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I may not know art but I know what I like.

April 03 2012

Recently, things I've been doing around the house have made me feel artistic and things said by tuscanred, both in posts on this forum and a couple of private messages between us, has had me thinking about what qalifies as art. I've built a garden arbour from scratch, without drawn up plans, as a gate house to our property. Along one side of our driveway, I've built a dry stone wall after looking up the construction techniques on the net and I've commenced a second on the other side. I've created breast plates, shields and helmets out of papier mache as toys for my children (surprisingly, they've stood up well). I looked up 'art' on the dictionary. art1    /ɑrt/ Show Spelled<ahrt> Show IPA noun 1. the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance. 2. the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings: a museum of art; an art collection. 3. a field, genre, or category of art: Dance is an art. 4. the fine arts collectively, often excluding architecture: art and architecture. 5. any field using the skills or techniques of art: advertising art; industrial art. EXPAND 6. (in printed matter) illustrative or decorative material: Is there any art with the copy for this story? 7. the principles or methods governing any craft or branch of learning: the art of baking; the art of selling. 8. the craft or trade using these principles or methods. 9. skill in conducting any human activity: a master at the art of conversation. 10. a branch of learning or university study, especially one of the fine arts or the humanities, as music, philosophy, or literature. 11. arts, a. ( used with a singular verb ) the humanities: a college of arts and sciences. b. ( used with a plural verb ) liberal arts. 12. skilled workmanship, execution, or agency, as distinguished from nature. 13. trickery; cunning: glib and devious art. 14. studied action; artificiality in behavior. 15. an artifice or artful device: the innumerable arts and wiles of politics. 16. Archaic . science, learning, or scholarship. I still don't completely understand what art is but apparently my creations aren't art. What do you consider to be art? I definitely want to hear from you, Tuscan. What does any of this have to do with sex, you ask??? Well, ...nothing really...

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  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Actually art and sex go hand in hand. Look at all the wonderful nude paintings and sculptures of the past. Every period has combined art and sex. I think art is anything that you like and there are so many different mediums to enjoy. My love is the art deco period.   Pusscat (one more essay to go and will be a certified antiques appraiser!) xxx

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Art, I think, is a very subjective thing. Kind of like one man's fish is another man's poisson.....what works for one may not work for another. However, I don't pretend to understand what makes one artistic work great and another adequate. I knows what I likes, though.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    if it stirs an emotion.....and i guess pride is included.... then why would it not be art? especially when you say you made these things yourself......and isnt 'creation' also 'art', in any case?

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    An interesting question...I believe that everyone has some innate creativity,no matter our skills or abilitiies.I am a   consultant in community arts and have experienced people from many different backgounds creating   both individually and collectively amazing paintings ,sculpture,textile art,photography ,music,performance work,   writing,etc.   Last year a new museum MOMA ,was opened in Hobart and I think the theme of the first exhibition was sex and   death.,a powerful juxtaposition of subject matter.   If you enjoy what you are creating jensman and it gives you a degree of satisfaction and pleasure then it is your art.   Perhaps you could make adult versions of the breast plates and armour,now not only would that be art,that would   be very sexy art....a la Zena I am thinking....

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    This could be prehistoric man with their wall paintings, musical expression, paintings, photography, sculpture etc.Along with the traditional view of art, I also feel that in this mass produced world I now see art as anything that is handmade.When I was younger (so much younger than today lalalalala, opps had a Beatles song in my head!), when I was younger my best friend at the time was a builder, I thought building houses from scratch was amazing. He used to show me pictures of delicate brickwork and arches he used to make and I was in awe.My friends wife is a talented cook and when she makes cakes for her childrens birthday, to me that is art.I hope to to work with wood one day (the timber kind!) I also admire woodwork, metalwork, and architecture.One of my most prized possessions is a hand made bottle open in the shape of a naked woman, made from bronze given to me by a distant relative, I wish I had made that.Art 'can' be a reflection of the culture of the time.P.s another form of art is bullshitting, but I'm not a fan of that one!

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Using your dictionary Cass xxxJen you gotta keeper

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Marcel Duchamp, a famous french artist who was part of an anti-art art movement once signed a mens urinal and called it 'Fountain' as a way of challenging the idea and status of art in 1917. Many of the great artists that hang in galleries died unknown and in poverty.   When you look at your Arbour and see the materials chosen in the construction that blend into the colour and shapes you have used; the position you have constructioned it in and the way it looks not any from the street front but from the house itself. The subtle play of the morning, evening light as well as the shadow that is cast that will move across the yard. When you look at all this, some will only see a arbuor and other will see art.   It's everywhere and in everything, you just have to look. For me it's anything of human endevour that produces an emotional responce. It's the indifference that's a killer.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    My work explores the relationship between Pre-raphaelite tenets and UFO sightings.With influences as diverse as Picasso and Slim Dusty, new synergies are manufactured from both mundane and transcendant meanings.Ever since I was a teenager I have been fascinated by the endless oscillation of meaning. What starts out as yearning soon becomes manipulated into a tragedy of greed, leaving only a sense of decadence and the dawn of a new synthesis.As shifting replicas become undefined through diligent and undefined practice, the viewer is left with a glimpse of the limits of our culture.But you have to start somewhere - and papier mache body armour is as good a place as any.Mr C

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    They also say "art and archetechture" so building structures and working in papier mache seems to fall outside the realm of art. On a related topic, how is a photo of a crucifix in urine art?

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Art Is what you can get away with. What is art, was one of the questions in an exam I did once. I can see the difference between craft and art, though some craft can be artistic. Craft is functional Architecture is functional and also can be artistic as well. What you create can be a combination of all things, but if a person look at say a door, and says that’s not just a door its a work of art. It means something to that person. It evokes some emotional response. The doors of many churches in Italy have carvings on them, today we see them just as works of art but in the context of the time they were created they were more than decoration. Art is perspective but it also has to evoke some kind of emotional response from a person and that response depends on cultural context. Art before photography was more to tell a story, or had some religious significance now it has to go beyond a photography, though now photography is also an art form. For me my art, has to say something to a person I do not do chocolate box art, its not just pretty pictures for me. Each artist I guess expresses themselves in an individual way. But in reality anyone can buy a reproduced paint by numbers from Bali and be just as happy with that as someone with a Rembrandt or a Tuscan Red. And all us has a budding Artist inside, humans by nature do have a creative side, its the foundation of our civilisations. What does it have to do with sex, everything as the inspired and the ones like you that are creating they get the juices flowing in themselves and in others. Just ask my friend artistic wench, a hot session with a lover and she went right to her canvas and created that sex in a painting. Nothing like being half naked with a lover, an mans shirt over my naked flesh , bits of paint and cum in my hair. Lips a tad bruised from kissing, and how can I not be inspired.   If you think it is art Jensman then it is. And so long as it gives you pleasure thats all that matters.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    Agree and would add...Sex and art have always been closely associated, and great artists typically have a muse that inspires, cares for, and shags them into a creative mood. And of course some of the best art is created when the sex stops - where would music be without broken hearts?As mentioned above a couple of times - art usually evokes an emotional response, so there are lots of creative activities that dont produce art. Emotions like love and hate, lust and disgust, and sorrow and joy are all common responses to art, as they are to human relationships.Oh and Heavenlybiscuit, bullshit is actually a prerequisite to be accepted as an artist in some circles.So Jensman if you want to call your creations art you are quite entitled to. If you want others to agree you may need to modify them to elicit an emotional response - see if your lovely muse can provide some inspiration. Then preferably add some bullshit. Google "arty bollocks generator" for some assistance if you get stuck - works for me ;)Cheers,Mr Chick

  • Paradisepair

    Paradisepair

    13 years ago

    Any expression of creativity

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    I knew you were the authority whose opinion I was looking forward to reading. I still don't feel that my items are art but I do feel creative. I'm pleased people are expressing their opinions on this subject. The forum topics tend to get a little repetitive and it's nice to have a civil exchange of thpughts for a change.

  • RHP

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    13 years ago

    I have a friend who has developed laziness into an art. I listened to people rag him for ages about it, until I decided to embrace it..   I would convince him, or inspire him to do something for me..and watch how he did it.. he would come up with a perfect system to achieve what needed doing..   I got drunk once and he over heard me telling someone what I did.. so, inspiring him to do anything now, requires and artistic flair itself..   caveman (The FIRST artists)