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Revenge Porn
June 23 2015
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RHP User
9 years ago
Totally agree - Posted from rhpmobile
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Missb4u
9 years ago
to create a few profiles courtesy of my not so friendly stalker. (Waves hello 👋🏻) I never know where he is going to pop up. I pretty regularly reverse image search myself and I google search my names (yep with an s) I haven't found any porn of me which is good but I have been asked a few times if I would like to make porn and told I should make porn lol... so if you see pics of me somewhere please let me know. I do have a vanilla profile and a fetlife one so don't stress about those ones. But any others chances are they aren't me....it's actually a guy.
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RHP User
9 years ago
"Are you asking to be burgled if you own an inviting house with big windows? Robbed if you're showing off expensive jewelry? Raped if you dress provocatively? " well... it actually is against the law (in NSW) to not wind up your windows and lock the car when you get out (if nobody will be inside and you'll be more than 3 metres away) ... which I guess is the automotive equivalent of "ladies, put your chastity belts on and don't wear short skirts when you go out" I'll be interested to know how Google plans to actually implement that change, rather than just saying something about it. Unless they're just going to be excluding websites holus bolus once someone complains about a site - simply for the fact that you can't say something is "revenge porn" until you have a complaint, as most amateur porn is not required to go through any of the same sorts of registries/records keeping like they do for professional porn actors/actresses. Google is just going to block Tumblr completely? not likely. I think it is an interesting problem, but do we need specific laws to tackle this? people have had cameras, and easy access to photos, photo copiers and means of distributing embarrassing photos for MANY years. I've seen embarrassing photocopies of photos stuck to telephone poles. I'm not saying there shouldn't be laws to tackle problems, but I worry when they want _specific_ laws to tackle problems, because they usually just as likely to introduce unintended problems and there is usually either statute or common law precedent to deal with issues.
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QLDtwo4fun
9 years ago
Taking photos given in trust an misusing them, no relationship breakup issue justifies that sort of behaviour.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Thanks for sharing. That's just terrible. That is why my head and body will never be in the same shot, so I'll have plausible deniability if I find myself on different sites.
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RHP User
9 years ago
you learn to love it after a while 😈😝 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
"- If you saw someone you knew on a revenge or porn (and were quite sure it wasn't legitimately them), would you let them know? " excuse my ignorance meander, but aren't all profiles on "revenge sites" not legitimate ? I've never been on such a site, and I wouldn't, I also don't stop to spectate at motor vehicle accidents either... But if I saw a profile of someone I recognised I would probably notify them, more so if it seemed malicious. Hp xo Because you're worth it... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
...let me just say that I agree with you Meander, in regards to the victim shaming, and also putting the onus on them to be the ones to fix the problems. As far as what Google is saying it is going to do, I think it is a nice gesture at best, but the problem is, this should be a LEGAL issue. And at the moment, its just a case of shrugging the shoulders with a blank look. Until this actually has some enforced penalties, I just don't see this changing one bit. And you only have to look as far as the recent celebrity icloud hackings, and the lost (or not even bothered with) civil lawsuits, to realise that even taking the offender to court doesn't hold much hope... To answer your questions... - Has something like this ever happened to you? - Yes. Back in my younger days, I had a few modelling shots floating around. And I once found a modelling agency using one of my shots on their homepage to help with their advertising. I had never worked with the agency before, so I saw no right for them to be using it. I requested they remove it, and after a handful of 'make us's" and a declined job offer, they removed it after a threat of legal action (something I doubt I would've followed through on, but the threat was enough).I've also had my step father use my pics to chat to women online while 'virtually' having affairs on my mother, but thats a whole 'nutha story... - Is it something you worry about when sending pics to lovers, or when being photographed or filmed? -To be honest, no. I don't lie, I don't cheat, and I generally try not to give anyone reason to do something as vicious as that. And if it were to happen after all that, I just have the attitude of what-the-fuck-ever. Theres nothing I've done, especially with photographic proof, that I'm ashamed of. So I'm just not phased. That being said, touch wood I always have good judgement in the people I share those kinds of pictures with... - What would you do if you found out your personal pics were used elsewhere? - I'm not sure. Depends if I could pinpoint who used them elsewhere. Also, anyone with something provocative of mine, I'd bet I have some equally provocative of theirs. So I guess it would be a case of settling with my conscience of getting even with them. As I'm not sure if I'd be worried with pics of me out there, but I wonder if they'll share the same sentiment... - If you saw someone you knew on a revenge or porn (and were quite sure it wasn't legitimately them), would you let them know? - Most definitely. As embarrassing as it may be, they damn sure have a right to know. Good topic Meander. Awareness is a wonderful thing to share...
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RHP User
9 years ago
Tend to send my nudies willy nilly to intimates. Or anybody really. But then i'm still on relatively dumb phone so it's not such a slick operation.. Also I'm a life model and cad. Unashamed too.So many people see me naked. In fact there's probably more nude drawings of me under pillows than photos. All (relatively) tasteful. Though some people are terrible artists But i'd personally never do anything like that, especially vindictively. Sorry for anyone who's been betrayed. Aaah, kids and their interweb these days. What's Hamster? Is that like felching? Y'know, the rodent fetish some people have. "Allegedly" Also in Melbourne for Daily Life Clementine Ford did a great piece/protest about this. Worth checking out. Victim blaming. Tsk tsk. Pertinent post Meander. (what if i screencap your pics for personal.....use?)
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RHP User
9 years ago
Read today that the police in Queensland and South Australia are investigating websites with naked photos of over 400 women on them from those states..It seems that they are springing up like mushrooms..xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
Weren't there two guys recently that got put in prison for their revenge porn sites? Has it happened? No Is it something I worry about? Yes definitely. I've been in 3'some experiences from here where the guy pulls out his iphone and starts filming without consent. What would I do if I found pics? I would contact the person who took the images first and tell them the rain of fuck that is about to go down on them if they don't get them removed. If images/videos remained online, I would proceed with the rain of fuck. If I saw someone? Only if I was 100% sure it was them and their images/videos had been put online without consent.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Google, Hack Revenge Porn and online blackmail. Really good radio show on this issue.
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RHP User
9 years ago
When it comes to revenge porn sites, I think you can be sure it's not the person in question posting it, but sites like Hamster are just porn sites. Let me rephrase: what if you saw your neighbour on here with a profile saying she's a dirty whore and other derogatory things, and you knew her well enough to know that's not how she'd describe herself?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Hi Meander, Those posting revenge porn online are certainly committing a crime and betraying someone's trust. However we need to take responsibility of our actions. You can't just leave a wallet full of cash on the street and expect people not to steal it. The same way, you have to assume that if you send private photos to someone that person might not do the right thing and have them posted online at some stage.
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RHP User
9 years ago
my daughter has been a victim. Her father was living with a very psychologically unbalanced woman who was apparently the love of his life. She and my daughter clashed often. To convince my ex that my daughter was a dreadful person she created a profile using face pics of her superimposed onto images she had downloaded from a porn site. Then proceeded to show them to my ex to prove her point and accused my daughter of all sorts of horrendous things including stealing from her. My ex, in his usual wisdom, believed his gf and beat my daughter, forced her to apologise to the gf then kicked her out. That was the gf plan all along for my daughter to be evicted from the house. You can imagine the devastation my daughter felt. At age 14 she went completely off the rails. Got involved in all kinds of things that she was accused of because she has already been tainted with false accusations and no one believed her innocence. Unfortunately I wasn't aware of any of this because the same woman had vilified me to my kids so I had lost all communication with them for several years. The courts were powerless to do anything about this child abuse because at the age of 12 children can make up their own minds as to where to live!!! The laws in this land have a lot of catching up to do when it come to serving its people and doing the right thing. LG
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RHP User
9 years ago
that with the proliferation of porn sites and social media, if you allow anyone to take or possess explicit pics you do so at your own risk. No amount of government or internet censorship will protect you.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'DoctorPercival'- Is it something you worry about when sending pics to lovers, or when being photographed or filmed? -To be honest, no. I don't lie, I don't cheat, and I generally try not to give anyone reason to do something as vicious as that. 'revenge porn' it's often not done in response to anything serious (although I would still dispute that there is a legitimate reason for doing something like that) . It's often not even done by someone personally known to the victim. A lot of victims have had their computers or phones hacked and their photos stolen that way. I read a really interesting article about a year ago, about a woman who took on Hunter Moore, the guy who started the infamous IsAnyoneUp website which was taken down in 2012. The site specialised in posting pictures of women without their consent, and Moore is a really nasty piece of work. This woman's daughter had her computer hacked and photos posted on the site, and when she couldn't get any recourse through the police and law enforcement she took a different tack in throwing his own game back at him. The article title starts ''I've been called the Erin Brockovich of Revenge Porn '', it's long but worth reading just to see the twisted mindset behind some of these perpetrators, and the lengths they will go to when people challenge them. Earlier this year Moore pleaded guilty to hacking and identity theft, and admitted that he paid another man to hack into computers and steal photos for the website.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meander'Let me rephrase: what if you saw your neighbour on here with a profile saying she's a dirty whore and other derogatory things, and you knew her well enough to know that's not how she'd describe herself? If RHP has taught me anything, you can never 'know'
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Luck_Dragon'Quoting 'DoctorPercival'- Is it something you worry about when sending pics to lovers, or when being photographed or filmed? -To be honest, no. I don't lie, I don't cheat, and I generally try not to give anyone reason to do something as vicious as that. 'revenge porn' it's often not done in response to anything serious (although I would still dispute that there is a legitimate reason for doing something like that) . It's often not even done by someone personally known to the victim. A lot of victims have had their computers or phones hacked and their photos stolen that way. I read a really interesting article about a year ago, about a woman who took on Hunter Moore, the guy who started the infamous IsAnyoneUp website which was taken down in 2012. The site specialised in posting pictures of women without their consent, and Moore is a really nasty piece of work. This woman's daughter had her computer hacked and photos posted on the site, and when she couldn't get any recourse through the police and law enforcement she took a different tack in throwing his own game back at him. The article title starts ''I've been called the Erin Brockovich of Revenge Porn '', it's long but worth reading just to see the twisted mindset behind some of these perpetrators, and the lengths they will go to when people challenge them. Earlier this year Moore pleaded guilty to hacking and identity theft, and admitted that he paid another man to hack into computers and steal photos for the website. You're right. 'Revenge Porn' isn't always done by someone you know. Taking note of the line I wrote a bit before this in the same post "And you only have to look as far as the recent celebrity icloud hackings, and the lost (or not even bothered with) civil lawsuits, to realise that even taking the offender to court doesn't hold much hope...", I did try to elude to the fact this is not just done by vengeful ex partners on a rampage. But my answer was just a direct response to the question asked, and my reasons why. I don't worry about it, because (to state the obvious) for 1 - I try to pick decent people who I send any intimate material out to, 2 - I think the chances of being hacked are very remote, because I'm not famous or note-worthy, and because of number 3 - because I try not to give anyone a reason to want to do something like that. So I limit the chances...But yes, it could still happen. To ANYONE who has taken intimate pictures or videos. I guess my own personal nonchalance also comes from the realisation that I would just be another in the millions of random cock pics you could find within 30 seconds of a search. Sure, I may have a pretty cock (up for debate I guess), but I'm nothing special. I'm not 28 inches long. I'm not famous. I'm just a regular guy. And if someone deems me 'special' (in whatever way, good or bad) enough to want to throw my pictures out there, then whoopee. It's not going to change how I go about my day to day... And thanks for sharing the main part of your post. I had actually never heard of that one, and found the article you mentioned by Charlotte Laws a very interesting, and disturbing read. Hunter Moore is now facing 7 years in jail (which in my opinion isn't enough), and coincidentally, his court date for sentencing is today. Hopefully this also brings a bit more attention to what is a rather serious issue...
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Leo_girl' my daughter has been a victim. Her father was living with a very psychologically unbalanced woman who was apparently the love of his life. She and my daughter clashed often. To convince my ex that my daughter was a dreadful person she created a profile using face pics of her superimposed onto images she had downloaded from a porn site. Then proceeded to show them to my ex to prove her point and accused my daughter of all sorts of horrendous things including stealing from her. My ex, in his usual wisdom, believed his gf and beat my daughter, forced her to apologise to the gf then kicked her out. That was the gf plan all along for my daughter to be evicted from the house. You can imagine the devastation my daughter felt. At age 14 she went completely off the rails. Got involved in all kinds of things that she was accused of because she has already been tainted with false accusations and no one believed her innocence. Unfortunately I wasn't aware of any of this because the same woman had vilified me to my kids so I had lost all communication with them for several years. The courts were powerless to do anything about this child abuse because at the age of 12 children can make up their own minds as to where to live!!! The laws in this land have a lot of catching up to do when it come to serving its people and doing the right thing. LG LG, so sorry this happened to you and your daughter as it is inexcusable and tragic.Every child's life should be magical, they should never ever have to experience anything like your daughter did.****** hugs ******
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'TequilaCouple'You can't just leave a wallet full of cash on the street and expect people not to steal it. Hypothetical then: I drop my wallet in the street (let's say because I'm drunk), and the person who picks it up decides to invest in a new wardrobe. Would it at least partly be my responsibility because I should know better than to carry money while out partying? I can hear the cops now: "Ma'am, you don't really expect us to do something, do you? You should have known there was always a chance of you losing your purse. Next time you go out you should really just leave it at home. A lot safer."
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RHP User
9 years ago
Don't tell me that some cops would say just that. Not the point.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Thank you. Some people are pure evil and will do anything to get their way or to take revenge on being rejected. Good thing that they are in the minority. These porn sites are a way for small minded people to feel good about themselves. LG
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'DoctorPercival'I don't lie, I don't cheat, and I generally try not to give anyone reason to do something as vicious as that. I loved most of what you wrote and mean no offense, but this bit keeps popping out at me, also because it's been repeated a few times. It's also something I heard in the media again today. The notion that it should even matter whether you piss people off just doesn't sit right with me. I believe there is no "reason" for that kind of viciousness, ever. Working in the field that I do has possibly made me too sensitive to phrasing, but I'm reminded of the "My partner is only ever abusive if I've really made him angry." We tell these victims that no matter what they did, there is never ever an excuse for being abused or violated. I think the same applies here.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Quoting 'DoctorPercival'I don't lie, I don't cheat, and I generally try not to give anyone reason to do something as vicious as that. I loved most of what you wrote and mean no offense, but this bit keeps popping out at me, also because it's been repeated a few times. It's also something I heard in the media again today. The notion that it should even matter whether you piss people off just doesn't sit right with me. I believe there is no "reason" for that kind of viciousness, ever. Working in the field that I do has possibly made me too sensitive to phrasing, but I'm reminded of the "My partner is only ever abusive if I've really made him angry." We tell these victims that no matter what they did, there is never ever an excuse for being abused or violated. I think the same applies here. I agree with you wholeheartedly that it shouldn't matter if you give someone an excuse, there is no reason for that kind of viciousness. My only point by that comment was just trying to limit the odds. If I was a complete and utter dick, and treated the people around me, especially my sexual partners like shit, do you think the odds of having sexually explicit material of me being spread would be increased? I would think it's more likely. Please note, I'm not saying it's an excuse, I'm just saying more likely.There is NO excuse for this, just like domestic abuse. You're exactly right. But I also like knowing my own conscience is clean too. I'm a little weird like that...
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm waiting on a book to arrive from the library, by author John Ronson, 'So you've been publicly shamed." The author traveled to hear the stories of people publicly vilified, often with catastrophic results the victims. As the author puts it, "A great renaissance of public shaming is sweeping our land. Justice has been democratised. The silent majority are getting a voice, but what are we doing with our voice? We are mercilessly finding people's faults. We are defining the boundaries of normality by ruining the lives of those outside it. We are using shame as a form of social control." My own view, it's the 21st century version of the Salem witch trials, except that we justify these horrendous invasions of individuals personal privacy, as either as being in the public interest, or for those of us with a sanctimonious, holier than though attitude, justification is, 'they deserved it, and they got what was coming to them.' The situation that actually springs to mind for me was the virtual public crucifixion of the New Zealand couple video taped having live sex through an office window. It's disgusting in the extreme that someone would even consider recording such a personal moment and then having the audacity to upload it to the internet. Whether the man was single, married or she having an affair with a married man is absolutely no justification for such actions. Two peoples lives have probably been ruined, jobs lost, and a marriage with vulnerable children torn apart. Criminals often receive less punishment for their immoral actions. Yet these two found there way to the front page news around the world. Frankly it says a lot about us as a society in the wider world. Self involved, and ever at the ready to smugly proclaim our own virtuous state, self congratulating ourselves that 'we as individuals would never behave like that.' When it comes to loading revenge porn to the net, and any other situation where individuals feel it appropriate to dispense their own form of justice in such a public manner, says more about the person exacting the justice, than the person being so publicly vilified. My question to those seeking to execute these public forms of shaming and ensuing public embarrassment as swift justice is, Where is your Pride? Do you have absolutely no sense of dignity for yourself? Is your confidence, self-esteem and sense of self worth for yourself so low that the only way you can make yourself feel good is to lower your behaviour to this level. I can tell you now, if I met anyone whose past behaviour mirrored this, I'd run a mile. You're scary. Clearly you need help. I'd suggest that the lack of more prosecutions lies only in, that governments like anyone else are limited by budgets and staffing. And Meander, I think the law is pretty clear on this. Section 474.17 - Criminal Code Act - Use Carriage Service to Menace Harass or cause offence. 474.17Using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence (1)A person is guilty of an offence if: (a)the person uses a carriage service; and (b)the person does so in a way (whether by the method of use or the content of a communication, or both) that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, menacing, harassing or offensive. Penalty:Imprisonment for 3 years. And for those of us that think it's ok to pick up someones lost wallet and pocket the cash and whatever other goodies you come across, it's actually an offence. It's called, 'Theft by finding.' You can take lost property to any police station and hand it in. Provide your details as the person who found the property. From memory, if it's not claimed within three months or thereabouts you get first bit of the cherry to claim the lost funds, purse or phone etc.,
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RHP User
9 years ago
If I saw a profile of someone I know, I'm the type who'd discreetly make mention of it to them, see how it's working for them... :P but if it seemed suspicious I'd definately let them know about it, after all, to my mind the only thing worse than being put on a site like that unknowingly would be to have "friends" recognise me and not let me know... I'm the type who would be hard pressed to maintain any relationship with someone who I knew viewed such sites... In a similar category as snuff, rape and non consensual torture movies to me. Hp xo Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Josie8'And Meander, I think the law is pretty clear on this. Section 474.17 - Criminal Code Act - Use Carriage Service to Menace Harass or cause offence. 474.17Using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence (1)A person is guilty of an offence if: (a)the person uses a carriage service; and (b)the person does so in a way (whether by the method of use or the content of a communication, or both) that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, menacing, harassing or offensive. Penalty:Imprisonment for 3 years. And for those of us that think it's ok to pick up someones lost wallet and pocket the cash and whatever other goodies you come across, it's actually an offence. It's called, 'Theft by finding.' You can take lost property to any police station and hand it in. Provide your details as the person who found the property. From memory, if it's not claimed within three months or thereabouts you get first bit of the cherry to claim the lost funds, purse or phone etc., The tricky thing with someone stealing your pics is that you'll have to show you have the copyright, which can be impossible. Of any pics I post I will keep the original if I've cropped them or used a filter for example. If I post originals, I will keep a few other shots from the same session. Then there is the issue of proving without a reasonable doubt who is responsible for posting revenge porn. It's not that hard And I did mention the Criminal Code Act earlier, I think it needs to be a lot more specific. It's cute on paper, but dated and insufficient. I think it doesn't even cover enough to target online bullying, the harassment when it comes to revenge porn can be even more veiled. The mere use of photos may not be seen menacing, though for the victim it could be. This is especially the case if the pics used were selfies, willingly given to the perpetrator, (still) making it a grey area in the eyes of the law.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Not sure where I was going with the "it's not that hard" bit. Should have deleted it.
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RHP User
9 years ago
With obvious exceptions where video and/or photos are taken subversively, photoshopped or stolen people need to use common sense and caution. If you send people photos or video or agree to be involved, unless a contract outlining a privacy agreement is enforceable you don't have a leg to stand on. People are arseholes at times and particularly so when scorned. We see in the media all the time leaked photos and video of celebs and the public yet we still make images available to others. One of my biggest problems with humans is their ability to display incredibly poor judgement and scream victim when that poor judgement blows up in their face. I feel terrible for people who are exploited and robbed but zero fucks given for mature age adults who freely exercise stupidity. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'DoctorPercival' You're right. 'Revenge Porn' isn't always done by someone you know. Taking note of the line I wrote a bit before this in the same post "And you only have to look as far as the recent celebrity icloud hackings, and the lost (or not even bothered with) civil lawsuits, to realise that even taking the offender to court doesn't hold much hope...", I did try to elude to the fact this is not just done by vengeful ex partners on a rampage. But my answer was just a direct response to the question asked, and my reasons why. I don't worry about it, because (to state the obvious) for 1 - I try to pick decent people who I send any intimate material out to, 2 - I think the chances of being hacked are very remote, because I'm not famous or note-worthy, and because of number 3 - because I try not to give anyone a reason to want to do something like that. So I limit the chances...But yes, it could still happen. To ANYONE who has taken intimate pictures or videos. I guess my own personal nonchalance also comes from the realisation that I would just be another in the millions of random cock pics you could find within 30 seconds of a search. Sure, I may have a pretty cock (up for debate I guess), but I'm nothing special. I'm not 28 inches long. I'm not famous. I'm just a regular guy. And if someone deems me 'special' (in whatever way, good or bad) enough to want to throw my pictures out there, then whoopee. It's not going to change how I go about my day to day... you did mention the celebrity hackings, I apologise. However, I have to disagree when you say that because you're not famous / a celebrity, that means you're chances of being hacked are very remote. Yes most of the hackings we hear about have happened to celebrities, but actually the majority of victims are just ordinary people, for example the victims of Hunter Moore in that article I mentioned. Yes your chances are much lower because you're a man, because let's face it most revenge porn and sexual shaming is directed at women, but you being an ordinary, everyday person isn't a protection in my view.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Luck_Dragon' Quoting 'DoctorPercival' You're right. 'Revenge Porn' isn't always done by someone you know. Taking note of the line I wrote a bit before this in the same post "And you only have to look as far as the recent celebrity icloud hackings, and the lost (or not even bothered with) civil lawsuits, to realise that even taking the offender to court doesn't hold much hope...", I did try to elude to the fact this is not just done by vengeful ex partners on a rampage. But my answer was just a direct response to the question asked, and my reasons why. I don't worry about it, because (to state the obvious) for 1 - I try to pick decent people who I send any intimate material out to, 2 - I think the chances of being hacked are very remote, because I'm not famous or note-worthy, and because of number 3 - because I try not to give anyone a reason to want to do something like that. So I limit the chances...But yes, it could still happen. To ANYONE who has taken intimate pictures or videos. I guess my own personal nonchalance also comes from the realisation that I would just be another in the millions of random cock pics you could find within 30 seconds of a search. Sure, I may have a pretty cock (up for debate I guess), but I'm nothing special. I'm not 28 inches long. I'm not famous. I'm just a regular guy. And if someone deems me 'special' (in whatever way, good or bad) enough to want to throw my pictures out there, then whoopee. It's not going to change how I go about my day to day... you did mention the celebrity hackings, I apologise. However, I have to disagree when you say that because you're not famous / a celebrity, that means you're chances of being hacked are very remote. Yes most of the hackings we hear about have happened to celebrities, but actually the majority of victims are just ordinary people, for example the victims of Hunter Moore in that article I mentioned. Yes your chances are much lower because you're a man, because let's face it most revenge porn and sexual shaming is directed at women, but you being an ordinary, everyday person isn't a protection in my view. Again, I do agree with you. I was only posting my own personal nonchalance, and my own personal reasons for it, as a direct response to a direct question. I tried to elaborate on this in my response to you, and I think it may have become misconstrued. If the questions asked had been something like "Do you see this as an issue in general?", my answer would have been entirely different. Yes, the sharing of pictures and video, no matter how much you THINK you know the person you're sharing it with or not, comes with a risk. And in todays age of technology, and peoples ability to manipulate it, you don't even need to directly share material with someone to be at risk. And yes, this is certainly a risk for absolutely anyone, regardless of celebrity status in society."Do you think we should stop sharing intimate material with people we don't know and trust 100%?" - Not necessarily. It depends on your own level of comfort and care. There are people around that couldn't care less who sees their fun zones, and would help spread it around. There are people a lot more reserved, and then there are people who would be utterly distraught if they knew anyone had seen them in a light anything other than one they wanted to be seen in. And here is where my answers cross over. My own personal level of comfort comes in somewhere between slightly reserved and who gives a shit. I don't have pictures of my morning glory on my profile openly. I reserve the right to send that to whomever I decide, if I decide. But if someone, or a lot of people were to see it that I hadn't approved, I may be peeved, but so be it. This is just my own personal level of comfort and care. But everyone is different...There is always a risk, no matter who you are, or what level of notoriety you happen to have. I do think my risk level is lower, given the reasons I stated. And yes, being a guy I do believe is also a factor in my favour. So my answers have just been based on my own risk assessments, for me. Yours will be different, so a different duty of care will be taken. The main thing to remember is to take that duty of care, and always have in the back of your mind the risks involved. Which is why I loved this thread. Awareness is a wonderful thing...
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Not sure where I was going with the "it's not that hard" bit. Should have deleted it. Because, I don't think it'd be 'that' hard. Just some basic IT knowledge and perseverance, along with finding a decent criminal lawyer that you're prepared to pay $$$$ to. I think I am confusing the argument. I agree with you Meander 100%. The laws could do with tightening up. (It really is a case of law not keeping up with technology.) I guess my premise is not to argue the matter on a copyright issue, I'm arguing that anyone uploading those photos or other videos is doing so, to menace, harass and intimidate you via a carriage service. I'm not actually sure how effective (or easy) it would be to argue in court that a person using photos or video of you without your permission, has breached ‘copyright.’ I think it’d be easier to argue that the broadcasting of such videos or photos is being used to ‘menace, harass or intimidate'. Don’t quote me on this either, but I think there is also something similar to the above in the Telecommunications Act. But I’m not sure.
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9 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Quoting 'Josie8'And Meander, I think the law is pretty clear on this. Section 474.17 - Criminal Code Act - Use Carriage Service to Menace Harass or cause offence. 474.17Using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence (1)A person is guilty of an offence if: (a)the person uses a carriage service; and (b)the person does so in a way (whether by the method of use or the content of a communication, or both) that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, menacing, harassing or offensive. Penalty:Imprisonment for 3 years. And for those of us that think it's ok to pick up someones lost wallet and pocket the cash and whatever other goodies you come across, it's actually an offence. It's called, 'Theft by finding.' You can take lost property to any police station and hand it in. Provide your details as the person who found the property. From memory, if it's not claimed within three months or thereabouts you get first bit of the cherry to claim the lost funds, purse or phone etc., The tricky thing with someone stealing your pics is that you'll have to show you have the copyright, which can be impossible. Of any pics I post I will keep the original if I've cropped them or used a filter for example. If I post originals, I will keep a few other shots from the same session. Then there is the issue of proving without a reasonable doubt who is responsible for posting revenge porn. It's not that hard And I did mention the Criminal Code Act earlier, I think it needs to be a lot more specific. It's cute on paper, but dated and insufficient. I think it doesn't even cover enough to target online bullying, the harassment when it comes to revenge porn can be even more veiled. The mere use of photos may not be seen menacing, though for the victim it could be. This is especially the case if the pics used were selfies, willingly given to the perpetrator, (still) making it a grey area in the eyes of the law. the criminal code section posted is pretty good for covering online bullying/harassment or pretty much anything objectionable being done like that. Quoting 'Josie8' Quoting 'Meander' Not sure where I was going with the "it's not that hard" bit. Should have deleted it. Because, I don't think it'd be 'that' hard. Just some basic IT knowledge and perseverance, along with finding a decent criminal lawyer that you're prepared to pay $$$$ to. I think I am confusing the argument. I agree with you Meander 100%. The laws could do with tightening up. (It really is a case of law not keeping up with technology.) I guess my premise is not to argue the matter on a copyright issue, I'm arguing that anyone uploading those photos or other videos is doing so, to menace, harass and intimidate you via a carriage service. I'm not actually sure how effective (or easy) it would be to argue in court that a person using photos or video of you without your permission, has breached ‘copyright.’ I think it’d be easier to argue that the broadcasting of such videos or photos is being used to ‘menace, harass or intimidate'. I agree, if you wanted to go after the person who sent them out then you'd need to go for the menace/harass/intimidate argument. You'd argue copyright breaches with the website to get them to take them down, you could also argue there was breach of copyright when the person distributed the pictures to a third party website - but that isn't accomplishing much. AFAIK if you add a copyright notice to to the image, then it shifts the burden of proof to the defendant to show that the image's copyright doesn't belong to the plaintiff - otherwise you first have to prove you're the one with the image's rights. (In the USA they have a system with registered and unregistered copyrights, registration brings additional rights and penalties) We've had harassment, property theft and all this for so long, the existing laws just need to be applied and perhaps expand on what is and isn't a common carrier.
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