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Female submission and Feminism

December 27 2013

Does females desire for submission challenge feminism? I was talking about this with a few acquaintances (both males and females), we were discussing on how is it possible that such a superficial book like 5o shades could become so widely read... Some of the comments by these people can be summarized as follows: "no matter how women think they like to be independent and emancipated, in reality, they have cravings for a certain type of approach by males (E.g. Strong, confident, taking charge...) which is not longer common, nor fostered or even encouraged, and that this is due to the way society has changed because if feminism". I was somewhat puzzled and surprised by these comments and I would be curious to know what people think in here... Regards :-) E

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    11 years ago

    I like a man to be strong and confident and have a take charge attitude, but that doesn't mean that I am not independent or strong with in myself. The two are not mutually exclusive you know. Besides I need someone who matches me.... I am not interested in looking after a man, I want it to be a joint effort. Funnily enough I do like men to be "men" but I am hugely attracted to a mans vulnerable side. Once he shows me that I can't help but love him.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    11 years ago

    is, in my view, about the freedom to choose. If you choose submission in the bedroom and domination in the boardroom, or vice versa, or any other variation, and society is equally OK with whatever you choose, then women's liberation has succeeded. Most importantly though, you (the royal you ... all women) need to be happy and comfortable with your choices.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    11 years ago

    I am sexually submissive sometimes but I'm a staunch feminist. I approach men as well as liking them to approach me. I'm strong and confident, and like Meeka want the same in my man, an equal. I'm a bit confused as to the "no longer common", is that men no longer confidently approach women due to feminism?

  • RHP

    RHP User

    11 years ago

    Oh you mean just with BDSM and role plays, etc. Well I would have to say that is far too simplistic explanation. Yep it is a turn on for someone else to take control in the bedroom, you totally can let go and trust someone else to rule the play. But the dominant person could be a man or woman. How do you explain that? I have male friends that are normally dominant with female lovers yet they take the submissive role with other men. How do you explain that? Some people are tops and some people are bottoms and some people switch. It has nothing to do with the traditional male/female gender roles when it comes to BDSM...... so someone who doesn't know much about it says! LOL

  • RHP

    RHP User

    11 years ago

    Quoting 'MissKay' I am sexually submissive sometimes but I'm a staunch feminist. I approach men as well as liking them to approach me. I'm strong and confident, and like Meeka want the same in my man, an equal. I'm a bit confused as to the "no longer common", is that men no longer confidently approach women due to feminism? To me some men don't get it. They think they have to be strong which means they are over bearing, unsympathetic and unyielding, that they make all the decisions, that their way is the only way, they treat women like delicate little flowers without a brian, etc etc. They don't understand that being a strong man means you allow others to have their strengths too and if they don't, to me, its because deep down they are not really strong at all. This is what women rile up against.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    11 years ago

    I believe that some of the confusion may arise from the fact that people like clear definitions, instead humans are multifaceted.... In my opinion it is not a contradiction if someone (males or females) is submissive in one realm, and assertive in another context... However, I have posed this question in an international sort of site, and you wouldn't believe what came up! The discussions veered to more social issues, rather than sexual ones... Certain women came up saying that they are worse off now (as opposed to say 50 years ago) as they have lost the "freedom" to stay home and raise children, while being supported by a "MAN" who is in charge of his family! Other people came up with the age old "biological" frailty of women as an explanation for women's tendency to want to be subdued in the bedroom.... I suppose that in Australia, thankfully, gender inequality is no longer an issue and therefore less people would doubt that a woman can do what she likes in her real life and also chose to do what she wants behind closed doors....

  • RHP

    RHP User

    11 years ago

    In my real life I am a feisty, in control, insatiable & dominant go get em kind of chick however there is something quite liberating and hot about letting go and just being pleasured if only it was when I damn well wanted it and on tap :) I hate having to wait until the other is horny or available....

  • RHP

    RHP User

    11 years ago

    Is equal rights for woman and allowing them to choose. It's not the feminists who say women have to go to work, unfortunately a lot of families just can't afford to have one person working. It's the economy and the life choices that people make.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    11 years ago

    Quoting 'Halcyon_days' is, in my view, about the freedom to choose. If you choose submission in the bedroom and domination in the boardroom, or vice versa, or any other variation, and society is equally OK with whatever you choose, then women's liberation has succeeded. Most importantly though, you (the royal you ... all women) need to be happy and comfortable with your choices. Well said - totally agree! Pusscat xxx

  • RHP

    RHP User

    11 years ago

    I thought feminism is when a woman can cook I will let the Adults talk now...

  • twowithnolimits

    twowithnolimits

    11 years ago

    almost...<insert> "need to be allowed to be happy" ;-) "Most importantly though, you (the royal you ... all women) need to be happy and comfortable with your choices."

  • Tall74nHard9

    Tall74nHard9

    11 years ago

    Quoting 'MissKay' I'm a bit confused as to the "no longer common", is that men no longer confidently approach women due to feminism? the real concern by men of being accused of assault if the woman does not like what she sees.... Tall

  • RHP

    RHP User

    11 years ago

    Quoting 'Meeka100' To me some men don't get it. They think they have to be strong which means they are over bearing, unsympathetic and unyielding, that they make all the decisions, that their way is the only way, they treat women like delicate little flowers without a brian, etc etc. They don't understand that being a strong man means you allow others to have their strengths too and if they don't, to me, its because deep down they are not really strong at all. This is what women rile up against. Spot on Meeka!!

  • RHP

    RHP User

    11 years ago

    Sexual activity is a choice, and in BDSM it is about negotiation, a skill both women and men need to enter into a BDSM relationship. When women exercise this choice, whether it be to be dominant, switch or submissive, it means they are claiming their power. "no matter how women think they like to be independent and emancipated, in reality, they have cravings for a certain type of approach by males (E.g. Strong, confident, taking charge...) which is not longer common, nor fostered or even encouraged, and that this is due to the way society has changed because if feminism" Feminism has changed the way women and men relate that's for sure because feminism challenges male privilege. The bedroom was one area where males certainly had all the priivileges, including the right to rape their wife. NSW introduced the first "rape in marriage" laws in Australia in 1981. As others have said, wanting or having a man who is strong and confident does not preclude one from being a feminist. Sure I want a man who takes charge in the bedroom sometimes. I also want a man who accepts me taking charge to ensure my needs are met. The unfortunate thing about male privilege is that it has resulted in too many men thinking that life is all about their needs and wants.