M47
Eddie McGuire's Comments
May 31 2013
Comments
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RHP User
12 years ago
crocodile tears don't fool me, he's a yob in a suit.But I'm afraid he'll walk.
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xFunlovingx
12 years ago
I heard Eddie that day when he made that "slip"...What he meant was that Goodes was like King Kong as in big and strong and doesn't take shit! The media only play what they want you to hear! I am not an Eddie fan but seriously the guy has done so much more for Indigenous players than anyone else! He is in charge of the Michael Long Foundation for Indigenous players and was refused his resignation by Michael himself after this headhunt! Goodes accepted his apology and understood what Eddie was trying to say...so why can't the rest of Australia? Tall Poppy Syndrome maybe?.xFunlovingx
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'xFunlovingx' I heard Eddie that day when he made that "slip"...What he meant was that Goodes was like King Kong as in big and strong and doesn't take shit! The media only play what they want you to hear! I am not an Eddie fan but seriously the guy has done so much more for Indigenous players than anyone else! He is in charge of the Michael Long Foundation for Indigenous players and was refused his resignation by Michael himself after this headhunt! Goodes accepted his apology and understood what Eddie was trying to say...so why can't the rest of Australia? Tall Poppy Syndrome maybe?.xFunlovingx Collingwood !
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RHP User
12 years ago
Fired for one slip? While Tony Abbott STILL has his job? *Hands USA a cup of Kool-Aid*
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RHP User
12 years ago
Since when is calling someone an ape racist? I have been called worse and I haven't been "shattered". Personally I thought the whole thing was amusing. People need to stop being so politically correct and man up! Australia has become such a nanny state and the Australian way of being a larrikin is slowly dying. Such a shame! Pusscat xxx
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RHP User
12 years ago
A female patient called me a Fucking Dog.
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RHP User
12 years ago
today i told a council town planner to suck my dick. no slip, just a metaphor
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RHP User
12 years ago
But I think this has been blown waaayyy out of proportion. Plus go the LIONS tonight.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Norm always used to say''well I'll be a monkey's uncle''....I do think though, calling someone an ape is implying they are less than human,I suppose you would need to be black and have that said to you on a regular basis to really understand what it is like....
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RHP User
12 years ago
Totally over the top! Bloody hell they do worse stuff on the footy show! People need to get over all this bs and get upset over the really important stuff! He has apologised, and explained himself, that is enough
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RHP User
12 years ago
I could see how his comment could have been offensive towards Aboriginal people and Goodsie.I can see how his comment could have been seen in a different light and not seen as being racist.Australia is Very multi cultural we have people from all over the world who reside and call Australia home.We tolerate all types of religions ,cultures and people. Not to many countries are a melting pot like we are.Eddie is a boof head ,most people are who hold positions of power in the sporting arena.As far as i am concerned ....... well i don't really give a shizzle !Half these people wouldnt last a day on a building site ,you should see how we roll.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I've not heard the whole interview and have wondered if his comments were taken out of context. I have followed the story via footy shows and have figured all along that too much was being made of the racial vilification story. Now I've just done a quick google and found a story from 'The Sydney Morning Herald' that quotes comments by Eddie McGuire who claims the 13 year old didn't even know it was the indigenous round or that what she said was a racial slur. I don't believe everything I read but...Something that attracted my attention in that story is the mention of other comments (the first time I've heard of this). I'm going to copy and paste that part of the article here. What I'd like to say first though is that it is only the 'attention getting' comments that have been made much of in a public way and that disgusts me. The comments below are my idea of racist slurs that should have been dealt with and made made a fuss of!It has since emerged that Goodes and teammate Lewis Jetta were the target of more abuse during Friday night's game. Footage aired on television on Sunday showed a man wearing a Collingwood jersey screaming at indigenous players: "Give it to Goodes because he is black. Give it to Jetta because he is black. It's indigenous round umpire."No I don't want to fire him even though I have always found him annoying lol.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Polititians act worse, forum posters have been called worse, the Footy show do worse stuff...this makes it O.K and over the top? Eddie is in charge of the Michael Long foundation...he should have more Cultural respect then. Aboriginal persons were classified as Fauna up until 1966...I am not surprised at Adam Goode being offended at being called an Ape or being compared to a Gorilla. Sorry is not a word, it is a series of actions.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Agree. I fail to see how any of this can be seen as "racist" harden up! And that's coming from an Essendon supporter!
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RHP User
12 years ago
You'd think he called him a Rock-Ape, and he may as well had with all the hype..Mohammed Ali talking about Joe Frazier - "I'm going to fight Joe, the ugly gorilla, in a thriller in Manilla"..Was he suspended from boxing? No..Fire the elongated piece of snot anyway.
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RHP User
12 years ago
The media are having a feast with this one.. Truth is' as long as I can remember ' Aussies' say things like this without a ounce of malice. Just as we make a joke with others we also expect a serve back. It's just the Aussie way.. We're not alone with this, the poms also like to laugh at themselves , and the Irish are past masters of making fun of themselves and anyone else who happens to stumble in . Admittedly , some step over the mark at times, but in most cases bought quickly back in line . All Eddie Maguire deserves' is a slap on the wrist to appease those easily offended. Then get on with it. Before anyone decides to give me a serve for my opinion, I say this through past experience ' I was called all sorts of things by fanatical fans supporting their teams, just the way it is and I expected it..
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RHP User
12 years ago
Political correctness at its best apparently my previous post was deemed upsetting so someone with the power of the delete button, Just goes to show if you speak your mind now days in Australia and someone gets upset about it.
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justforthefun44
12 years ago
What a load of shit what is this country coming to racist what a load of shit if a white man makes a comment its racist if they make worse coments is they are just having fun the worst think australia did was say sorry sorry for what making live better for them
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RHP User
12 years ago
So those calling for his resignation have never done or said anything wrong?Let he/she who has never stuffed up cast the first stone?If you choose to stand in judgement without getting all of the facts, you are no better than the media that puts their own slant on things and doesn't quite get all the facts right(till way later) of course those that are Collingwood or Eddie Macguire haters are certainly going to go the throat.Who hasn't ever put their foot in their mouth? Should you also get the sack for stuffing up?
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RHP User
12 years ago
The matter has been blown out of proportion and twisted by people who wish to create problems.Poor choice of words certain, misunderstanding certain but is it a national crime? Why does it require a sacking for a simple misunderstanding, and poor choice of words?
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RHP User
12 years ago
I go between amusement, pity and disgust when white people (or people in a dominant ethnicity/gender/sexuality/insert advantage) say "harden the fuck up", "it's not racist", "it's just a joke" or "I get called much worse" etc. You just don't get it.Have you ever stopped to imagine what it must be like to spend your entire life dealing with systemic disadvantage? To know that historically your group has been shat on, abused, ignored, ridiculed, deprived of a voice, and treated as sub-human, all because of what you were born as? This wasn't all that long ago, and while things have gotten much better and moved towards equality, the vestiges of those attitudes and those systemic obstacles still exist today - they're just more subtle.The thing is, calling your mate an ape, in and of itself, isn't really an issue. As insults go, it's not really a scathing one. However, communication doesn't just exist in isolation - meanings are contextual. Language carries the weight of historical connotations, whether personal or cultural. When a white person calls a black person an ape, there's a very long, very shameful, and very specific history that the insult invokes. It carries a LOT of cultural baggage, taking in centuries of abuse, and invoking an attitude used to justify it all.Now, as I said, we all know it's unacceptable to consider someone of a different heritage 'subhuman', as it damn well should be. Shifts in societal values (and legislation) has pretty much stamped out overt racism of that kind. However, a lingering sense of casual racism is still very much alive in Australia, and it's evident in the sorts of reactions of people who complain about this being taken out of proportion, how it's 'not really an issue'. Think about this - if the girl knew she was making a racially based insult, that's bad enough. But even if she didn't - the fact that she's heard somebody else say it and believes it's acceptable to repeat it, without knowing its historical context and the impact it has, shows how insidious and culturally ingrained these attitudes are.Eddie McGuire's stuff up is the perfect example of ingrained, casual racism rearing its head. He spends a week saying all the right things, overtly going through the motions talking about how racism is unacceptable and why calling an indigenous person an 'ape' has a huge historical context that's disgraceful. He then, in an unfathomably stupid act, does pretty much the same thing, trying to make a 'joke'. I've heard the segment several times - you can tell his co-host is mortified, and McGuire's tone shifts very clearly as he tries to backpedal without actually admitting he just made a monumental cock-up.I think he's done what we probably have all done at times. We all make racist, sexist, whatever jokes on occasion, and just dismiss it from our priveleged position as 'a bit of a laugh'. That's because, though we are conscious of the hurt and history that these jokes are based on ("why isn't she in the kitchen making me a sandwich?!"), it's so easy to get carried away in the moment - these attitudes are so powerful because they're ingrained, they're subconscious. Jokes actually perpetuate and reinforce these attitudes, subtly or not-so-subtly reminding the subject of this history and their place in it. It's something that can be hard to see if you're on the other side, instead of the one at the receiving end, but rest assured, an indigenous person being called an 'ape' is FAR more aware of its history and meaning than you are, or than you intend. I don't think McGuire should be fired, and I don't think he is a racist. That doesn't mean he, like all of us (myself included), don't have a casually racist streak ingrained from our society and upbringing. I'm disappointed he didn't just come out and say "I've made a huge mistake that I apologise for unconditionally," and then use this as an opportunity to address some of those underlying impulses that led him to say it in the first place. I'm glad this conversation has begun, and I am in total admiration of Goodes for his handling of this sad affair. I hope we can use it to continue to improve our society and understanding of each other.And if you disagree with me - well, you're pretty much just a dick.Peace out, yo.ND
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RHP User
12 years ago
and worse still, distracts from genuine issues of racism, as well as the really positive ground made all week after the debacle at the swans/collingwood match.why eddie did this? His brain had been doing nothing but making the connection between goodes and the word ape all week long. its what the brain does - makes connections, its how it stores data. he just made a subconscious connection between the word king kong and the name adam goodes as a result of thinking and talking about nohting else all week.Apologise for it? for sure, but lets fucking move on and actually talk about real issues.
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RHP User
12 years ago
That's what Eddie is..... he should go so we don't have to put up with the moron any more.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'neptune_drift'I go between amusement, pity and disgust when white people (or people in a dominant ethnicity/gender/sexuality/insert advantage) say "harden the fuck up", "it's not racist", "it's just a joke" or "I get called much worse" etc. You just don't get it. Have you ever stopped to imagine what it must be like to spend your entire life dealing with systemic disadvantage? To know that historically your group has been shat on, abused, ignored, ridiculed, deprived of a voice, and treated as sub-human, all because of what you were born as? This wasn't all that long ago, and while things have gotten much better and moved towards equality, the vestiges of those attitudes and those systemic obstacles still exist today - they're just more subtle. The thing is, calling your mate an ape, in and of itself, isn't really an issue. As insults go, it's not really a scathing one. However, communication doesn't just exist in isolation - meanings are contextual. Language carries the weight of historical connotations, whether personal or cultural. When a white person calls a black person an ape, there's a very long, very shameful, and very specific history that the insult invokes. It carries a LOT of cultural baggage, taking in centuries of abuse, and invoking an attitude used to justify it all. Now, as I said, we all know it's unacceptable to consider someone of a different heritage 'subhuman', as it damn well should be. Shifts in societal values (and legislation) has pretty much stamped out overt racism of that kind. However, a lingering sense of casual racism is still very much alive in Australia, and it's evident in the sorts of reactions of people who complain about this being taken out of proportion, how it's 'not really an issue'. Think about this - if the girl knew she was making a racially based insult, that's bad enough. But even if she didn't - the fact that she's heard somebody else say it and believes it's acceptable to repeat it, without knowing its historical context and the impact it has, shows how insidious and culturally ingrained these attitudes are. Eddie McGuire's stuff up is the perfect example of ingrained, casual racism rearing its head. He spends a week saying all the right things, overtly going through the motions talking about how racism is unacceptable and why calling an indigenous person an 'ape' has a huge historical context that's disgraceful. He then, in an unfathomably stupid act, does pretty much the same thing, trying to make a 'joke'. I've heard the segment several times - you can tell his co-host is mortified, and McGuire's tone shifts very clearly as he tries to backpedal without actually admitting he just made a monumental cock-up. I think he's done what we probably have all done at times. We all make racist, sexist, whatever jokes on occasion, and just dismiss it from our priveleged position as 'a bit of a laugh'. That's because, though we are conscious of the hurt and history that these jokes are based on ("why isn't she in the kitchen making me a sandwich?!"), it's so easy to get carried away in the moment - these attitudes are so powerful because they're ingrained, they're subconscious. Jokes actually perpetuate and reinforce these attitudes, subtly or not-so-subtly reminding the subject of this history and their place in it. It's something that can be hard to see if you're on the other side, instead of the one at the receiving end, but rest assured, an indigenous person being called an 'ape' is FAR more aware of its history and meaning than you are, or than you intend. I don't think McGuire should be fired, and I don't think he is a racist. That doesn't mean he, like all of us (myself included), don't have a casually racist streak ingrained from our society and upbringing. I'm disappointed he didn't just come out and say "I've made a huge mistake that I apologise for unconditionally," and then use this as an opportunity to address some of those underlying impulses that led him to say it in the first place. I'm glad this conversation has begun, and I am in total admiration of Goodes for his handling of this sad affair. I hope we can use it to continue to improve our society and understanding of each other. And if you disagree with me - well, you're pretty much just a dick. Peace out, yo. NDNeptune - we'd take a lot more notice of this beautifully written post, if you'd actually written it. We've already read this "article" in the media. A few additions and some changed wording yes, but not quite enough. How about some original thought?
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RHP User
12 years ago
I work with a few aboriginals (mates)and they are good hard working blokes yea there race has had a rough trot but seriously I bet it would be alot worse for everyone if the Japanese hadv taken over in the war. We all faught in the war together under our flag (along with the kiwis) the Anzac legend is what made this beautiful country so I think they're prety lucky (howmuch do we have to give) The doogooders and the media are doing more damage than good What about Bringing back the ausi culture start singing the national anthem in schools every day again I'm sure he's happy that afl was invented ($200000 a year) There's a lot of people in the world a lot worse than anyone in this country! So I say build a bridge and get over it
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RHP User
12 years ago
Looks like u got caught out Neptune. Doesn't surprise at all though. Your argument fell to pieces with the way u signed off. There u were with your message of equality, but yet u sign off by calling anyone that doesn't agree with u, a 'dick'. For the record, I find that offensive. Kind of like how Adam Goodes found being called an ape offensive. Look forward to you apologising to all for your offensive remark. See how pathetic this is all become!!!!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'TongueCramps'Neptune - we'd take a lot more notice of this beautifully written post, if you'd actually written it. We've already read this "article" in the media. A few additions and some changed wording yes, but not quite enough. How about some original thought? Well. That's unintentionally flattering! Try Googling any sentence in my post and see if it comes up with a match?You feel like you've read the 'article' because the ideas in it aren't new, they're the position anyone should arrive at when they stop to think about it.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'cjtogether'Your argument fell to pieces with the way u signed off. There u were with your message of equality, but yet u sign off by calling anyone that doesn't agree with u, a 'dick'. For the record, I find that offensive. Well OK, maybe more flippant than offensive. If you find dicks offensive you may be on the wrong site.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'justforthefun44' What a load of shit what is this country coming to racist what a load of shit if a white man makes a comment its racist if they make worse coments is they are just having fun the worst think australia did was say sorry sorry for what making live better for them ........................................................................................................................................I am sorry that is a completely ignorant comment. The white man has done enormous harm to the indigenous community in Australia since we arrived. Just look at the stolen generation and all the harm this still causes today. And will continue to do so for future generations.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'neptune_drift' Quoting 'cjtogether'Your argument fell to pieces with the way u signed off. There u were with your message of equality, but yet u sign off by calling anyone that doesn't agree with u, a 'dick'. For the record, I find that offensive. Well OK, maybe more flippant than offensive. If you find dicks offensive you may be on the wrong site. Hey Neptune! You are the dick. I know from reading past posts that your post would be something you have written. You will be proud of me, even me the ADD juvenile managed to read through it all. LOL. Good post.
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RHP User
12 years ago
He has put lots of weight on hasn't he. Needs to go on a diet I reckon.
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RHP User
12 years ago
ND makes a very valid point. The connotations and the historical use of certain words, make a passing joke offensive. And us white fellas will never be able to truly appreciate how this would feel. I don't think Eddie should be fired, he should apologise and lets move on.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'cjtogether'Looks like u got caught out Neptune. Doesn't surprise at all though. Your argument fell to pieces with the way u signed off. One person doesn't believe this post was original, and you not only believe them, but villify N_D without hearing both sides, nor one shred of evidence? Now THAT is offensive. Thumbs down. And Tonguecramps, Good luck finding the article. Anyone that has followed N_D's posts over time will know that this one, including the last two comments, are typical of his style. I'm with you Neptune. Hater are such dicks.
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RHP User
12 years ago
is typical of his style*
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RHP User
12 years ago
Personally i think the whole discrimination/racism/political correctness this has gone crazy! Whilst yes i will always condemn nasty behaviour and name calling etc, it can work both ways. I have a friend who's son has a female friend at school-they are in year 12, who wasn't allowed to put her surname on the back of her special yr 12 jacket-like everybody else did- because her surname is Black.! Now that poor girl was upset, she became the odd one out, and made to feel bad about her own surname!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'woody_pusscat' Since when is calling someone an ape racist? I have been called worse and I haven't been "shattered". Personally I thought the whole thing was amusing. People need to stop being so politically correct and man up! Australia has become such a nanny state and the Australian way of being a larrikin is slowly dying. Such a shame! Pusscat xxx It makes me ashamed to be Australian watching the vast majority of a once proud culture fall to their knees and clamour to conform to the ridiculous notions put forward in the name of political correctness.Changing your behaviour based on a persons skin colour is racist ... affirmative action is racist by definition, sledging a player of an opposition sporting team, while possibly crass is just normal behaviour amongst fans and players alike. If the player was white it would not have even been noticed - that is what is racist.A truly non-racists person treats everyone the same regardless of their race / skin colour ... this would include universal and non-discriminatory use of your preferred insults / taunts.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Well said ding. U are 100% correct
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'neptune_drift' Quoting 'TongueCramps'Neptune - we'd take a lot more notice of this beautifully written post, if you'd actually written it. We've already read this "article" in the media. A few additions and some changed wording yes, but not quite enough. How about some original thought? Well. That's unintentionally flattering! Try Googling any sentence in my post and see if it comes up with a match? You feel like you've read the 'article' because the ideas in it aren't new, they're the position anyone should arrive at when they stop to think about it. Could you be any more up yourself? Not flattering you in the slightest. We "feel like we've read the article" because we have. You've taken most of your post from recent media articles and comments. There's phrases in there we've seen almost word for word.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Ms_Devious' Quoting 'cjtogether'Looks like u got caught out Neptune. Doesn't surprise at all though. Your argument fell to pieces with the way u signed off. One person doesn't believe this post was original, and you not only believe them, but villify N_D without hearing both sides, nor one shred of evidence? Now THAT is offensive. Thumbs down. And Tonguecramps, Good luck finding the article. Anyone that has followed N_D's posts over time will know that this one, including the last two comments, are typical of his style. I'm with you Neptune. Hater are such dicks. Firstly, we are not haters. Secondly, let us clarify - it was not our intention to imply that ND had "cut & pasted" a single article into his post. Simply that a large proportion of the arguments and points made are not in fact his, and that there is some language used in his post which is extremely similar to various articles we have read and comment we have listened too. Just because one can write well and with beautiful prose, does not mean that the argument presented is insightful or relevant, or even one's own. So yes, while the post is undoubtedly in ND's "style" (we have seen many of his previous posts), what we are doubting is the originality of thought. Now, it wasn't our intention to cause a ruckus either, so let's all just have our separate opinions.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'TongueCramps' Quoting 'neptune_drift' Quoting 'TongueCramps'Neptune - we'd take a lot more notice of this beautifully written post, if you'd actually written it. We've already read this "article" in the media. A few additions and some changed wording yes, but not quite enough. How about some original thought? Well. That's unintentionally flattering! Try Googling any sentence in my post and see if it comes up with a match? You feel like you've read the 'article' because the ideas in it aren't new, they're the position anyone should arrive at when they stop to think about it. Could you be any more up yourself? Not flattering you in the slightest. We "feel like we've read the article" because we have. You've taken most of your post from recent media articles and comments. There's phrases in there we've seen almost word for word. Ok, we were a bit harsh in the first sentence above, and for that we apologise. But we are sticking to our stance around original thought.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Are there any original thoughts these days? Surely that is how we all learn and form opinions is to read & discuss issues with others. So of course ND's comments may sound familiar. Fail to see the relevance quite frankly. It doesn't make his point any less valid and he obviously feels strongerly about it as well. So is it okay for everyone to say, come on cobber it's unAustralian we all call each other names. It's the Aussie way... Is that original? Is that more valid some how? ND who looks like a rich white boy in suspenders that swallowed a dictionary but is surprising left wing. Hmmm I can still say it in three lines or less. :P
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' ND who looks like a rich white boy in suspenders that swallowed a dictionary but is surprising left wing. Hmmm I can still say it in three lines or less. :P Pretty accurate. Except for the 'rich' part, sigh.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100'ND who looks like a rich white boy in suspenders that swallowed a dictionary but is surprising left wing. Aren't they called braces?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'TongueCramps' Could you be any more up yourself? Not flattering you in the slightest. We "feel like we've read the article" because we have. You've taken most of your post from recent media articles and comments. There's phrases in there we've seen almost word for word. First it was one article, but now it's several articles and comment. Couldn't find it, could you? I still dare you to find one sentence that N_D plagiarised.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sorry I meant braces but I think he would be pretty spunky in suspenders too. Although judging from ND's response maybe he does wear suspenders too. HAWT!
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RHP User
12 years ago
loved wearing his braces,he found belts just far to uncomfortable.....and without them,well we were just all put to the blush...his hips were slim too....oh I almost forgot,whether a thought or an argument is original or not is neither here nor there....what is important is the content and whether or not it can challenge closed minds and open them up,even just a lttle.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'TongueCramps'Firstly, we are not haters. Secondly, let us clarify - it was not our intention to imply that ND had "cut & pasted" a single article into his post. Simply that a large proportion of the arguments and points made are not in fact his, and that there is some language used in his post which is extremely similar to various articles we have read and comment we have listened too. Just because one can write well and with beautiful prose, does not mean that the argument presented is insightful or relevant, or even one's own. So yes, while the post is undoubtedly in ND's "style" (we have seen many of his previous posts), what we are doubting is the originality of thought. Now, it wasn't our intention to cause a ruckus either, so let's all just have our separate opinions. So you're clarifying that when you originally said I hadn't written it, because it only had "a few additions and some changed wording, but not quite enough", but then couldn't find a single duplicated string of four or more words on the entire internet, you ACTUALLY meant that I didn't invent the concepts I was talking about, that these are issues that have been written about before, and with similar terminology?!Well fuck me sideways.I don't even know how to respond to that without being so patronising I break the internet. I think I'll just let your words speak for themselves.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'neptune_drift' Well fuck me sideways. If you wear suspenders. (But you have to turn 30 first).
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RHP User
12 years ago
A ghost writer is quite different from a plagiarist. The idea is that DG is writing someone elses's story rather than copying and pasting someone else's writing. Getting back to the original topic, I guess this a good example of how easily a few words can be taken from how they were meant.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachyPier'The idea is that DG is writing someone elses's story rather than copying and pasting someone else's writing. Neptune_Drift is master of the written word, not Mischeviouslad.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I will say of course I didn't invent concepts like 'casual racism', 'culturally ingrained attitudes', 'historical baggage', 'systemic disadvantage' and so forth. Of course, neither did any of those other articles addressing the topic in this current spate, to which you feel I've shamefully stolen their ideas. I'm not going to explain how 'knowledge' and 'learning' work.My opinions are my own and expressed above. They're not unique to me, as your opinions aren't unique to you - other people have them, and it's beyond asinine to criticise someone as unoriginal because they hold a shared belief, particularly if that belief is arrived at through logic and reason.Plus, hey, you don't know me. I could be a journalist. I could have actually written one of those articles you refer to. Journalists like to have sex too. I could be a social worker. I could be an academic. I could be a discrimination lawyer. I could be a public servant writing policy. Any number of professions I might hold deal with these issues on a regular basis, and might reasonably be expected to have a good understanding of them. As it stands I do have a background in critical theory - these concepts weren't new to me because Yahoo! News introduced me to them last week. I've seen The Wire.I found and continue to find your criticism ludicrous, bordering on satire. I came across a topic that I feel very strongly about, have a decent knowledge of, and that invoked comments for which I think people should know better. You dismiss what I say because you think it looks like something someone else wrote, and even if you've pulled back from suggesting they're literally copied words, you won't engage them because I didn't invent the concepts on which they're based. I've got to hand it to you, that criticism IS original, and uniquely yours. Very few other people express that criticism, because it's uniquely idiotic.
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DonnaBrett
12 years ago
It's just more stupid political correctness gone mad!
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RHP User
12 years ago
where did our freedom go? who desided whats "correct" or incorrect?Cant believe the bullshit "government " is trying to tell me I can say or cant say?? Eddie/jow blow/ Tony Carrol can say what he wants...doesn't mean anything.. If someones being a dickhead...we as aussies can tell him "don't be a dickhead mate" I never signed up for restriction of speech? B
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RHP User
12 years ago
Bloody well said cobber ill crack a tinny to that. Why should we change any of our ausi culture what are our kids lives going to be like they won't be able to tell some one that they're a dickhead without grafting to say sorry For fuck sake did the japs say sorry for bombing aus No that's life get over it that's why our soldiers are knowen to be the best generations of being baught up with thick skin all you do gooders need to pull ya head out of your asses an live in the real world instead of worrying about other people's cultures worry about keeping ours for fuck sake our ansestors would be turning in their graves if they could see this country now. Hey Neptune have you ever been out to the bush and ate some bungarra cooked in coals or raven eaten any of our coat off arms seen a roo get taken down with a boomerang or seen the act of aboriginal law ? I dought it verry much you would get dirty and they'd tel ya to piss off have a go instead of just reading some political shit in a book then wright another story hear( sorry about the spelling:-)
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12 years ago
Quoting 'Ms_Devious' Quoting 'MrsPeachyPier'The idea is that DG is writing someone elses's story rather than copying and pasting someone else's writing. Neptune_Drift is master of the written word, not Mischeviouslad. The initials should be N_D not DG!!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'neptune_drift' I've got to hand it to you, that criticism IS original, and uniquely yours. Very few other people express that criticism, because it's uniquely idiotic. So sorry, TongueCramps, your comment is only idiotically unique because stupid here not so stupidly didn't share her curiousity that N_D's post did indeed read like an news story!!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'getwetonmyface' Bloody well said cobber ill crack a tinny to that. Why should we change any of our ausi culture what are our kids lives going to be like they won't be able to tell some one that they're a dickhead without grafting to say sorry For fuck sake did the japs say sorry for bombing aus No that's life get over it that's why our soldiers are knowen to be the best generations of being baught up with thick skin all you do gooders need to pull ya head out of your asses an live in the real world instead of worrying about other people's cultures worry about keeping ours for fuck sake our ansestors would be turning in their graves if they could see this country now. Hey Neptune have you ever been out to the bush and ate some bungarra cooked in coals or raven eaten any of our coat off arms seen a roo get taken down with a boomerang or seen the act of aboriginal law ? I dought it verry much you would get dirty and they'd tel ya to piss off have a go instead of just reading some political shit in a book then wright another story hear( sorry about the spelling:-) Well fair crack o' the whip there, guv'nor, ya got me. I would not want my English, Irish, Scottish, Italian, French, and Norwegian ancestors turning in their graves. I should point out though that the 'Japs' have apologised on numerous occasions, and in numerous contexts. Here's two official ones that 30 seconds on Wikipedia brought up: a) 1957: Prime Minister Kishi Nobusuke. "It is my official duty, and my personal desire, to express to you and through you to the people of Australia, our heartfelt sorrow for what occurred in the war."b) March 3, 2011: Foreign Minister Seiji Maehara apologized to a group of Australian POWs visiting Japan as guests of the Government of Japan for the ill-treatment they received while in Imperial Japanese captivity.But other than that, I agree with you and Adventure Time. When someone's acting like a dickhead, it's fair to acknowledge that they're dickheads (even if that does seem suspiciously like an attempt to restrict speech by imposing norms and standards.) As Adventure Time so wisely states, though, who gets to decide what being a dickhead involves?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachyPier' Quoting 'Ms_Devious' Quoting 'MrsPeachyPier'The idea is that DG is writing someone elses's story rather than copying and pasting someone else's writing. Neptune_Drift is master of the written word, not Mischeviouslad. The initials should be N_D not DG!!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Does because we can call people names mean we should?What does it accomplish?Ummm, from reading this thread... a whole lot of angst.
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