M73
I don't want this to be a poor me story........
April 18 2016
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm so sorry to hear this! Are you talking about intimate interaction without being able to follow through or just chat? My answer to both of those is, you're still a person and a very nice one at that. If I started chatting to someone who has health problems, even severe ones, it wouldn't sway whether I continue to interact with them or not because I like to look under the surface and it's that spark of personality that gets me going. You have a big bang of personality, and a very cheeky one at that (I mean that in a good way). Nothing has changed here and hopefully we'll eventually be in the same place at the same time with a little time up our sleeves for another one of the chats over coffee xXxXx
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RHP User
9 years ago
Well said!
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AnnieWhichway
9 years ago
I'm not being flippant. And i dont pretend to know the confronting feelings you are going through. But surgery will most likely save your life. You will be able to see the sunrise and sunsets. You will be able to smell spring. Well you have a big chance to at least I have known many people that have lost their lives to disease/cancer and am sure would have traded their sexuality for another chance of life. So try not to look at the loss of the functionality. There is so much more to life that you should fight for. My thoughts and best wishes to you Lovman. I hope for a good outcome for you. Hope i conveyed a positive message too you. That was the intent but maybe I'm not so good at it. Annie
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RHP User
9 years ago
Isn't the be all and end all. Physically - fingers and tongue can do an amazing job, and a chat & laugh after is also a big part of it. I wish you all the best with treatment, keep smiling 😍 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
It takes guts to post your diagnosis and I take my hat of to you (although it's not as cool as the one in your profile pic) 😉 I'm sorry you got horrible news. And will be thinking of you in the coming months. But my first thought is - concentrate on getting that fucker out! And then you can worry about the aftermath. My suggestions is to keep thinking as your sexy self. And if you happen to lose function, although I can't imagine how that would be - you will get through this. For most of us classy, sexy, intelligent women - remember sexy is a state of mind. And unless they are cutting out your brain you have so much more to offer than you having a hard cock. You have your cerebral assets along with a mouth and hands. Take care and I hope they get all of that sucker out for you! X
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Missb4u
9 years ago
Lovman there is so much more to sexuality and being sexually fulfilled then just pentration with a penis. I can't imagine how you feel or what you are going through. I do hope you are ok.
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sweetgem
9 years ago
Lovman8 for your upcoming journey of recovery from a nasty challenge! It is already shocking to hear that someone has such cancer, let alone being the person that receives the diagnosis! Be strong and fight it with strength! 🙏🏼💪🏽 If I had been interacting with someone for a while, I would pretty much call him a friend and it is a friend's thing that you don't just cut the communication and interaction out simply because he has been diagnosed with a nasty illness! Therefore, I would still see him and if the mood is right, why not I say, as I know he would not just leave me hanging there unsatisfied?! 😊 I would not feel a need for stopping being friends is my answer. - Posted from rhpmobile
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PatchworkGirl
9 years ago
Big, giant, squishy, heartfelt hugs to you. And in repaonse to your question? If I were to meet a man, and we connected, but he wasn't able to participate in intercourse in the traditional way, I'd be more than happy to explore other options. :-) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
bugger it, I'm gonna wreck the keypad now. I've been sitting here with fingers on the keypad, not knowing what to say, so here I am, still not knowing what to say. Shit, will that do? You know how much I care for you. I've been flirting with you incessantly for as long as I can remember and I'm now fucking crying my eyes out. God I'm so sorry xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
You are one of the most respectful guys to talk to..... xx My brother was diagnosed with cancer in his 30a. He was given a 50/50 chance of survival but here he is 12 years later living a wonderful life. Face this battle with the strength of character we see on here. And as for the other issue........just like the others have said, theres more to sex than penis penetration. Lots more ....xxxxx
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RHP User
9 years ago
a big, giant, squishy, heartfelt hug from me too xx I'll come back and answer your other question
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RHP User
9 years ago
Thats shit news. And thank you for wanting to share it with us. Hopefully we can be a diversion and cheer you up and cheer you on, when you need it. I suppose its normal to straight away focus on your sexuality in this case, and worry that your life will change and even greive that you will change. You have always beeen a big happy flirt on here, and I cant see that changing. And it shouldnt have to change. So I wont be changing how I interact with you, but I will offer my support if you need it. Focus on getting healthy and we can sort your willy out later. 😜
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RHP User
9 years ago
I have dated a guy who had cancer, was the hardest thing we both had to go through, unfortunately they found his to late and he ended up passing away 15 months later :(. This taught me a very valuable lesson, not everything is about sex. As he got worse, he lost his sex drive. It didn't bother me though, i was just glad to be able to sit and hug him and be able to talk to him. You will get through this, surgery will save your life, and who knows you may be able to enjoy a long and healthy sex drive afterwards. Huge hugs xx
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MsJonesy
9 years ago
I have a friend who underwent the same surgery early December. Post op tests showed the cancer hadn't spread so he has been able to concentrate on recovery. I won't sugar coat that he has struggled with the loss of function, and it has taken many discussions with myself (platonic friend these days) and his girlfriend for him to really understand and accept that when a woman says penetration is only one part of sex she really does mean it. It may change the way you think about sex, it may change the way you actually 'play', but that is not a bad thing in itself. When you think about it, we are programmed to think that we have a bit of fun, which leads to foreplay and the finale is penetration. Doesn't have to be that way at all.....there are a myrad of ways to bring and receive pleasure which are not reliant on a cock in a vagina.
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Lovinit28andKC72
9 years ago
Sending lots of hugs and kisses Lovman. First and foremost you have to do what's best for you and your health. I can't even imagine how confronting it all is for you right now. For me the connection with someone means far more than anything else and that's what makes everything fall into place. ❤️
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RHP User
9 years ago
And best wishes to you Lovman for the journey you face There is so much more to sex and intimacy than penetration. - Posted from rhpmobile
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ruby_blossum
9 years ago
the sum of your life is more than an erection. I have known a few men in your position...including my Dad. My thoughts...if the woman -women you are with are aware of the situation and they like you, they will know there are many ways to pleasure without penile penetration. My suggestion....for now, just think about yourself, concentrate on the positives in life and I wish you a speedy recovery.
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RHP User
9 years ago
But it sounds like you are hitting it head on, which I respect a lot. Takes courage.
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RHP User
9 years ago
composed myself, I'm back to address your question about sexual function. What I have to say here is 100% how it is for me. I don't orgasm like most women, I don't need penetration. Having said that, I do sometimes squirt during penetration BUT I need to be manually stimulated with tongue and fingers and/or bullet vibe to really squirt and orgasm properly. Let me break it down, 2 main orgasms I have, I'll explain them below. This is NOT an opportunity for me to brag, it's to highlight how penetration isn't required, at least for me. I don't care if this is a long winded post, anyone who doesn't want to read it, so be it, this for the lovman 1) Okay so I'll start with the virginal/squirting orgasm. This I don't do by myself, always in company and I need not only tongue/fingers stimulation, but the feeling of being with a guy, if that makes sense. I can make myself squirt, but I don't orgasm with it, that only happens with a guy. Like to be orally pleasured, following all the initial kissing, chemistry on a good day lol so then orally pleasured, doesn't take me long, put two fingers in, feel up for the gspot and tease that, then they vigorously flick up with their fingers. I feel the rush building up, lean back and moan loudly, happens quickly, they have me squirting everywhere. Noisy, messy, so long as the guy either has done it before, or follows my guide, it bloody rocks, and this gets repeated, well hopefully if I have a giving partner. About half a minute between each orgasm, on it goes, bed gets soaked, I'm a VERY happy girl. Quite often, I can't wait to get into his pants so head that way lol and give him some fun, but while I'm doing that, they quite often make me squirt again, especially with gagging. It's full on and awesome. But here's the thing, penetration isn't the biggy for me. I like it, sometimes, but it doesn't always have to happen. I wrote a post not so long ago about one of my long term fb's. We almost always only did oral and in the ranking order, I put him at number 2 lol He knew how to get me off, and I knew how to get him off, penetration I think only happened once from memory. So finding sexual partners who orgasm like I do, should hopefully go someway to relieving your worry about sex without penetration, read on, the next one is even better 2) Okay, this is the holy grail for me. Solo I have a different orgasm and have to try not to squirt. Hard to explain but if I squirt, it reduces the intensity of this other orgasm when it sets off. So anyway, it's mostly external play, little tease of the gspot every so often, but I try not to overdo that, knowing I'll end up squirting. Otherwise, I start with my fingers, bit of oil if I'm not properly aroused yet, usually watching porn or have a guy on the phone, my clit is really sensitive so I go all around it and underneath, then crank up my bullet vibe and finish off with that, but still build up so not to get there too quick. Then I go hard at the clit, vigorously with the bullet, pull my legs right up, edge a bit, then let it go, and then it all explodes from my clit, around my pussy, abdomen, up through my body, rushes up to my brain. Muscle contractions down my legs follow and the aftershock or waves flow through for quite some time. It's really intense and quite often now, puts me to sleep. No penetration required. I can do this with my period. The stimulation can all be external. Important to see here with my orgasms that this isn't a sacrifice for me, it's my preferred way to orgasm. So to answer your question about how I'd feel, it wouldn't effect me one bit. That being said, I don't think there are many women who orgasm like I do. There are however other options for internally stimulating women, come to the vegie section with me one day Now that would be me sorted, VERY sorted, so then we look at YOU and your satisfaction. I just did a quick google on prostate, forgive my ignorance, I know little about it. But on the face of it, it depends whether they save the nerves, what type of operation you have, treatment and how you are after the event, lots of variables. I don't want to get into the technical side of it, because you would know all of that, and much of it you won't know for quite some time after the operation. I did read though, that the brain part of the orgasm is quite often just as intense as before, even after radical surgery. I don't know about you, but if that can be achieved, with various kinds of stimulation, then the actual erection and ejaculation, though something all men are used to, doesn't seem to be required to achieve the last part of the orgasm. Or at least, that was just a quick read. Point is, for me personally, if that happened, I'd be throwing my hands in the air going 'thank fucking God'. First things first though. Like DP said, get through the surgery/treatment and get well first. I strongly believe people who are very sexual will always find a way to engage the brain, the rest is just whatever we decide to do on the day for fun, sensation, visual stimulation, jelly wrestling lol working together in ways to have both partners satisfied. Please don't think I'm making light of your situation, my heart is breaking for you, but if you have any problems post surgery, you come and see I_touch
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RHP User
9 years ago
Best wishes for a speedy recovery big guy :) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
how awful for you, so sorry to hear. I'm sure there will still be women who are completely okay with it ...take care of yourself x
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm with all the positivity offered above. Much love. Peachy
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RHP User
9 years ago
I hope all goes well and you have a speedy recovery Q
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RHP User
9 years ago
than what's already been said, other than to let you know I am so sorry to hear of your diagnosis. Just concentrate on getting yourself well and lean on family and friends. xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
I am the wife of a gorgeous man (like yourself) who has lost his kidney to cancer! Though not prostrate cancer, it has impacted our sex life and we continue on OUR road to a healthy sex life, BUT he is more than his penis! He is a vibrant man, with an infectious personality, wicked sense of humour and we have explored lots of other sexy options that don't have to include penetration! We also have sexy friends (who are incredible btw) who never pressure hubby and if things 'don't work' they still make him feel sexy and ensure he doesn't miss out on the intimacy. The road ahead to total physical recovery may be a long one gorgeous but you are a sexy man! Your mind, hands and tongue are incredible tools, as is an embrace, a touch .... The possibilities are endless for physical intimacy! Please take care of yourself ... Much love to you and your partner ...because cancer affects everyone! Mary xx
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lovman8
9 years ago
Thank you so much for all the messages and positive thoughts and love and concern. The last three days have been an emotional roller coaster for me, but at the moment I am feeling very positive and hopeful and all the support I have received here is a big part of that. Thanks again ,you sexy lot!
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RHP User
9 years ago
Hi All the best with it and my mate went through this very recently and it will take a lot of intestinal fortitude by you to get through it ,be strong mate and after reading what the ladies have said I am sure their words will get you through the sex part of your thoughts ,main thing as you know is to get through what you have to first ,recover and enjoy life
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RHP User
9 years ago
first of all - wishing you all the best to the treatment- fingers crossed it will be successful and bearable But to answer your question - and I might cause some shock waves here... I would consider playing with a man who has great interest in sex but cannot follow through with an intercourse - I reckon there are a fair number of these relationships out there in the kinky world of master-sub...where the goal is not intercourse but pleasure via other means. After all - our BRAINS are just as (if not more) important in pleasure than our genitals. Here is hoping the sunny side of life will shine on you once you through with this all - best of luck
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RHP User
9 years ago
Hi lovman8... have a look at the Michael Mosley documentary that was on the ABC last night... catch it on iView... It was about Medical Tests. It points out some facts about Prostate and other forms of cancer... you can often go on for long periods without major surgery etc... and live to die of something else... we are all going one day.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I am so sorry to hear this... I wish you all the very best for your upcoming treatment and the journey ahead for you. I love your posts on here, they so often bring a smile to my face. In regards to your question, as many have already said there are so many options for intimacy that don't rely on an erection. That part of your life definitely need not be over.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I am so sorry to hear this... I wish you all the very best for your upcoming treatment and the journey ahead for you. I love your posts on here, they so often bring a smile to my face. In regards to your question, as many have already said there are so many options for intimacy that don't rely on an erection. That part of your life definitely need not be over.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Sorry for double post, my stupid laptop decided to turn itself off just as I posted.
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PurePeony
9 years ago
lovman, the news is pretty devastating. I hope you have a supportive network of family and friends to help you tide through this rough period. I wish you the best outcome during your surgery, and a speedy recovery. Sex isn't the be-all and end-all and is just one aspect of intimacy. I've actually remained faithful in a relationship where the man wasn't able to perform and although it is hard, it is not impossible. Communication is the key to maintaining a relationship through trying circumstances and in our case, it wasn't the lack of sex that killed the relationship but the serious lack of communication. You will not be less of a man because of this issue. No one gets to choose the sickness(es) we get struck down with and sometimes, illnesses can bring down titans as well. I hope that the hospital will provide follow-up counselling sessions to assist you. If not, please ask to be on the program. I've always enjoyed your sense of humour. And you are a very authentic person. ;) I wish you well and hope to see your posts again after your recovery. Take care! You can survive this.
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Seachange
9 years ago
I am not going to make it a long-winded post to take away the spotlight on the matter but a short one to convey my best wishes to you. Cancer is a horrible disease and it took my father away from us when I was younger. To answer your question, there are many ways to please a woman and not all is related to penile penetration. I would say a lot of women cum via oral (with men who know how to do it, take their time to do it and enjoy doing it) and you still have your fingers. being upfront and honest about it with future partners would help in alleviating the pressure on sex. May you have a good recovery. best wishes in the future.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I think these two strong attributes of yours will help you get through this challenge.I have heard the like bowel cancer prostate cancer is a cancer you can die with rather than from. My father in law beat bowel cancer and died with prostate cancer, it was the third cancer which brought him down.Stay strong and please accept my best wishes for the future.
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RHP User
9 years ago
All the very best. Life will change for you I am sure, but as all the women have said you will still be a sexy love machine! Sometimes I feel people put too much emphasis on the penetration and nowhere near enough time on the forplay. Imagine... You will be can become the master forplayer. Sending all positive energy your way. xxx
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Mr_MrsAraps
9 years ago
Can't imagine how hard the roller coaster is but as everyone has said so eloquently, as a person your more than the sum of your parts and if the worse happens you will still be able to give pleasure your hands, tongue brains etc. Also lesbian or bisexual women are just as able to satisfy a women and have all kinds of loving relationships and there is not a single cock in sight there. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Mr_MrsAraps
9 years ago
Can't imagine how hard the roller coaster is but as everyone has said so eloquently, as a person your more than the sum of your parts and if the worse happens you will still be able to give pleasure your hands, tongue brains etc. Also lesbian or bisexual women are just as able to satisfy a women and have all kinds of loving relationships and there is not a single cock in sight there. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Mstr_Full' Hi lovman8... have a look at the Michael Mosley documentary that was on the ABC last night... catch it on iView... It was about Medical Tests. going to iView to catch up on it now....Thanks for the reminder
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RHP User
9 years ago
Sorry to hear of your diagnosis. It's a subject that's close to my heart. Sending you healing thoughts and my best wishes for a quick recovery. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Nowukas
9 years ago
I can’t even begin to imagine the effect, news of this magnitude can have on a person, but I don’t think I would be wrong in saying that you have the love and support and well wishes from a lot of caring friends and family and fellow RHP friends also. Which will be a massive benefit on your road to recovery. I do love the fact that you haven’t even begun treatment, and your already keen to organise post treatment dates with some lovely ladies! That is one hell of a sex drive you’ve got there! I just want you to know that I am positive that you will not have any trouble finding many a willing lovely lady on RHP that will jump at the chance to engage in Cerebral foreplay with you, and most certainly the even more pleasurable physical kind. As a sufferer from Anxiety I have always been too shy to talk to people (despite what people think when they meet me lol) but having recently been introduced to the swinging community, I have found swingers (and also non swingers, just not as many lol) to be some of the most genuine, easy going, understanding and accommodating people you will ever come across. So chatting to them is like you are chatting to a mate you’ve known for years! Which is not always a good thing, as I then tend to unleash my rather warped sense of humour on them, and let’s just say, it leaves a few people a bit shocked and possibly even a little bit mentally disturbed hahahaha. So many ladies on here get fed up with the one liners of “Hey let’s fuck” that they love to find someone like yourself that is after more than just the prize at the end. If you love the anticipation, cerebral foreplay, and foreplay as much as I do, then Loveman8 you are going to be inundated with lovely ladies that will want your mind and body! I hope your tongue and fingers are as active as your sex drive, because you are going to need them to be on their A game mister. Your front door is about to get knocked down by a thousand lovely ladies all fighting to get some mental and physical foreplay! I hope you’re up to it. If you need any help, then by all means send out an SOS to the Wonderful Wuka of Aus, and I will come to your aid! I wish you all the best in your upcoming treatment and hope you have a speedy recovery. There will be no shortage of volunteers waiting to nurse you back to health 😉😈. So recover fast, and recover strong and carry on with your upbeat outlook on life and with the support of so many caring people, you will kick this cancers ass! My outlook is, Your pleasure is mine! Sorry lovman8, don't mean to scare you, that comment is referred to the ladies hahaha 😅😅😅😅😅 Take care and all the best wishes go out to you from Wuka World!
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm coming in every day to give you a hug and tell you some bullshit information about my day. Tonight, I got home after a fierce walk (all know the motivation there ), a quick plunge in the ocean, love that, and made myself a homemade hamburger. Assembled it, looked like the leaning tower, burger, egg, avocado, tomato, red onion, lettuce, left over sweet potato chips from grill'd, mayo and barbecue sauce. It was huge but I was starving, it barely hit the sides. Miss piggy here. THEN followed up with a chokito all washed down with scotch and diet coke. Perfect end to the day. xx
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happy0450
9 years ago
1. Several friends in medicine would say, privately - get at least two opinions. Many oncologists have a particular preference with respect to treatment, not necessarily the optimal for you. 2. Many times I've thought - right, with the judgement and agression this is the last time I read forums, and then there is a post like yours, and an out-pouring of support, and suddenly it does feel like a community. Lastly, as the NZ Maori say - Kia kaha - Stay Strong. Anthony
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RHP User
9 years ago
Just mwah! 💋💋 Mary xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
I wish you muchly strength on your path lovman, and hope you have good hugs or a supportive shoulder for those days your strength is waning. But if you have to be retired from being a DOM (dirty ole man), you might have to be laterally located to KOB, or OSP (Kinky Ole Bugger - with loads of toys) (Oral Sex Provider) Remuneration and benefits contingent on your eagerness to learn, current skill set and experience.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Im really sorry to hear of your diagnosis 😯 I think most have missed the point on this. we all know that you dont need a penis to please a woman. Im sure your biggest fear/worry is are you going to feel pleasure again. I have had a friend/lover who has had his prostate removed due to cancer. i didn't meet him till after this and yes he did have issues with getting or maintaining an erection but we seemed to click and the more comfortable he became with me the easier it was for him to get aroused. Was it the way it was before for him? Absolutely not! But I think it became more intimate between us because of this. And believe me, hes the best lover Ive ever had. I think it comes down to trust. You have to have complete trust and understanding in your partner to achieve it. My friend can also orgasm (but not ejaculate of course) at times. It takes more/different stimulation and He says its a totally different feeling to before but can be quite intense. Of course he still mourns the fact that he doesn't ejaculate as it is a huge part of being a man but we both believe hes a better more considerate lover because of what hes gone through. I wish you luck going through this and at the end may you find the perfect special friend to help you get back into the 'swing' of things, excuse the pun 😜 p.s. google orgasms after lose of prostate, its quite interesting 😉
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RHP User
9 years ago
Thanks Mary 😘 I love this man. He's so kind and special, and a DOM dirty old man haha I love that. That makes me a DOW doesn't quite have the same ring to it. But thanks xx
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buckfuddy68
9 years ago
Sorry to hear about what you are and what you will have to go through,Good luck with it all and if you ever want a bloke to chat to drop me a line
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RHP User
9 years ago
laterally located, I like that, and I think an OSP would be in heavy demand
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RHP User
9 years ago
well another I_touch leaning tower burger tonight, cooked an extra one last night Took some time to assemble this masterpiece. Much quicker devouring it, I suck my food in sometimes without breathing, kinda reminds me of something else I do followed by, yep, a chokito (on special this week and my favourite chocolate) and washed down with more scotch luvya lovmanxx
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RHP User
9 years ago
me again I was err heeerrm busy tonight, starving after 2 hours of sex and 3 hours of washing bedlinen but good sex always involves forethought and foreplay, the forethought was a box of hot & spicy KFC to refuel after the big event back to tuna and raw vegetables tomorrow xx
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lovman8
9 years ago
I am impressed but more washing time than fucking time doesn't seem the right balance to meQuoting 'I_touch_myself2' me again I was err heeerrm busy tonight, starving after 2 hours of sex and 3 hours of washing bedlinen but good sex always involves forethought and foreplay, the forethought was a box of hot & spicy KFC to refuel after the big event back to tuna and raw vegetables tomorrow xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
hugs and thinking of you xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
I just did a post without any food in it xx
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lovman8
9 years ago
But thoughts of food never enter my mind!!Quoting 'I_touch_myself2' I just did a post without any food in it xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'I_touch_myself2' I just did a post without any food in it xx Was it food which made the bed linen so dirty?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Rantallion' Quoting 'I_touch_myself2' I just did a post without any food in it xx Was it food which made the bed linen so dirty? not exactly food, rather liquid, my ejaculate is a liquid beverage though, or my guy thought so
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RHP User
9 years ago
reply with quote was working but can't get it to work now. Anyway, as you are the guru, I'll take your advice on board and next time I'll try harder to adjust the balance. 3 hrs of sex and 2 hrs washing bedlinen baby steps, work up to 5 hrs of sex and throw the bedlinen in the bin after 5 hrs, might have to throw the mattress out as well xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
on the food thing, see I'm back to food again a while back, a guy started a topic. I checked out his pictures and he was a kindred spirit, just about every picture had food in it, or in his hand, burger, subway, whatever. Then I think the entire thread was just he and I talking about food lol asked him what was in his subway and it started from there xx
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0z_boy
9 years ago
dont think I know you but you never know.I did live in Stawell many moons ago and if you were there at the time, then I more than likely would have regularly emptied your rubbish bins as I worked with a good mate of mine who had the garbos contract for the town for a few years.Some funny stories there mate and Ooohh la la some sexy ladies scampering out in their skimpies asking for a hand with the bin was a regular highlight for us :DAnyway mate all the best with your recovery and I wish you well. Ps hey not being a smartarse but wouldnt a strap-on be an acceptable alternative?
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RHP User
9 years ago
awfully quiet in here, you can hear a pin drop, I'll sort that out, I'm like a bull in a china shop actually it's peaceful here, good place to just hang out, chill for a bit Hope you're doing well, knowledge is power as they say, as you go into this, it will be less scary when you have all the facts in front of you. Meantime you have a lot of love and support xx
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RHP User
9 years ago
it posted once only, now there are two here? Been happening a lot, but one always seems to disappear so I'll see what happens, sorry
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RHP User
9 years ago
see, now one post has gone, you're all gonna think I've gone mad
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