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"I <3 Bad Boys *giggle*"...

May 07 2013

... Is a statement/behaviour that has long been in my menagerie of pet hates. Not simply because, past the age of 16, it just becomes a sadder and sadder thing with each passing year for a grown woman to say, not because of the anguish it causes 'nice guys' to hear - fuck them anyway, the passive-aggressive little crybabies - not even because of the sense of entitlement or affirmation it gives the douchebags that identify themselves as such (see Chris Brown - you know, that guy who beat this shit out of his girlfriend).But mostly because of the inevitable follow-up statement, that comes along not too much further down the track:"WHY DO MEN TREAT ME SO BAD!?"Or any related statement like it. I've seen the phenomena here, in my brief time bothering to look around, I've seen it on other forums, I've encountered it a few times in 'real life' - I'm sure most, if not all, of us have. In short, it's a common enough behaviour for most of you to be able to relate to what I'm saying.And in response to this I say: If you make the statement "I <3 Bad Boys", then sorry sweetie YOU DON'T GET TO COMPLAIN WHEN YOU GET TREATED POORLY BY MEN YOU HOOK UP WITH BASED ON THE PREMISE THAT THEY ARE 'BAD'.How this trait got romanticised into the bullshit that it is, I don't fucking know.(At this point, I'd just like to make the clear statement that this is not some secret defence or promotion of 'The Nice Guys'. That statement is just as bullshit - no, you're not a nice guy, you're (in most cases I've seen) just trying to manipulate someone by showering them with attention, compliments and, often, gifts. You are not being yourself, you are being something you think they want you to be, in order to get them to have sex with you, and that is fake-ass bullshit. Be your own man, not some image of a 'nice guy'.)Anyway, back to the original topic.For those of you ladies that have fallen into this trap more than once: They're bad because - wait for it - they're not good people. It's as dumbass simple as that. They treat others badly because they have no respect for others, and are often emotionally stunted to the degree that they don't even know how to treat others well, and with respect. Further, you making the choice to have sex with, or - heaven forfend - get into relationships with such men merely justifies their behaviour, and justifies them treating you in the exact same manner - I mean, after all, it's why you hooked up in the first place isn't it?If there's ONE THING about dating and romance and etcetera that I would change it would be this notion some women get into their heads about how attractive 'bad boys' are. Yes, there are 'scientific' studies that try to provide evolutionary links, but for the love of fuck, don't listen to them - it is just going to make you accept what is plain and simple, a dumbass behaviour, in an "Oh well, I guess I'm just conditioned by nature to do this"sort of way... DO NOT ACCEPT THIS. The 'bad boy' image is something you have been sold, as something that is desirable, so other people can sell leather jackets and cigarettes.You lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.STOP LAYING DOWN WITH DOGS.

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Hi Innerwest123   I agree with you absolutely about the bad boy image and that "some" women are drawn to these guys. There are degrees of "bad boy" though.   IMO the "bad" bit (to me) means someone who is exciting to be with, has a dangerous air of confidence and unpredictability about them. This is just on the exterior but they also have a gentle warm, loving and protective side to their personality that only their partner gets to see and experience. My "ex" was like this. One the outside he was someone you wouldn't want to bump into in a dark alley but to me he was a gentle loving soul, very family orientated and supportive and so exciting and fun to be around. There were no fleas here!   Now the dickheads, are a whole other breed of "bad boy". No one intentionally wants to be treated badly unless they have a submissive personality and have a need to be dominated or abused. I am happy to be corrected here when I say that in some cases, women who have chosen to be with these bad boys may have been either physically or emotionally abused growing up and are drawn to this behaviour because it is familiar to them. A vicious cycle being repeated.   There is a whole lot more to it than just an image or tag "bad boy".   The bad boy on the outside and a nice guy with a hint of kinky on the inside woohoo!   SFxx

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I think the image of bad boy is just that..an image.   Real bad boys are in jail and beat women to a pulp   I think the romatic view is really a man that plays hard to get same as nice girls are the ones that men chase as nice girls play hard to get   the nice girls cunt is hard to get the bad boys heart is hard to get   its the chase, same for men as for women women think they hooked a bad one, the one ,that really is incapable of sharing all of his thoughts and feelings   bad boy know how to seduce a woman good girls know how to get a man to marry them   men or women that treat others in a poor fashion do so as they have no emotional investment in that person   women that form relatiohnships with bad boys are like the roll Nichole Kidman played in paperboy..sad and lost if they just want to fuck bad boys then thats fine but to fall for them is problomatic   bad boys are bad boys till they get pussy whipped   or get old and not so good looking you cant be a bad boy and an ugly fucker as its all about the image that women are fed, womem mistake bad boys for alpha males the two are poles apart, and alpha male can be as ugly as a hat full of arseholes and not give a rats arse what women or anyone else thinks of them   bad boys are weak men and the women who seek them out will grow tied of them when those women grow up, or have kids or get a good case of self esteem   I like alpha males, bad boys are just boys to me. I much prefer a grown man   besides when you see those bad boys in prison, its amazing how small they become inside the walls   some women like them as they now get some drama in their life and something to whine about

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    A bad boy doesn't always have to be a fuckwit right? I prefer sexy boys that are very very naughty. :p

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I hate it when I see strong women I know actually post *giggle* after a comment. I mean who does that once you get past 25?? Until I was with my lover recently and he was making me laugh and it hit me between the eyes. I was giggling. FFS. (⊙_⊙)

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    treat 'em mean,keep em keen is so outdated.Who are these emotionally immature women you are referring to OP? Perhaps you need to hang out with a different group of women.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Be a bad boy. Bitches love bad boys. But seriously, as previously said on a different thread (by DG I believe), women are drawn to bad boys as they usually also possess very attractive qualities. I think confidence and quick wit are the best examples, as well as an uncanny sense of what makes others tick. They're charmers those bad boys! Ever seen the stories on tv where a female prison guard helped excape an inmate from gaol because she thought he was The One? It is not uncommon. Having worked with true bad boys for the last two decades though, I can say the sex appeal wore off very quickly.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I'm laying down with dogs as I'm typing this. Two of them.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I once had a partner who said she was drawn to me because of my evil grin, my bad boy looks and my old fashoined sense of chivalry. I think what she meant by that was, I love your naughty thoughts, your tattoos and that you open my door for me...I think the whole bad boy thing is a load of crap, but I do agree with Sensory's description of her ex. The attraction to someone like that is very easy for me to understand, because it's very similar to what I find attractive in a female partner, just not the scary alley part...well bumping in dark alleys is all good, just not the scary part...and to go with Ms_D, I am currently lying on the floor having my feet warmed by a dogAny

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Quoting 'Ms_Devious' Be a bad boy. Bitches love bad boys. But seriously, as previously said on a different thread (by DG I believe), women are drawn to bad boys as they usually also possess very attractive qualities. I think confidence and quick wit are the best examples, as well as an uncanny sense of what makes others tick. They're charmers those bad boys! Ever seen the stories on tv where a female prison guard helped excape an inmate from gaol because she thought he was The One? It is not uncommon. Having worked with true bad boys for the last two decades though, I can say the sex appeal wore off very quickly.   grooming bad boys groom women to think they cant live without them they serve up a shit sandwich

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Bad boys, whatcha wantWatcha want, whatcha gonna do?When sheriff John Brown come for youTell me whatcha wanna do, whatcha gonna do?Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do?Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do?Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?When you were eight and you had bad traitsYou go to school and learn the golden ruleSo why are you acting like a bloody fool?If you get hot, you must get coolBad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do?Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do?Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?FOXY

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Give me a good man any day! That's the difference, bad boys are just that... boys. Immature, narcissistic, and once you get over their manipulative nature, not very nice or interesting to be around. I think there is the romanticised hollywood version of the "bad boy" who has an inner good nature, he's bad to others, but not to his girl, and in Hollywood the girl usually reforms him and turns him into a respectable guy. In real life, if they're bad guys, they'll treat you like shit and they won't change. Best to avoid them outright if you want a happy life, to be respected and treated well by your man.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    how we remember the so called bad boys of history... such as .Lord Byron... he drove women wild with passion,even his half sister....Cassanova,although he only had sexual encounters with 120 women,a small number in RHP terms... Who are the men who were faithful to their wives and were virgins when they married?Why are they not lauded,written about,celebrated,I guess that bitch history just loves to consort with fleas.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Innerwest123 I agree 100% and think they the I will say women on here or most any where judge too many of us guys by they body shape and image and not by the heart and soul - Posted from rhpmobile

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    ... I've taken this into a far more rant-y vein than it deserves, just for the sake of provoking response - and it's great to see the usual suspects gracing my post with their collective presence.As for the women in my life... I'd have to say that overall, I've been very fortunate with the women I've had relationships or otherwise with. I can honestly say that I don't think I have a single woman that I've been with enough to know them well has been anything short of a genuinely awesome person. In this regard, I consider myself very fortunate.However, we do all have friends that fall into the broad, very broad, sort of category I've gone into in the post. Girls - not women - who continually find themselves with boys - not men - who treat them poorly. The same women make cutsie-pie little giggly comments about bad boys, and it's always just made me almost retch to hear.As it's been said by someone else here, a statement made by Oprah (or more accurately, her writers): "You teach people how to treat you" is of utmost relevance in this situation.Personally I think the term 'Bad Boy' does not do justice to the person you women are describing, as it sorta feels like, collectively, you're describing some mixture of James Dean, George Clooney, Batman, and some more James Dean, with Brad Pitt's (when he was in Fight Club) abs.I question this entities' existence.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    call it HISstory for nuthin'.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    LMAO!.....seems we can all enjoy a little giggle every now and then. Quoting 'Meeka100'I hate it when I see strong women I know actually post *giggle* after a comment. I mean who does that once you get past 25?? Until I was with my lover recently and he was making me laugh and it hit me between the eyes. I was giggling. FFS. (⊙_⊙)

  • Mischeviouslad

    Mischeviouslad

    12 years ago

    Oh come on miss TR......thats a bit harsh. Sure, "some" bad boys may groom women.... but then so do good boys, or, they TRY, with deliberately nice behaviour, gifts, acts and service to try and gain her affection. But this most often fails because it simply isn't how Attraction works. And women do their own share 'grooming' of men you know. You are masters at using your sexuality as a lure..... So I'm not accepting the one sided critique. Women cry about/over the bad boy because he makes her react so strongly to him, emotionally.... and she can't tame or control him.... which is the very spirit she is drawn to in the first place. And men whine about the bad boy because it's perceived that he gets "all the girls". Truth is, thats an excuse offered by weak men. He doesn't get all the girls, and the ones he does get are often low in self esteem if they keep repeating the pattern of destruction over such men. What is even less appealing to women, is a whingey man. So rather than whinge about what youre not getting allegedly because of the bad boy types, take the time to learn what it is that women are drawn to in the bad boy.... and give that to them, WITHOUT the negatives he makes her suffer. Give her the emotional triggers and response, without hitting her hard with the negative aspect that makes her feel like crap and full of self loathing bad boys inevitably do. And yes..... it can be learned. You'll be giving women what they crave, and enriching BOTH of your lives in the process. :-) DG

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Quoting 'Mischeviouslad'Oh come on miss TR......thats a bit harsh. Sure, "some" bad boys may groom women.... but then so do good boys, or, they TRY, with deliberately nice behaviour, gifts, acts and service to try and gain her affection.   TR was specifically talking about the men in gaol, not "bad boys" in general. And she's right about the grooming, child abusers do exactly the same thing. A different subject than what OP was talking about, I just brought up inmates to make a comperison.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Quoting 'Ms_Devious' Quoting 'Mischeviouslad'Oh come on miss TR......thats a bit harsh. Sure, "some" bad boys may groom women.... but then so do good boys, or, they TRY, with deliberately nice behaviour, gifts, acts and service to try and gain her affection.   TR was specifically talking about the men in gaol, not "bad boys" in general. And she's right about the grooming, child abusers do exactly the same thing. A different subject than what OP was talking about, I just brought up inmates to make a comperison.   And vastly more serious topic than this one.This is really just about the - as I see it - silly women who actively pursue 'bad boys', and then complain when they are treated badly, later on.Men do the exact same thing, of course, but this is about the male perspective of female behaviour, because thats what I know/care about enough to write a post on!

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    I sprinkle extra chocolate topping on my ice cream.I laugh at kids when they drop their ice cream in public and start to cry!I eat the whole pack of tim tams.Badboys are a figment of peoples imagination ,everyone of us has done bad in our life.No one is a saint,we all drop our guards and lower our moral compass.Women are not silly for falling for a so called badboy. They just want to experience something different.OP if you have not noticed women complain about everything ,its a woman's right to complain and us men don't do ourself's any favours in giving women ammo to complain about our actions.Winge on women ,i still love you !

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    are just too bad.

  • Mischeviouslad

    Mischeviouslad

    12 years ago

    So...... when did the topic get the haircut??? DG

  • Weaponofmass

    Weaponofmass

    12 years ago

    What a great topic to discuss! After reading the initial forum then the subsequent responses I can see both sides of the spectrum. But the core of this is that some women are attracted to the "image" of the "bad boy"! The drugs, the partying, the motorbikes, the rough and tough exterior! But once they are in these relationships and they become abusive either physically or emotionally, most of the time the woman becomes more a possession that is too scared to leave and is therefore trapped out of fear or have been degraded so much that they have lost all self esteem and dignity to the point that they think they actually deserve it...But that's just it, NO one has the right to abuse their partner on any level! Women need to be loved and respected end if story! So to all those women that state they're looking for a "bad boy", I'd say be careful what you wish for, cause you might just get more "bad" in the boy then you counted on! You're better off running a mile...in the opposite direction!- Posted from rhpmobile

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Quoting 'Weaponofmass' What a great topic to discuss! After reading the initial forum then the subsequent responses I can see both sides of the spectrum. But the core of this is that some women are attracted to the "image" of the "bad boy"! The drugs, the partying, the motorbikes, the rough and tough exterior! But once they are in these relationships and they become abusive either physically or emotionally, most of the time the woman becomes more a possession that is too scared to leave and is therefore trapped out of fear or have been degraded so much that they have lost all self esteem and dignity to the point that they think they actually deserve it...But that's just it, NO one has the right to abuse their partner on any level! Women need to be loved and respected end if story! So to all those women that state they're looking for a "bad boy", I'd say be careful what you wish for, cause you might just get more "bad" in the boy then you counted on! You're better off running a mile...in the opposite direction!- Posted from rhpmobile Yeah basically for me, this situation really comes down to a personal responsibility issue - on one hand you have some people saying "I REALLY LIKE PLAYING WITH FIRE LOL", then turning around and saying "OW WHY AM I BEING BURNED ITS SO UNFAIR" a bit further down the track.On the other, you have a clear romaticisation of the "bad boy", where its more of an idea or better yet, a fantasy, that some allow themselves to indulge in, which is really just a type of role-playing where an actually-respectful guy is just playing at being 'naughty' or 'dangerous', and just when one feels requires him - or demands him - to, he then takes off that persona and buys them flowers and walks their dog, and gets on with their mum, and is just an all-around awesome dude (who looks great on a motorcycle), when then leads to other women chasing this fantasy and going for guys based solely on some ideal that probably doesnt even really exist, and then in turn wondering what went wrong later, as a result of their search criteria being based around some romantic notion of 'bad', or the even more misleading 'naughty'...

  • Mischeviouslad

    Mischeviouslad

    12 years ago

    Mr Innerwest....You invest a LOT of time in your posts.....and I do enjoy them as you clearly put some thought into what you write.So, because this topic started off as a bit of a rant, I have to believe that its a topic that is important and most likely relevant enough to you to invest so much in it.But.... why?!Why are you so bothered about the bad boys, and the women who are drawn to them and complain about the inevitable result?!!!!DG

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' Mr Innerwest....You invest a LOT of time in your posts.....and I do enjoy them as you clearly put some thought into what you write.So, because this topic started off as a bit of a rant, I have to believe that its a topic that is important and most likely relevant enough to you to invest so much in it.But.... why?!Why are you so bothered about the bad boys, and the women who are drawn to them and complain about the inevitable result?!!!!DG ----DG, I can't stress how way off base you are with this 'analysis'. To explain: I write for a living. I write quickly and (mostly) well. This post, for example, took me around 5 minutes to write. I did not, as you are trying to say, pour my widdle heart and soul into it - I sat down, had a vague topic in mind and bashed it out. Here's where I get pretentious, so excuse me: It being a rant is - and again, I can't stress this highly enough - A STYLISTIC CHOICE. I assume a voice like this in this post and others as a LITERARY DEVICE. A device that is intended to, hopefully, create an impact upon the reader, thus causing them to be interested enough to read all the way through, and - even more hopefully - be humourous while doing so. I have not 'invested' so much of myself in doing so, it is a writing style I established over many years and hundreds, and hundreds of blog posts elsewhere. It is an affectation.There is not some deep-seated, underlying, profound rage issue, or the remotest sense of genuine anger.IT IS MANUFACTURED ANGER FOR THE PURPOSE OF STORYTELLING. Ok?Now, can we just move on, and discuss the topic, please? Because, despite my explanation, I am genuinely interested in peoples responses to the topic, and like discussing them, as I find discussion - and also argument - itself interesting.Thank you for your concern.

  • RHP

    RHP User

    12 years ago

    ... because its a little bit of fun, and some writing that is just for the hell of it, which is a nice distraction.A few people have expressed that they've enjoyed my words, so I've been continuing with it.that's the answer.