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Girl Germs
June 26 2015
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RHP User
9 years ago
It's morality? Oh wait, mabey it's the extra tall horses with magical powers of protection they get around on? Orrrrrr mabey having a condom near by acts as a force field? All tongue in cheek of course, but carn bring it on!
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RHP User
9 years ago
What are these 'germs' you speak of? We fart vanilla scented glitter and our vaginas excrete rainbows. Put two pussies together and fireworks erupt with ooh and ahh noises. Only boys have icky germs 😉
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RHP User
9 years ago
I had a less than comprehensive Google, best I could find was, wash your hands, use rubber gloves and "open communication is essential" Of course! Women don't lie.
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Mischeviouslad
9 years ago
I think 50oz was more interested about the tongue-in-pussy lol
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RHP User
9 years ago
I think it's good for us all to question ourselves about our behaviour and motivations.... On the condom issue... I come down somewhere in the middle of the debate. I am well aware that they don't provide total protection and I'm much more comfortable being involved with people who are aware of this as well and get tested regularly as I do. However I still use them as they mitigate the risk of certain blood-borne STIs. I'm far more likely to get something like that if I have a load of an infected man's semen marinating inside my vagina for a few hours. I'm less likely to pick it up from oral contact (assuming the lack of open wounds/ulcers in the mouth) because of the action of saliva/stomach acid on viruses. When I'm with women, I engage in oral sex yes and I'm aware that I'm taking the same risk as when I perform oral on a man. It's not 100% safe, but again, less so than having the prolonged contact of another person's fluids inside my vagina. Complete abstinence is the only way to protect yourself from STIs, none of us on here are likely to advocate that so we need to be aware of the risks and take appropriate precautions. Relying completely on condoms and assuming you're safe as a result is naive and risky. If you have multiple partners with other people who have multiple partners, condoms will not keep you safe. Get tested people.
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Bazingal
9 years ago
I don't know why I allow a double standard. Maybe because I don't use one for oral regardless of gender. In my mind having sex with a man without a condom just seems wrong/risky. But I never consider it with women.
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RHP User
9 years ago
There is very minimal chance of me getting HIV from a women via my mouth BM can tell I those stata no doubt, and I do put condoms on all toys. Plus you would shower and wash hands between different groups in a swingers situation. Although I have seen really inconsiderate swingers in my time. Dirty. Fingering a guys arse and then goig to another group of people without a second thought. Men that bonk and arse and then go straight to a pussy some where else. Some people are selfish and inconsiderate.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I would be fascinated to know how men you let cum inside your downstairs hole 50zCool. That's what I want to know. Personally, I think it's easy for blokes to whinge about it because after all they are not likely to get anything by coming in a hole are they? It's the receiver who is taking the much greater risk.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Thankyou
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RHP User
9 years ago
Interesting how blindmans stats are useful all of a sudden. Re; my arse, one, someone I trust. Now stay on topic.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Those surgical gloves are cool too. Hearing them snap onto my hand. Ooh !
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RHP User
9 years ago
Stats are not important enough for me to read his posts or to know the stats myself. ;-)
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RHP User
9 years ago
Meeka that says a lot more about you than anyone else... Hp xo Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
9 years ago
How considerate you wash hands between "groups"! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'unicorn99' How considerate you wash hands between "groups"! - Posted from rhpmobile You have a shower don't you?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Seriously I am not a lesbian so I don't go around fingering lots of pies but even I know this! If you do have to have your finger in every pie, keep your pinky for the stinky and don't mix and match.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I wash my hands, absolutely, and I love antibacterial wet wipes. When it comes to toys, I'll put a condom on them, like Meeka. For oral sex I use no prophylactics, whether with men or women. I do like to have a rinse with mouth wash though.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Did I just call Meeks a toy?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Highpriority' Meeka that says a lot more about you than anyone else... Hp xo Because you're worth it... Not sure what you are talking about??? Don't worry about replying tho...
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RHP User
9 years ago
I think HP is you referring to you not caring about stats. HP, when it comes to the health of myself and my sexual partners, I don't consider stats either. To me personally it doesn't make a difference if the risk of catching an STI is 0.02% or 20%, as my sexual behaviour and choices will be exactly the same.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'unicorn99' How considerate you wash hands between "groups"! - Posted from rhpmobile well, I don't think it'd be practical to wash hands between touching a different person when you're in a pile of people at an orgy. It seems that although many people dress up their 'rules', they're not really based on any rigorous assessment of risk - more just following various 'community customs'. (hmmph, had a better post, but the dreaded 'forum dump out' struck again... kinda funny given the forums have been so risk and catastrophe prevention focussed lately, and I forgot to copy-n-paste. It only takes one slip up people ;-) )
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RHP User
9 years ago
I think I'm going to grab more of that popcorn...actually make it a bag of skittles....park up here on the sidelines, and see if a bunch of peoples make silly's of themselves... You know....just going by the last couple of related topics in the last week....
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Hottie1
9 years ago
Any sort of party, intimate or larger, right next to the condoms and lube is the antibacterial hand sanitizer! I'm with so_on the loose, going to wash your hands can be a real mood killer but I offer an alternative that will refresh you between people, with minimal interruption between play. I don't use condoms for oral, I did once and it was completely gag worthy, and not in a good way. At a party, I won't go down on man or woman if they have been poking at or been poked at for a while. I like my cock and pussy a little fresh ....😛 Mary xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
According to San Diego Uni boys have more germs in their offices,possibly because they have poorer hygiene than girls and usually a larger surface area for germs to breed 😉xxFreya
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Hottie1
9 years ago
Offices or orifces ? Lol! Mary xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
Are you being facetious! Tsk tsk I might have to spank that blue bot bot of yours. As Mary says, people get a bit stinky after awhile. Holes smell a bit rubbery for instances. And can I say I have spoken to people at parties before and they have pussy breath. Ewwww!!!!!!! So not a turn on. I think you can get cock breath too? Who wants to walk around with their breath smelling like genitals! Also washing may help the person to not get infected either. They say that you will be coming into contact with STIs at parties and swingers events but a lot of people's immune system are able to fight it off. Wouldn't it be better if you are washing reasonably frequently so that any germs that you have on you are not there all night? It is common courtesy too for the other swingers. But I was corrupted by the most promiscuous swinger of them all and he taught me well.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I am sooo good at spelling 😘😘😘xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
Nice big cold-sore on the lip anyone...? The emphasis seems to be on washing, sanitising etc, but how about that nice big cold-sore festering or even only beginning to appear on the lips - herpes virus waiting to happen for any guy or gal who it touches... ewwwww....
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RHP User
9 years ago
HIV cross infection rates. Something is missing but lazy bone is active today. Vaginal sex, female-to-male, studies in high-income countries0.04% (1:2380)Vaginal sex, male-to-female, studies in high-income countries0.08% (1:1234)Vaginal sex, source partner is asymptomatic0.07% (1:1428)Vaginal sex, source partner has late-stage disease0.55% (1:180)Receptive anal sex amongst gay men, partner unknown status0.27% (1:370)Receptive anal sex amongst gay men, partner HIV positive0.82% (1:123)Receptive anal sex with condom, gay men, partner unknown status0.18% (1:555)Insertive anal sex, gay men, partner unknown status0.06% (1:1666)Insertive anal sex with condom, gay men, partner unknown status0.04% (1:2500)Receptive fellatioEstimates range from 0.00% to 0.04% (1:2500) from world wide web (dot) aidsmap (dot) com (slash) Estimated-risk-per-exposure (slash) page (slash) 1324038 (slash)
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RHP User
9 years ago
What is the difference between the first two? Male to female and Female to male. Same thing, different stats?
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RHP User
9 years ago
So just to start off... Stats are irrelevant. Thanks Blindman for your contributions. But as much as I like and understand mathematics & probability, it's useless. You could have unprotected sex a thousand times, and catch nothing. You could have 'protected' sex once, and be unlucky. Thats like saying you should roll a 6 on a die 1 in 6 times. But we all know you could roll a 3, 10 times in a row... That being said, the idea of 'safe sex', for the most part, is utter bullshit. So far, over the last 3 threads relevant to this particular topic, has clearly stated to me, that just about everyone here thinks safe sex is condoms. Condoms are a must, I won't 'play' with anyone unless they bag up, and it's 'icky' for anyone who doesn't. NO-ONE has come forward to say they use ANY kind of protection for oral sex. Well, someone did, but they said not any-more, because they didn't like the taste of latex. Fair call. How many of you kiss when you're making love / fucking? I'm betting a lot. Not all...I know some people who swear off it, but for every 1, I know 10 who do kiss. Protection there? Maybe hazmat helmets bumping glass? Or eskimo style rubbing noses? *rolls eyes* From the thread I read about peoples firsts a few days ago, gangbangs are a plenty, and swingers / group sex parties oh so common. OH, and bisexual 3somes, 4somes and moresomes! Whoo hoo! Tell me, do you see what everyone does that you're having ANY kind of intimate relations with, EVERY and ALL the time you're there? Do you know where everyone's cocks, fingers, tongues, toes, or anything else human or foreign is going in and out of whom at all times? Or are you there in a surgery like room, where EVERYONE washes up before entering, gloves, dams, and condoms up, and then go for it? (Providing 5 years of blood tests to gain entry too by the way!) AND to top it off, how many here are guilty of being someone who would say "Oh, I participate in safe sex every time. No, no...EVERY TIME! Oh....well.... not with HIM....but I've known him for years, and I trust him implicitly! He's cool". Or "But she's my wife...and sure we play separately occasionally, but she's not silly..."And you know what? You may be right. I trust your judgement... 'implicitly'... *wry smile* For my mind, anyone here who says they actively participate in 'safe sex' is full of crap. And while I'm at it, for anyone here who's sentiment is "safe sex for all activities" on their profile page is full of crap. I know those comments are going to get me hated by the majority of everyone here, but it is dead true. I'll refer to a comment I made a week ago - "So you think that a guy will be flinging disease around from his cock, and we must bag that fucker up...but going down on a girl (or a guy!)....oh that is just precious and clean"....may not be an exact quote, but for anyone who read and remembers the post, the same point is there. There were a couple of posters through this thread that admitted being a little hypocritical and/or being honest and upfront with the knowledge that they're not 100% safe. I personally appreciate that. Sincerely. But for the most part, the hypocritical comments thrown around on these forums are astounding. And the only reason I actually give a shit, is because normally after these end, someone has been degraded, or made to feel dirty, when in actuality, they may as well be no more unsafe in safe sex practices, as the accuser... And yes, I'm sure I'll hear the "but wearing a condom lessens the chances of catching an sti (or getting pregnant...you know, if you're 'playing regularly' and aren't on any birth control methods yourself...)" or "putting out hand sanitizer and having wet wipes helps in the prevention of spreading anything..."And you're right. But unless you're participating in EVERY form of safe sex, which none of us are, or completely abstaining from sex, which none of us are, you may as well be trying to roll that 1 in 6 with Blindman... This rant is courtesy of someone who participates in 'safe sex'...just like 'everyone' here. Now excuse me while I quickly duck into my barricade made of condoms, where I'm sure I'll be protected from the backlash of this post... *rolls eyes*
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' What is the difference between the first two? Male to female and Female to male. Same thing, different stats? infection passing from a male to a female, or from a female to a male.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Male to female is the chance of the female getting to from the male and the other is the male getting it from the female. I have included the site if you want clarification, sources and references. All cases involve one person having HIV. HIV infection rates across Australia are 6 per 100,000 people. So having sex with a random has a 0.006% chance of having undiagnosed HIV. Multiply that by the infection rate and the odds of a woman getting HIV from an undiagnosed HIV positive man is 0.00024% So Meeka I am sure you are up to the job if you want to try out HIV you can catch it if you fuck 41,000,000 randoms without a condom, with a certainty of about 95%
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RHP User
9 years ago
I dont think those estimated (key word estimated) figures hold any weight whatsoever. While STDs exist, people should be responsible. This is a public health issue. I dunno - I think those estimated 'stats' have the potential to be very damaging.
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Mischeviouslad
9 years ago
Those stats mean nothing. After all...... "trust" is more powerful than any statistics.Without trust, you se a condom?With trust you don't. Right?!
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RHP User
9 years ago
I know someone who played with those odds and lost. I don't want HIV. Other STI.... Well yeah I have had two and one from a bloke who sounded very much like you and 50zCool actually. Oh well some antibiotics an I am right as rain. Guess what my life didn't end!! Ta da!! So give me a clap everyone. Oh wait... I have had the clap already. :p pS. STI's caught from swingers using a condom. I am unlucky I guess :-/
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RHP User
9 years ago
Everyone knows safe sex is not 100% safe! But you are lesson the odds. *wink wink... Please refer to the stats*
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RHP User
9 years ago
Lesson = lessening.
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RHP User
9 years ago
My point entirely, thanks for commenting and being frank and explicit.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' I would be fascinated to know how men you let cum inside your downstairs hole 50zCool. That's what I want to know. Personally, I think it's easy for blokes to whinge about it because after all they are not likely to get anything by coming in a hole are they? It's the receiver who is taking the much greater risk. I seriously wish I hadn't answered this question, it's none of your damn business and I resent the attempt at shaming. Quoting 'Meeka100'I know someone who played with those odds and lost. I don't want HIV. Other STI.... Well yeah I have had two and one from a bloke who sounded very much like you and 50zCool actually. Oh well some antibiotics an I am right as rain. Guess what my life didn't end!! Ta da!! So give me a clap everyone. Oh wait... I have had the clap already. :p pS. STI's caught from swingers using a condom. I am unlucky I guess :-/ Wow, thanks for tarring me with that brush. You know Meeka100 my point with all this has been to show up the hypocrisy and try and get a bit of a realty check on the unrealistic expectation of the condom. Further, using these expectations as a weapon to shame and belittle others is just crap. There is no perfect solution, everybody makes their own judgment calls, some are reckless, some are prudent. With or without condoms. I'm glad this thread has made some people think, that's what it was for. I am not blindman or anyone else I am 50z and until you or anyone else know me any better play the ball not the man.
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RHP User
9 years ago
DoctorPercivalNice Rant Doc P. SlickzKnowledge is never bad. Ignorance is. Safe sex does not exist. Preaching condoms as safe is the danger because it encourages more risk taking, and decreases testing. Meeka100 Yay for you, HIV is not pleasant for most that catch it, I know this because I talk to people. HIV is not a death sentence in Australia decreasing life expectancy less than smoking does. Sorry you got something, but lucky we live in a time that these things can be cured. I have only ever be ill once (the flu) and generally cant seem to catch a cold in a cold room full of sneezing sick people. Just lucky I guess, well not really, but that's a whole different matter. Stay healthy its good for you. DGAre you not the man that will not even trust a long term lover, yet places all his trust in condoms. You have a strange understanding of trust and what it is. But I trust you will fight to keep your ignorance, in that I have great trust. All you safe sex people fucking like randy bunnies hidden behind a tiny bit of plastic.Get tested for fuck sake you frequently fucking fuckers.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Not shaming at all. That was not my intention, my sincerest apologies if you took it that way. That bloke was saying the same things you were saying... That was my real life experience. As for the other question. The stats are that being a reciever is much more risky. So as a woman, if I was to go with all the blokes who wanted to a with me without a condom my risk is much higher. Higher for me than for them. Higher for blokes who receive as well (hence the question). Blindman's stats prove it. That was the point I was trying to make. Seems like people don't like my comment but I still feel, from my personal view point as a woman, that the risk is more mine than the blokes. You are advocating very strick exclusivity. Which is great, but that is not how lots of people on this site live. So is it really practical for highly promiscuous people? Thanks Blindman. I have a PCO tendencies apparently. Nothing sinister but means I am more prone to infections so my GP tells me. Totally sucks balls. :(
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madotara69
9 years ago
frequently fucking fuckers.
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madotara69
9 years ago
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madotara69
9 years ago
Such a simple question.. 50z, I've been pondering on a psychological theory Mado Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
I agree about the stats, that's what I meant with my post (though far less eloquently). The odds don't matter, they could be one in a thousand and it could still be my unlucky day. Agree, condoms don't eliminate the risk of STI's completely. On top of that I make the choice to have unprotected oral sex with men and women, so I'm certainly not 100% safe, and don't pretend I am. I said I like the wet wipes as they kill quite a few bacteria, but having seen a friend of mine catch chlamydia at a party just from being touched, I'm well aware how easy it is to pass on something from person to person even when vigilant. It's all about informed consent I think, and giving the person you're having sex with enough info to allow them to be able to give that consent. They may want to know nothing, or specific details. When I said I trust my lover I have had unprotected sex with implicitly, I meant that I trust him to be upfront with me about any infections he may have/sex he'd had/potential increased exposure due to to having a condom tear during sex with others, etc. That's something we agreed on, and I do the same for him. It doesn't mean we're expecting the other to be risk-free, just that we can make the informed decision not to use condoms. If we were to catch something from each other, then that would be both our responsibilities. (For me this arrangement would only work with someone who I believed cared more about my and their own well-being than sex.) Hope that makes sense. (And of course I get tested every few months.)
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Mischeviouslad
9 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' DGAre you not the man that will not even trust a long term lover, yet places all his trust in condoms. You have a strange understanding of trust and what it is. But I trust you will fight to keep your ignorance, in that I have great trust. BM... are you not the man that relies upon the results of (a) testing?! And are you not the man who also says you (b) trust your lovers?! So whether we used condoms or not.....after She and I are both tested, and both come up clean...... we would also rely upon this trust to stay clean. And as we know, you place a LOT of weight on trust... and say that (a)+(b) = all good to go! Are you saying trust in people is......flawed?!!Or is your trust of other sexually active people somehow superior to my trust of my monogamous partner?! your argument just = Ooops. However....... the lightbulb you're obviously blind to.....is that in any heterosexual relationship ..... there is more than STIs to consider. The 'dom is pretty effective against pregnancy too, ya'know Oops again.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I was probably a bit more abrupt with that post than I normally would be otherwise. But right now, we have 3 threads going that touch on the subject of safe sex methods. And its not the methods or lack thereof that I have so much against, its the hypocrisy, personal attacks and snide comments (from both sides of the discussion) across all 3 threads. I've seen a few good peoples feelings get hurt through being honest, by people who can't get off their high horse for long enough to realise that any risk is still risk. I don't have a problem with debate, or even a good argument on here. But when someone is chastised or made to feel dirty or ashamed because they don't see or practice the methods 'you' deem necessary (again, on both sides of the discussion), ESPECIALLY when you're being hypocritical, it both saddens and angers me. See, I'm not much of a 'swinger'. I don't do the group thing, I MAY be enticed into playing with the right couple, but for the most part, I prefer 1-on-1 play. And I'm selective. I've said it before, I might play with a handful of new partners a year...on a good year. And only ever after I've gotten to know them, for however long that takes. I know a lot of people here beat that in a night. Regularly. And given the messages I get regularly enough from both singles and couples alike, just a first straight up message asking if I would like to play, how much confidence do you think it gives me in regards to safe sex on here? Even if condoms are always used, it's only part of the battle. We all draw our own lines on this subject, depending on our own level of comfortability and awareness. Lets be a little more respectful towards each other, and if our own personal standards aren't met, just find someone else... And Mea, I liked your post. I agree with every word of it. But this part in particular really stood out;"It's all about informed consent I think, and giving the person you're having sex with enough info to allow them to be able to give that consent. They may want to know nothing, or specific details" Perfect. (Oh, and Meeka, I hope the above is a decent explanation to your reply. It was never about de-risking. Never ever had an issue with that. Just judgement through hypocrisy... )
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RHP User
9 years ago
Assume most Of that is directed at me because your first post was after most of my comments. Don't think anyone else had said much to that point. I don't see it. Question is how do women keep safe from each other. I thought I answered that. And yes, a bit was brought over from the other thread. There are definitely inconsiderate swingers out there when it comes to hygiene. Apologies if you don't like that. I am entitled to have an opinion on the subject since I have attended swinger events which all my responses on all the threads have been about. Swingers and people who have lots of partners.
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madotara69
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' I would be fascinated to know how men you let cum inside your downstairs hole 50zCool. That's what I want to know. Personally, I think it's easy for blokes to whinge about it because after all they are not likely to get anything by coming in a hole are they? It's the receiver who is taking the much greater risk. Is that something you would say to a blokes face, I know if a bloke said that to another bloke, he'd cop a flogging and learn a lesson at the same time.Enough is enough and if that pisses you off, twist it up to however you like and call me a fool. 50z is a nice bloke and did not deserve that shit.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I would 100% say that to a bloke. And I have done lots of times. I am taking the risk, and it's how I feel. You don't have to agree, but when it comes to HIV the receiver is taking the much bigger risk.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I would have said it every time a guy has tried to convince me to have anal sex without a condom. No guy has ever stormed out of the room in a huff or threatened to bash me up before Mado. Maybe you would be the first?
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madotara69
9 years ago
predictable
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RHP User
9 years ago
That is why we don't like each other hey Mado. I think 50zCool would also be asking men this question when he first meets them too.
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madotara69
9 years ago
50z gave you his answer, nothing of the sort
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RHP User
9 years ago
Can we keep this about each other's posts, not characters? Quoting Meeka: "No guy has ever stormed out of the room in a huff or threatened to bash me up before Mado. Maybe you would be the first?" Not cool at all. :-(
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RHP User
9 years ago
Gotta add I do agree with Meeka's comment about the receiver being more at risk when it comes to HIV, and I have and would definitely ask men if they were prepared to let other guys come inside their arse without a condom. What's good for the goose...
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madotara69
9 years ago
I don't know the term to explain what I'm talking about, but there is a respectful way of making a point and there is a smart arse way. Somewhere there is the all empowering personal attack. The only reason we know 50z sexuality is because he has entrusted us by sharing thoughts, using it against him to sway the conversation (off topic) for yet another dig at men. That sort of thing can wear a bloke down after a while. The blokes who don't give a fuck, are off somewhere else and not sharing their selves amongst us. There is a percentage, I don't know what, though apparently significant, that condoms are used as a way for detaching personal emotions with the sex.. just keep it sex only kind of thing and shut out peoples personal feelings by doing so. Bizarre........
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' Somewhere there is the all empowering personal attack. The only reason we know 50z sexuality is because he has entrusted us by sharing thoughts, using it against him to sway the conversation (off topic) for yet another dig at men. I've never seen anyone vilify or insult 50z for his sexuality, nor have I ever seen it used against him. I don't think he got negative responses because of his personal preferences, but his comments about and to others at times. 50z, hope to see you back.
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madotara69
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Quoting 'madotara69' but his comments about and to others at times.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' DoctorPercivalNice Rant Doc P. SlickzKnowledge is never bad. Ignorance is. Safe sex does not exist. Preaching condoms as safe is the danger because it encourages more risk taking, and decreases testing. Fair point. I can agree with that.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Best be asking your G.P. at your next regular check up on this.. because of the action of saliva/stomach acid on viruses. Good old fashioned herpes thrive there hey, and you can never rid yourself of a virus. .hate anyone to wake up with a canetoad on thier lip for thinking that was true. 50z..how can you quote absolutely no women use dams? Thats a bigger stretch than a big dick in a small condom!.. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'mylovehandle' Best be asking your G.P. at your next regular check up on this.. because of the action of saliva/stomach acid on viruses. Good old fashioned herpes thrive there hey, and you can never rid yourself of a virus. .hate anyone to wake up with a canetoad on thier lip for thinking that was true. 50z..how can you quote absolutely no women use dams? Thats a bigger stretch than a big dick in a small condom!.. - Posted from rhpmobile The herpes virus has to enter the body through a break in the skin. I also said the risk was reduced, not eliminated, hence the need for regular testing.
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