to oblige? So perhaps this is why it would not be tolerated if men, during a strip show, started "interfering" with the routine of the female stripper, yet if a couple of women did it, then it would be tolerated. Men can be hunters, who like to stalk their prey. Often at swingers clubs, you find a few guys following women around, to the toilets, hoping for an opportunity to get some action. If caught, they get thrown out. We have witnessed this first hand. Yet we have never seen any women doing the stalking and or getting thrown out? Perhaps it is just the way that it is. Men are seen as more of a serious threat than women? Historically maybe but it still does not make it right? If we are to progress to be more enlightened society and want equality, simple rules of engagements need to be defined and boundaries to be respected, regardless of race, gender and status.
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Seachange
9 years ago
to answer your question, i would not stop them as I believe that the management ahs the duty of care to provide a safe environment for their employees and contractors. This rule should be a blanket approach to both genders and it is disappointing that management choose and pick whom to protect, which lends to uncomfortable and worst, tragic situations if somebody gets hurt. But mental abuse can just be as devastating as physical abuse in the workplace. I would definitely say something to the management. No problems doing that. However, if I bump into these women in the bathroom, maybe I would say something in the most diplomatic way, pointing out how it made the man uncomfortable and made his job harder to do. Just to point out the result of their misbehaviour. I have not issues with that. A catfight to ensue? I will definitely avoid this, but no way will i back down. You know me....
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RHP User
9 years ago
Yes I have seen this in a club. From memory the husband was a bit embarrassed and pulled the woman back numerous times - and other people were yelling out for her to sit down. Totally annoying. :(
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RHP User
9 years ago
There are loads of double standards to men can't be raped to our culture glorifying Cougars yet an older man with a very young woman is seen as a perv or that he is paying for her in some way.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'DynamicCouple36'Perhaps it is just the way that it is. Men are seen as more of a serious threat than women? I think it's a related aspect, where "women are delicate, fragile flowers to be protected" yet "REAL men handle their own business - and besides, what man doesn't want a womans attention".
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Mr_MrsAraps
9 years ago
Yet are things like that enforced ..... Generally no and prob cause of the same mentally people mentioned being it's just women having fun with a guy what harm could it be. Read an interesting article about males on the receiving end of domestic violence from women. Obviously the numbers are no where near as much as women on the receiving end but the recurring theme was it not being taken seriously so yes there are certainly double standards where inaction causes major impacts. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Of course on the face of it, this behaviour could be considered a double standard.... however one consideration is the way that the receiver (in this case the guy) feels about it. These things are always between two sides. So for offence to be made, one person/s acts "offensively" and the other is offended by the act..... without both, the behaviour, I think, is not necessarily offensive. Would this be considered a double standard, if another male performer in the same situation took offence? Probably not, t's just different circumstances........ Put another way, I may say something as a sick joke, some people see the joke and laugh, others don't see the joke and take offence...... I think the same applies here, if the roles were reversed, some female performers would take offence whilst others wouldn't..... So, upon analysis, I don't think it's necessarily a double standard......
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0z_boy
9 years ago
Conjures up a mental image of of the OPs scenario but instead 2 gay males trying to dack the dancer and flog his towel.Wonder how the crowd and management would take that. I think that would be funny
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RHP User
9 years ago
It is not so much a double standard as it is the current transitional standard as women move towards the same standards that have existed for men for so many years. Sure, there will be places where we can look that are a bit of an aberration and others where both will welcome the changes with open arms. I'm a single parent of a teenager.... I could carry on about a double standard every time I go to a PTA meeting albeit understand. It's simply a work in progress. Best.......
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'lilyorchid' to answer your question, i would not stop them as I believe that the management ahs the duty of care to provide a safe environment for their employees and contractors. This rule should be a blanket approach to both genders and it is disappointing that management choose and pick whom to protect, which lends to uncomfortable and worst, tragic situations if somebody gets hurt. But mental abuse can just be as devastating as physical abuse in the workplace. I would definitely say something to the management. No problems doing that. However, if I bump into these women in the bathroom, maybe I would say something in the most diplomatic way, pointing out how it made the man uncomfortable and made his job harder to do. Just to point out the result of their misbehaviour. I have not issues with that. A catfight to ensue? I will definitely avoid this, but no way will i back down. You know me.... confronting women, even diplomatically, could be problematic, I'd avoid doing that and leave it to the place to sort out. Women loaded on alcohol can get really nasty. These women sound like they don't back off very easily, I'd be avoiding any conversation with them. What a pussy hey? Okay, so i act all tough
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RHP User
9 years ago
I agree with Lily that it's not so much about physical, but the mental/psychological violation. I had another bloody experience with that yesterday. This guy hit on me, in the real world, but in the strangest way, and it wasn't until a bit further along last night I started to piece together how contrived and stalkerish it was. What I thought was random, wasn't random at all. I don't want to go into detail, but it was absolutely bizarre and I was so angry last night, the way this guy structured the whole act, then tried to tell me he wasn't a bad person, that he wasn't a stalker. Damn right he was. Anyway, I'm leaving that right there, but this guy here, in this topic, who was just trying to do his job, would have absolutely felt violated, no matter what his job is, his job shouldn't have to include being treated like a piece of meat, like anybody's property. So good point you raised about it not just being the physical threat
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RHP User
9 years ago
domestic violence against men, I've always felt so upset by that, and how it must make them feel. I've always had empathy for them, hell of a thing to have to keep quiet about, just because of society's stigma about it
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RHP User
9 years ago
But they were very open in their behaviour but on the night I found the men more 'predatory'. I was with a friend and another took the opportunity to touch me intimately whilst I was otherwise engaged! He did cop a barrage of abuse and his insipid smile and 'oops I'm sorry I accidentally touched your vagina' nearly got him a swift kick in the nuts! Abuse of people, whether male or female is not ok! Mary xx
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'I_touch_myself2' Quoting 'lilyorchid' to answer your question, i would not stop them as I believe that the management ahs the duty of care to provide a safe environment for their employees and contractors. This rule should be a blanket approach to both genders and it is disappointing that management choose and pick whom to protect, which lends to uncomfortable and worst, tragic situations if somebody gets hurt. But mental abuse can just be as devastating as physical abuse in the workplace. I would definitely say something to the management. No problems doing that. However, if I bump into these women in the bathroom, maybe I would say something in the most diplomatic way, pointing out how it made the man uncomfortable and made his job harder to do. Just to point out the result of their misbehaviour. I have not issues with that. A catfight to ensue? I will definitely avoid this, but no way will i back down. You know me.... confronting women, even diplomatically, could be problematic, I'd avoid doing that and leave it to the place to sort out. Women loaded on alcohol can get really nasty. These women sound like they don't back off very easily, I'd be avoiding any conversation with them. What a pussy hey? Okay, so i act all tough As I said, I will voice my opinion. Not one to be afraid to do so. but I do appreciate what you are saying. Thanks. Having said that, I am quite cordial and diplomatic as I think people should really think about how their actions can be misconstrued as abuse, whether physical, emotional or mental by the affected person, in this case, the male performer. A lot of men won't say anything about he abuse because of the stigma associated with men complaining about women, i.e. they are pussies/weak/etc. Not good. I have two boys and I would definitely encourage them to voice out their displeasure or objections if they believe something is not right, regardless of the perpetrators' gender. Now, WRT to those nasty alcohol laiden women, well, if they decide to tussle with me, their choice. I do not drink as I believe in self-control and being very aware of my surroundings. My first option in an aggressive situation like that is to walk away. they can scream their drunken bogan mouth away and swear at me, just words. However, if provoked and put in position to defend myself, I think my near 20years of martial arts, self-defence and boxing experience could come in very handy in the tussling.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'DynamicCouple36' Most stalkings, rapes & associated sexual "violence" are perpetrated by males, if one looks at the reported rape & sexual misconduct statistics. And it seems to be seen in a much more serious light, if a man comes onto a woman and becomes forceful, than the other way around. You don't hear of many women "raping" men - perhaps as if a woman came onto a man, wanting sex, most men would perhaps be happy to oblige? So perhaps this is why it would not be tolerated if men, during a strip show, started "interfering" with the routine of the female stripper, yet if a couple of women did it, then it would be tolerated. Men can be hunters, who like to stalk their prey. Often at swingers clubs, you find a few guys following women around, to the toilets, hoping for an opportunity to get some action. If caught, they get thrown out. We have witnessed this first hand. Yet we have never seen any women doing the stalking and or getting thrown out? Perhaps it is just the way that it is. Men are seen as more of a serious threat than women? I'm not sure if this poster is serious or taking the piss, so i'm going to respond as if its serious. Apologies if i've somehow 'missed' the joke here.This is the type of response and attitude I consider dangerous and contributing to the current situation out there.Firstly to the OP - definitely a double standard, if its good for one its good for the other, its not an ambiguous situation that can be determined by gender. Situations like that hardly promote equality if passively condoned. He clearly wasn't comfortable with these women's' actions, so why wasn't something done about them? It should have been taken care of by venue security, just as it would have if it were men making unwanted approaches.Secondly: The comment that we don't hear of women raping men, is similar to why reported incidents of violence and abuse against men are statistically lower than those against women, because they are significantly under-reported. Thirdly: "most cases etc" is not accurate. Statistics are what they are because of the under-reporting, and in many cases the complete ignorance of the very organisations that are supposed to be supporting victims of abuse. Example being the number of male victims laughed out of police stations, the complete lack of support groups, funding and locations for male victims. It isn't 'most' in any way shape of form. Statistics can be shaped or made to say whatever the publisher wants them to say, by including or ignoring often vital information that would alter the outcome of the report, perhaps away from their own agenda? Fourth: Thinking any man would welcome being raped by a woman ... well... I really don't know how to respond to that with anything other than disbelief. Rape is rape, harassment is harassment, abuse is abuse. What swings between your legs (or doesn't) has nothing to do with it. A Former CDF said the standard you walk past is the standard you accept. It is only the way it is because people don't speak up, or just tacitly approve of this kind of double standard, that we continually have to deal with them.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Tall_n_Hard' I was also thinking along the same lines that you eluded to - what if the situation was reversed ? My question is "where was the management" ? Tall layout of the venue and where he was performing, as mentioned by OP, the performance wasn't on the small stage, but on the floor in the middle of where the general seating is located. It was quite packed and I'm sure management wouldn't have been able to see as it was four or five people deep in front of the bar....though there was a bouncer at the venue that night. I was really annoyed at the behaviour of these two women (women old enough that they well and truly should have known better) and it was my comment "what would happen if that were a female stripper" that got us all chatting as I had noticed that behaviour, not to that extreme during some of his earlier performances. I actually went up to him as soon as his performance was over and offered to be his body guard....which is really funny seeing as though I'm only 5'2". I hate that sort of blatant double standard, and it's no wonder men get so annoyed over things like that. Shaz
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Albert01
9 years ago
The male would be flattered You are in a club that promotes promiscuity and you are all there for that reason Wake up you weren't at Church - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
shit, I'm not messing with you
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RHP User
9 years ago
Well said
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MsJonesy
9 years ago
Trust me on this....... The male was in no way flattered. I guess there's every chance that the rest of your statement offers us a window into your thoughts about people who go to a swingers club. Just because we are there - the performers included - DOES NOT mean has the right to touch, harrass or assume they can have a fondle, poke, finger, grope, fuck etc, without the other persons consent.
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MsJonesy
9 years ago
Trust me on this....... The male was in no way flattered. I guess there's every chance that the rest of your statement offers us a window into your thoughts about people who go to a swingers club. Just because we are there - the performers included - DOES NOT mean has the right to touch, harrass or assume they can have a fondle, poke, finger, grope, fuck etc, without the other persons consent.
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0z_boy
9 years ago
Quoting 'MsJonesy'Ya can say that again!
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Albert01' The male would be flattered You are in a club that promotes promiscuity and you are all there for that reason Wake up you weren't at Church - Posted from rhpmobile Seriously are you dreaming??? No they weren't in church but does that mean that being treated like that is okay?? (actually I thought people went to church to be tampered with)Just because someone is at a swingers club does not mean they want attention or to be approached by anyone or everyone - have you not had attention from a female that you haven't reciprocated her feelings?
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Tall74nHard9
9 years ago
Shaz, thanks for your clarification of the circumstances. I understand that the performer may not have been in the place where he perhaps should have been for that part of his show. However, if it were a female performer in the middle of the floor - what are the chances she would have been left "unguarded" ? I don't know the venue nor the management, so I can't say for certain, but I would hazard a guess a female would have been paid a little more closer attention by management in those conditions (?). Tall
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RHP User
9 years ago
I assume that since you're on a site that promotes hookups AND you have a cock shot as you profile pic - you'll shag any female that contacts you on the basis that you're here for that reason? Totally agree with Summer and BrisbaneDom. It's unacceptable. And this man was being paid to provide a service. His service was visual entertainment. Would these women have done the same to a magician paid to provide entertainment? I think not. People aren't pieces of meat. They might be eye candy sure. But everyone's body deserves to be treated with respect. If it's not attached to you - ask before touching.
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RHP User
9 years ago
It's probably double standards, but there's no way that a group of women doing that to a man is any where near as threatening as a group of men doing it to a woman. I don't know the guy, but I'm guessing that at worst he was a bit annoyed and possibly a little embarrassed by the situation, whereas if the genders were reversed it would most likely be genuinely frightening for a woman. If women behave that way it's not great form, but if men behave that way it reinforces centuries of oppression and sets us back decades as a civilized society. That's the difference I think. xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'SoftandCurious'Would these women have done the same to a magician paid to provide entertainment? yeah, you know those hot mommas would've been all up for waving his magic wand in their wizard's sleeve
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funNewfriends
9 years ago
Double standards yes but it's not the same. It's probably double standards, but there's no way that a group of women doing that to a man is any where near as threatening as a group of men doing it to a woman. I don't know the guy, but I'm guessing that at worst he was a bit annoyed and possibly a little embarrassed by the situation, whereas if the genders were reversed it would most likely be genuinely frightening for a woman. So its based on if the person feels threatened or frightened. .... OK so based on that logic it would be acceptable for a guy to harrass and grope Ronda Rousey as she would not feel threatened or frightened by 99% of guys as she could kick their asses. a number of female friends could destroy me as they are competitive fighters and i have no training or experience. So it would be less offensive to be inappropriate with them too? Is it less offensive if a guy is very small and frail due to physical condition? I have known male strippers who have quit work due to being regularly scratched and had his balls grabed. (U dont have to squeeze balls hard to cause pain) Should a performers girlfriend just accept that its not as offensive for female punters to grope her boyfriend as its just part of the job as a male stripper while earning less than his female counterparts? It is a total double standard. While guys acting this way will get a severe physical punishment (as they should) Females get to act like kids at the tough pool and justify it with the same arguments that they have fought against "he/she likes it" "he/she is a stripper/dressed that way what did they expect" While guys are generally well behaved at clubs they are demonized as disgusting perverts not to be trusted. Women are not discouraged and often encouraged by their friends to act far worse and by your logic entitled too due to their lack of physical presence in comparison to guys. Nice - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'agenoely' It's probably double standards, but there's no way that a group of women doing that to a man is any where near as threatening as a group of men doing it to a woman. I don't know the guy, but I'm guessing that at worst he was a bit annoyed and possibly a little embarrassed by the situation, whereas if the genders were reversed it would most likely be genuinely frightening for a woman. If women behave that way it's not great form, but if men behave that way it reinforces centuries of oppression and sets us back decades as a civilized society. That's the difference I think. xx I have a different opinion on this. Respect yours of course. It's all good discussion. But let's consider the physical threat first. I don't believe a man or woman would feel physically threatened, in that particular situation, with people, management, no physical harm would come to either one IMHO though the line between physical and phsycological isn't always black and white. I do however, believe that both could feel phsycologically violated, couple with the fact that he had a performance to get through which would have been making him agitated anyway. You said men behaving that way reinforces centuries of oppression and sets us back decades as a civilised society. I believe women behaving this way and getting away with it, is also setting us back with the stigma surrounding abuse inflicted on men, whether it be domestic violence or in a public venue like this. Writing it off as a double standard, what's the harm? or 'at worst he was a bit annoyed', I can't see how that is healthy for us to move forward and treat men and women equally. Just my thoughts
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MsJonesy
9 years ago
Spot on!!! Totally agree :))
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RHP User
9 years ago
I think Albert is not understanding the question or the situation. V angry person! Wouldn't want to meet Albert in a dark corner of a club. Haha.
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Seachange
9 years ago
i would not even want to meet Albert at all, dark or bright corners of any room, unless I have a fully charged taser with me...
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RHP User
9 years ago
With lily,a word to the management is best..not confronting the women or bouncers. I witnessed a very disturbing situation at a swingers club a few years ago and will never go to one again. Why does this double standard exist ? Cynical me thinks it is considered entertainment not assault by most of the audience and management Q
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lovman8
9 years ago
I have been to and enjoyed several strip clubs and generally notice the respect for the female performers. Admittedly there is security and an established "code of behaviour". I have also performed as a male stripper alone at private parties an as part of a troup for 200 women. The female audience was far less respectful and less inhibited in interacting than the males. I must admit I enjoyed rather than felt threatened by the groping. The other difference I noticed was the women's interest waned immediately after the performance. This doesn't happen with men.
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sxy30sGCguy
9 years ago
yeah its a huge double standard, and its not the only one in "swinging" life either.............sorry to say but tons of women behave like they are some kinda superior being levitating above all us mere mortals, got news for you. Its a product of marxist feminist social engineering and ideology, they claim its about equality........but truth is they only want equality when its to their advantage, then they want special treatment based on gender when its not.
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RHP User
9 years ago
That's the best giggle I've had all week...yeah those women probably ponder that Marxist feminist position all day long ..bless ya little cotton socks 😈Q
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sxy30sGCguy
9 years ago
No offence hun but i think you kinda missed the point i was making there. The point is women claim to want equality, but truth is there are double standards everywhere you look where women are the ones getting the advantage. The thing is theres just very few people are willing to admit it cos its not "PC" to do so. Its equality when suits and double standards when it doesnt. That doesnt add up to equality in my book. This incident described in the club with a male dancer is a prime example. If that happened to a female dancer, the guy taking liberties might find himself pissing blood in a dark alley after being dragged out by security and beaten within an inch of his life.....and then possibly even tossed in a cell with a criminal conviction on top of it. But when a female does the same to a male dancer, everyone laughs....no one bats an eye, tell me again how thats "equality". Its not, and its just one very very obvious example of things we see all around us these days that no one has the nuts to talk about, especially men, for fear of being labelled a "misogynist" its all a product of feminist ideology, which is a ideology that comes under the umbrella of "Cultural Marxism" ...look it up
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting "Summersoltice", "I wish people would get away from the idea that men should be able to handle themselves, and recognise that D/V towards men by women not only exists, but isn't uncommon." I'd say it's definitely a double standard,it really gets my goat too,especially when we are constantly told lately about the importance of "gender equality". I am a victim of DV myself,several times over a number of years from my ex wife,big king hits from behind,I've had blood noses,split lips etc and never once raised a hand back,and when our teenage daughter and I fled the home and I made statements to police of the assaults nothing was done. It seems "gender equality" really only goes one way in regard to the piolice and the laws. So in answer to the question,yes I would have intervened and said seething to these ladies for sure, if it was clear that the performer was uncomfortable by their advances. Everyone,one and all,needs to take a stand against people like this if we are acheive true "gender equality" and end DV for one and all in society. A victim is still a victim regardless of age,race,religion or gender. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'sxy30sGCguy' Its a product of marxist feminist social engineering and ideology, they claim its about equality........but truth is they only want equality when its to their advantage, then they want special treatment based on gender when its not. I was actually arguing for equal treatment and respect for both genders and all sexual persuations. I still have to connect the dots on how the Marxist fem movement has resulted in these women groping the men. If anything, I think these women have no idea on the real meaning of equality and are just plain stupid and bogan. But that is just my opinion and I will stomp off in my black Doc Martins and patched jeans, into the abyss of the public library to read up on Marxist feminists social engineering and ideology. After combing my overgrown armpits and rubbing argan oil on my furry pubic area to soften the bush....
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RHP User
9 years ago
Male victims may be the minority but as you say the statistics aren't really a true reflection and there is little to no help or support services for males compared to females,hundreds of millions is being thrown towards support services for women and not a cent for men because they're apparently a minority. It shouldn't matter majority or minority,to deny someone the same level of support services or help because they fall in the minority is absurd. - Posted from rhpmobile
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sxy30sGCguy
9 years ago
Quoting 'lilyorchid' "I was actually arguing for equal treatment and respect for both genders and all sexual persuations. I still have to connect the dots on how the Marxist fem movement has resulted in these women groping the men. If anything, I think these women have no idea on the real meaning of equality and are just plain stupid and bogan." Ironically sweetheart you just proved my point. The feminist movement has created the double standard and removed the consequences for womens bad behavior. Like you said yourself, its about truly equal treatment supposedly right? Theres nothing equal about the situation being described, more a blatant hypocritical double standard, which truthfully is par for the course when you are talking about feminism. There is no bigger hypocrite than a feminist Quoting 'sxy30sGCguy' Its a product of marxist feminist social engineering and ideology, they claim its about equality........but truth is they only want equality when its to their advantage, then they want special treatment based on gender when its not. I was actually arguing for equal treatment and respect for both genders and all sexual persuations. I still have to connect the dots on how the Marxist fem movement has resulted in these women groping the men. If anything, I think these women have no idea on the real meaning of equality and are just plain stupid and bogan. But that is just my opinion and I will stomp off in my black Doc Martins and patched jeans, into the abyss of the public library to read up on Marxist feminists social engineering and ideology. After combing my overgrown armpits and rubbing argan oil on my furry pubic area to soften the bush....
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'lovman8' I have been to and enjoyed several strip clubs and generally notice the respect for the female performers. Admittedly there is security and an established "code of behaviour". I have also performed as a male stripper alone at private parties an as part of a troup for 200 women. The female audience was far less respectful and less inhibited in interacting than the males. I must admit I enjoyed rather than felt threatened by the groping. The other difference I noticed was the women's interest waned immediately after the performance. This doesn't happen with men. I went to a manpower show once years ago, and i can tell you right now, my interest didn't 'wane' after the show haha I somehow ended up on stage, so horny, those bodies and the alcohol I had in me, I was probably one of those assholes I'm now bagging out on. Enough about me, now what was this you were saying about you being a stripper, tell me more
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RHP User
9 years ago
hope you're doing well too. Was just thinking about you tonight, hadn't seen you on here for a while
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'sxy30sGCguy' Quoting 'lilyorchid' "I was actually arguing for equal treatment and respect for both genders and all sexual persuations. I still have to connect the dots on how the Marxist fem movement has resulted in these women groping the men. If anything, I think these women have no idea on the real meaning of equality and are just plain stupid and bogan." Ironically sweetheart you just proved my point. The feminist movement has created the double standard and removed the consequences for womens bad behavior. Like you said yourself, its about truly equal treatment supposedly right? Theres nothing equal about the situation being described, more a blatant hypocritical double standard, which truthfully is par for the course when you are talking about feminism. There is no bigger hypocrite than a feminist Quoting 'sxy30sGCguy' Its a product of marxist feminist social engineering and ideology, they claim its about equality........but truth is they only want equality when its to their advantage, then they want special treatment based on gender when its not. And ironically, you arguing for equality and still resorting to the condescending addressing of females in this thread as Sweetheart and Hun is contradictory to what you are espousing. In doing so, you in effect, try to reduce the female posters here as inferior to yourself. That position you have taken is in itself, smacks of double standards and far from the egalitarian approach you seem to bemoan?It takes both sides of the gender fence to make a difference and eradicate sexual inequality and it starts at the grassroots, i.e. with yourself with simple respectful addressing of your peers by name and not by condescending terms as you have used. Again, those behaviour of those women, we do not condone as per our posts and it is outrageous in this day and age. There will always be social deviants in our society. And for those striving for equality and enlightenment, we we should really practice what we preach.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Honey Bunny,why not read Jaques Lacan.He was the bomb with the Marxist Feminists in the 70s,and we all went on to our social engineering projects,bringing up our children to expect to be treated and to treat others equally with respect,regardless of lifestyle choices. Q
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RHP User
9 years ago
As a kickoff - I remind you of a totally relevant quote by the highly revered Mahatma Gandhi who has , no-less, been enshrined in Modern Global History: "One can measure the greatness and the moral progress of a nation by looking at how it treats its animals". Need I say more! Apologies this is so lengthy, but please find below, an excerpt from an official Document . Included is the Link to the Official Article published in 2015 : www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1415/Quick_Guides/DVinAust " This paper summarises a recent Parliamentary Library publication on domestic violence. It provides an overview of the prevalence, risk factors and cost of domestic violence in Australia. In 2013 the World Health Organization found that violence against women is a violation of human rights that affects more than one third of all women, and ‘a global public health problem of epidemic proportions’. Australia’s National Research Organisation for Women’s Safety (ANROWS) notes that, in Australia, domestic violence is the most prevalent form of violence experienced by women, and a woman is more likely to be assaulted in her home by a male partner than anywhere or anyone else. Information on the prevalence of domestic violence in Australia is derived from surveys including the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) Personal Safety Survey (PSS) 2012 and 2005, the Australian elements of the 2004 International Violence Against Women Survey (IVAWS), and the 1996 Women’s Safety Australia. Although a stronger evidence base is required as the full extent of domestic violence remains unknown, it is known that the majority of those who experience domestic violence are women, and such violence affects members of all cultures, ages and socio-economic groups. ANROWS has summarised the results of the 2012 PSS, highlighting that, since the age of 15: 1 in 6 Australian women had experienced physical or sexual violence from a current or former partner 1 in 19 Australian men had experienced physical or sexual violence from a current or former partner 1 in 4 Australian women had experienced emotional abuse by a current or former partner 1 in 7 Australian men had experienced emotional abuse by a current or former partner. There are a range of challenges involved in collecting and analysing data on domestic violence. The 2012 PSS defined violence as at least one incident involving the occurrence, attempt or threat of either physical or sexual assault, so these figures fail to reflect different patterns and experiences of violence, including duration, scale and severity. Women are over-represented in intimate partner homicides, and much more likely to experience sexual assault than men. Of all Australian women, 15 per cent had been sexually assaulted by a person they knew. One in 22 Australian men had experienced sexual violence, by a person known or unknown to them. Perpetration of violence is also gendered, and ANROWS states that it is more likely for a person to experience violence from a male rather than a female perpetrator. More than three times as many people over the age of 15 were found to have experienced violence from a male than a female........" etc etc (the report continues). And,....as continued reporting reveals, very little has changed in the ensuing 4 years. Women are still being murdered & still experience violence of unequalled ferocity , which will never, no matter what anyone's personal views are, be physically achievable by all but the smallest number of females. Sadly, as is usually the case - it is the actions of Many who have tainted the few, & in view of that, I empathise unreservedly & with the greatest of compassion , with Poster : Jamiexjs . Many of us too, have experienced your trauma & we are with you in Love , Hope, Kindness & Peace. Have a loving (& lusty) weekend Everyone. Ysa - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Here's a link to another fact-backed Article. - Posted from rhpmobile
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nytewyng
9 years ago
Quoting 'Summersolstice' It's awful that it happens and awful that most people don't seem to see the problem. You bet I would have told them to knock it off and asked them how they would feel if it was them treated like that by a group of guys.Many still feel that guys couldn't possible intimated by "just" women, so it becomes a joke. Anyone remember that video where a man (an actor) was being abused and hit by a woman in public, to see if anyone would intervene? Predictably no one did, but when the actors changed roles a fair few bystanders were very quick to intervene. I wish people would get away from the idea that men should be able to handle themselves, and recognise that D/V towards men by women not only exists, but isn't uncommon. Rant over. Not a rant,.... a welcome, thought provoking and open-minded statement, and one very much appreciated as another dimension to this topic (not that I've been in a DV situation). I also remember that video, it came up on a FB feed of mine a couple of months ago. Thank you OP for an amazing forum topic that has engaged all Forumites in an awesome, rational and respectful discussion (from about 99% of posters.... coughAlbertcough) BrisbaneDom - some very succinct and spot-on statements in your post especially love the quote re: Standards. I use that when I mentor new custodial staff onto the floor;Quefenta - love your dry, witty, intelligent and articulate statements - all the way back to participating in the forums;iTouch - yes, where female to male DV occurs, the male is seriously stigmatised, even by police officers some of whom don't take it as a serious matter. Very salient and coherent points from all contributors.... Now to cut to the chase - it IS a double standard regardless of who is on the receiving end. The same goes for harrassment, racism, sexism et, al. As to approaching the women, it seems they wouldn't care if i approached them and made the above point. But I'll bet they would be up in arms if it were them on the receiving end of the disrespectful treatment.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Reposting minus the Links - oops. As a kickoff - I remind you of a totally relevant quote by the highly revered Mahatma Gandhi who has , no-less, been enshrined in Modern Global History: "One can measure the greatness and the moral progress of a nation by looking at how it treats its animals". Need I say more! Apologies this is so lengthy, but please find below, an excerpt from an official Document . Link can be provided upon pm request if of interest. " This paper summarises a recent Parliamentary Library publication on domestic violence. It provides an overview of the prevalence, risk factors and cost of domestic violence in Australia. In 2013 the World Health Organization found that violence against women is a violation of human rights that affects more than one third of all women, and ‘a global public health problem of epidemic proportions’. Australia’s National Research Organisation for Women’s Safety (ANROWS) notes that, in Australia, domestic violence is the most prevalent form of violence experienced by women, and a woman is more likely to be assaulted in her home by a male partner than anywhere or anyone else. Information on the prevalence of domestic violence in Australia is derived from surveys including the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) Personal Safety Survey (PSS) 2012 and 2005, the Australian elements of the 2004 International Violence Against Women Survey (IVAWS), and the 1996 Women’s Safety Australia. Although a stronger evidence base is required as the full extent of domestic violence remains unknown, it is known that the majority of those who experience domestic violence are women, and such violence affects members of all cultures, ages and socio-economic groups. ANROWS has summarised the results of the 2012 PSS, highlighting that, since the age of 15: 1 in 6 Australian women had experienced physical or sexual violence from a current or former partner 1 in 19 Australian men had experienced physical or sexual violence from a current or former partner 1 in 4 Australian women had experienced emotional abuse by a current or former partner 1 in 7 Australian men had experienced emotional abuse by a current or former partner. There are a range of challenges involved in collecting and analysing data on domestic violence. The 2012 PSS defined violence as at least one incident involving the occurrence, attempt or threat of either physical or sexual assault, so these figures fail to reflect different patterns and experiences of violence, including duration, scale and severity. Women are over-represented in intimate partner homicides, and much more likely to experience sexual assault than men. Of all Australian women, 15 per cent had been sexually assaulted by a person they knew. One in 22 Australian men had experienced sexual violence, by a person known or unknown to them. Perpetration of violence is also gendered, and ANROWS states that it is more likely for a person to experience violence from a male rather than a female perpetrator. More than three times as many people over the age of 15 were found to have experienced violence from a male than a female........" etc etc (the report continues). And,....as continued reporting reveals, very little has changed in the ensuing 4 years. Women are still being murdered & still experience violence of unequalled ferocity , which will never, no matter what anyone's personal views are, be physically achievable by all but the smallest number of females. Sadly, as is usually the case - it is the words actions of one Group who have tainted other completely undeserving Folk. In view of that, I empathise unreservedly & with the greatest of compassion , with Poster : Jamiexjs . Many of us too, have experienced your trauma & we are with you in Love , Hope, Kindness & Peace. Have a loving (& lusty) weekend Everyone. Ysa
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RHP User
9 years ago
I have also stumbled upon another Article which articulates clearly & methodically why the "1 in 3 victims of Domestic abuse is a Male", claims are a Myth. I Have the link for that too. Rgds Ysa
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RHP User
9 years ago
Maybe the feminists behave so badly because they still get paid below the men and lose their jobs for getting knocked up? Summer - well Trump has made himself very famous by quoting facts 😝
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RHP User
9 years ago
Thank you Ysabel for your compassion,greatly appreciated.😘😘😘 I just want to shed some light on a few things. In regards to the ABS Public Safety Survey. In August 2015 the "Senate Finance and Public Administration References Comittee" handed down their report into domestic violence. One of the findings it was concerned with was the ABS statistics which are being used are highly misleading,from both the 2005 and 2012 survey. The stats weren't achieved with gender parity and without an equal amount of both male and female respondents to the survey it's not a true reflection. In the 2005 survey there was 11,800 female and only 4,500 male respondents,the 2012 was even worse with only 22% of the respondents being male. It's similar with the figure of "79" women killed in domestic violence in 2015 that was repeated by the media and many politicians including the prime minister,this is also highly misleading as everyone assumes they were all perpetrated by men on their partner. Upon closer investigation of the figure of 79 it can be found that 11 were women killed by women,9 were by an unknown perpetrator and 5 were by a male unknown to the victim. That's more than 25% of the 79 that weren't cases of domestic violence. It also seems hypocritical when they talk of protecting "women and children" when the stats for filicide in Australia show that a mother is more likely to kill her children than a father. Paramount to solving any problem is having the correct details and having a thorough understanding of the issue at hand,with distorted information,statistics and figures being used clearly this isn't about solving domestic violence holistically . It's about $$$$. The misleading figures,stats and numbers are pushed by certain organisations that rely on government funding who I will not name,of which none of the funding they receive is used directly for victims. I'm certainly not discounting the fact that there is a serious problem with domestic violence towards women in Australia and measures need to be taken to reduce this but there is also a serious gender bias against male victims as well. To hear these organisations and politicians talk about "gender equality" is quite alarming when there is clearly no equality at all for male victims. The current witch hunt demonising all men as abusers and all women as victims will never stop domestic violence as a whole. EVERYONE needs to "take a stand"against DV. As I said earlier in my other response,"A VICTIM IS STILL A VICTIM,regardless of age,race,religion or gender and to deny anyone the same level of support services and help because they're in the minority is absurd." Sorry everyone,rant over,love to all😬😘😘😘 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Technically I suppose it isn't true,I should have said "not a cent for male victims" support services for houses,or free lawyers etc. Mr Turnball's $100 million package consisted of $98 million for women's help and support services and $2 million for men,BUT that $2 million is for men's behaviour change program's and not one cent for male support services. Victorian premier Daniel Andrews even gave $100 thousand for pets of female victims and not one cent for men for any support. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Jamiexjs' Sorry everyone,rant over,love to all😬😘😘😘 - Posted from rhpmobile That was an excellent post which really enlightened me and put things in perspective, thanks for posting.I'm thinking it's time for a name change as people have shortened my name to Rant, as is the Australian way. The trouble is I don't rant much more I go off or I don't...
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RHP User
9 years ago
To quote your "further..."response I have also stumbled upon another Article which articulates clearly & methodically why the "1 in 3 victims of Domestic abuse is a Male", claims are a Myth. I Have the link for that too. The shame and embarrassment for a man to admit he's a victim of DV from his wife can have serious effects on their mental and emotional health. When they're disbelieved or invalidated this is a form of revictimisation and for someone who is already receiving abuse it's an insidious thing to comprehend. To be disbelieved or invalidated by authorities only further inhibits their ability to report the abuse. Unfortunately I know this too well,I made statements to police,complete with photos of blood noses,split lips etc, no charges were laid,then there was even an admittance in a Facebook comment to several assaults over a number of years and still no charges.!!! Despite repeated requests by me for their reasons of not charging.?? For them to then charge me over an abusive text I sent to the perpetrator was mind blowing to say the least.!!! The discrimination,revictimisation,mental and emotional trauma etc that I've been subjected to in the last 12 months almost put me in a hole,thankfully I have been able to get through with a good counsellor. Not one of my male friends would even bother to come forward if they were in the same boat after seeing what I've been put through.!!! So I'm sorry Ysabel but given the amount of men that don't come forward or are invalidated like myself for you to claim "myth" is exactly what the problem is all about and why the stats for men's suicide are up. I could provide you figures from the NSW Bureau of Crime and Statistics(BOSCAR) that the NSW government used in their submission to last years senate inquiry that validate one in four victims were for a fact male,add to that the amount of unreported or invalidated and one in three could be easily achieved. Domestic violence has NO gender.!! - Posted from rhpmobile
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Glamfan
9 years ago
Yes, it is a double standard. It's not fair on the performer, who's trying to do his job. It would throw his timing, and timing is pretty crucial when doing an act.
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RHP User
8 years ago
Hey....whoahh, easy chief. It was a quote Jamie if you noticed the inverted commas - not MY CLAIM. The article did clearly highlight the intrinsic imperfections in the Data Collection methods & offered reasons why . Also, I offered to direct anyone interested to both full articles. If you didn't take up that offer then that was your choice to remain less informed. (Perhaps you found it anyway?!) I am not the enemy here - if you carefully read & absorbed the pertinent parts of my post, you will have noticed , I spoke from personal experience. Just like you! I have to say though, I have NEVER been physically or sexually assaulted by any woman , throughout 50yrs. (And nor do I personally know any other Woman who has though they will of course exist). I have encountered 1 Man who has experienced DV. I have however, been physically and sexually assaulted more than once , by only Men - and from as early an age as 6. Also, I was only discussing Domestic violence here & did not mention the occasions throughout my life where I (like many many women), have experienced physical & sexual violence throughout the course of everyday life & at my job or workplace. I carefully iterated my total support , compassion & empathy for yourself & Men who have sadly endured Domestic Violence (or any violence for that matter). It is counterproductive to attempt to make me the enemy, but look, if it helps you to feel better, go ahead. I have big shoulders. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
8 years ago
Also Jamie, I was referring to the topic as an Australian & Global issue. Not a single state. We all live in the same country. I will check out the WA stats though & see what they reveal. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
8 years ago
Quoting 'Jamiexjs' Upon closer investigation of the figure of 79 it can be found that 11 were women killed by women,9 were by an unknown perpetrator and 5 were by a male unknown to the victim. That's more than 25% of the 79 that weren't cases of domestic violence. Why can't the women killing women cases be DV? Women can have female partners, plus DV doesn't just mean partner violence, it includes the other types of family relationships as well. Even taking away those figures, that's still 54 women who were killed by a male partner in one year. That seems pretty damn serious to me and not something to dismiss lightly. Re the 1 in 3 number, the stats on the other 'side' are also heavily cherry picked and manipulated by the MRA types who are very effective propagandists. I'd be interested to know where your link for that comes from. You need to be critical about all the info you read. I understand why you have a personal investment in this cause, and I agree that male victims should be supported as much as female victims of DV, but basing your whole argument on trying to minimise the impacts of violence against women isn't a very effective way to go about it.
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RHP User
8 years ago
Quoting 'Summersolstice' Quoting 'Rantallion' I'm thinking it's time for a name change as people have shortened my name to Rant, as is the Australian way. The trouble is I don't rant much more I go off or I don't... Something with testicles, so we can call you Testy. Much nicer than Rant. My name does pertain to testes...
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RHP User
8 years ago
Some interesting responses here and thanks to those that addressed mine. Some of them actually make the point I was making quite well - the studies that are currently being used to justify or direct funding and more unfortunately policy, are actually fundamentally flawed, not only in their data collection but in the way they're presented, leaving some fairly key pieces of information out, such as one that was raised, that barely any men responded to the studies, or in some cases weren't even asked. When a State Premier is funding pets recovery over men's, (which fair to say is a rather sad vote grabbing attempt for all to see) well, fair to say there is an entrenched and very big problem out there. There are some deeply ingrained attitudes out there that aren't helping either side of the coin in this area, and until someone has the stones to stand up and say it out loud at the political level, that we need to remove gender completely from the dialogue and address the issues behind both sides, and also to point out/expose the self interest groups and individuals influencing and agitating against that change, unfortunately we're going to be locked in this battle (that in my humble opinion we just don't need to be in). Lies, damn lies and statistics. Keeping politicians, religions and dictators well paid since the dawn of time.
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RHP User
8 years ago
I've had my share of unwanted attention in night clubs from older drunk females, even a hens party that tried to strip me. When they had my belt I made a run for it to avoid being turfed out. I don't mind the attention, it's the situation and context. It's also got to have consent.
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Seachange
8 years ago
Yep. What were they thinking? it's not just cricket. I have no respect for people stepping over the boundaries of somebody's personal space. Drunk or no drunk. Male or female, cougar or not. Just no excuses.
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RHP User
8 years ago
Unfortunately they were a bunch of clucky chooks on a hens party, and they wanted foxtrot to do a private show in a public venue. If they approached me and talked the result could have been different in a private setting. Public decency is important.
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