M39
Same Sex Marriage & The Election
August 27 2013
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RHP User
11 years ago
Are you asking us to vote in a Government which has the strength to legalise same sex marriage, or to disregard this issue when voting?
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RHP User
11 years ago
The two major parties are not listening to us the people, thats my opinion.As you, when you talk to people most are for same sex marriage, and a friend told me loud statistic 65 % are for it. So how can 35% win ???So tell me why the government is against it?However I hope many young people vote, and specialty young women, because so many think it doesn't matter, every voice counts. I will gringe when I hear people say what the heck,. Everyone has to vote and have a voice and make a decision, otherwise the parties can just do what ever they like.I will vote Green, will it help maybe not but I at least like this party on there ideas about the future, the gay issue and many more.
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RHP User
11 years ago
what issues should people be deciding who to vote then??? If I'm morally opposed to having an overtly christian Prime Minister but I've always voted for the Liberals, should I continue? Or because I love seeing Queenslanders win anything should I vote for the incumbant party? Decisions, decisions. Of course your morals should be a part of your decision making process. If you moral disagree with a stand you local member advocates, why would you want him to, or trust him to, do the best for your electorate??
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RHP User
11 years ago
Hey go for it but but wait!!! The problem here Marriage is for man and woman ok ? So why can't marriage between same sex be called example??? Partnership??? Eternalarriage??? Just a word your different nothing wrong with that come up with your own word that describes marriage then get on with the important things in life fucken living time wasted .lifes to short to argue with the prudes and do gooders that think they know best. Invent!!!!!- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
That's the trick about voting... It's the ability to have YOUR opinion on what YOU personally view. YOU alone cast YOUR vote for who YOU believe has the best policies, offers what YOU view to be fairness/equality, will do the best for YOUR community and put those best interests at heart, who YOU can morally respect whichever side of the fence you sit etc. What each person sees as THEIR pivotal voting point/ policies/ whatever varies from person to person.... And when all the INDIVIDUAL votes are counted... The PEOPLE have spoken and politicians are elected and a party becomes government. And honestly you can't ask people to put aside the topic of gay marriage because you don't deem that as important regardless of the fact you support it... It could be their dream and its no less than important than what you want because it seemingly affects a smaller minority base. I'm allowed my vote and I'm a woman.. So before me many moons ago.. That was fought for and won..... So come ballot day I'm using that vote.. That's all mine to vote for what I believe in.. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
11 years ago
Well the Christians are forever telling us we should vote on moral issues.Many of the things that are important to my vote - decent treatment of working people, absolute equality for women, an end to discrimination on grounds of sex, race, religion, sexual preference, disability - are moral issues.Economic policy and foreign policy have moral consequences.Protecting the environment so that our children and their children will have a tolerable world to live in is a moral issue.I imagine that if I wanted to declare my love and commitment to someone of my gender and wasn't allowed do so, I would find it a very important issue when considering how to vote, especially given that so little really separates the two major parties.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Very good question.I have not figured out exactly how this works in Australia and the voting system. I think to much about my home country.Say you like the Liberal party politics, its fine however a bit of a opposition with a strong voice is good to keep the keel even.So having to share with a party who wins too is not bad for us as the people.Say for instance....Liberal wins and the Greens get in as a second strongest Party, dont say I am dreaming, I am hoping, then the I would be happy and wait for the outcome. Wait for more decisions on environmental issues which Liberal and Labour havnt pushed to far.We are a lucky country with wind sun and water freely giving from nature and we still hanging on Oel more then many European countries.....we are sleeping, Ok we have not the population but we are rich to some other nations.I dont know, come one people help me out.Question......is it hard for Australians to speak about politics openly....is this a tabu subject???Shouldn't we discuss it everywhere? shouldn't our children be involved....isn't is an important subject? Just right now?I dont want to watch the two idiots on TV through shit at each other like little children. I dont care wether some politican had an affair and cheated on his wife or goes to fuck prostitutes, this has nothing to do with his job.So why are we hang up on this stuff?
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RHP User
11 years ago
I must say you are looking,hawt,hawt,hawt...love the new look...was it Jenny and the gym,or Tony and the shakes.? I was gonna vote for Warwick but now...phoar...you have my vote for sureeee.
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RHP User
11 years ago
That Kevvy will adhere to his election promise of same sex marriage along with all his other problems?!? Pfftt!
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RHP User
11 years ago
"Promises".
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RHP User
11 years ago
Same sex marriage, a deciding factor for a federal election, between two parties that are almost twins, for the benefit of the very small minority of the gay couples that are a small minority of couples that feel the need to have gods approval or can't wait the 2 years to become a de facto relationship currently having all the same rights as any married couple.What madness is this. If I fall in love with a man, and he says yes. I can have a ceremony identical to a marriage, hire a church if I want. Pick anyone I want to fill the role of celebrant to say exactly the same words, sign a contract between me and my love (your ass is mine), have our mothers cry. A big party afterwards with all the family and friends. Get drunk, jump on the plane fly to some tropical island stay in the honeymoon suite. Home, work, taxes, death, or divorce (and yes marriage or not if you separate and your both bitches about it you HAVE to go to family court)So if you feel strongly that you would rather people have Married next to their name rather than de Facto in the dusty computers of the registry office vote for the parties that pretend to respect the rights of gay people (oh sorry "same sex" people), or if not vote for the party that say that is a travesty and will almost certainly pass a bill before the end of their turn to do the same.I am BI I am proud to be so, I understand that in no way have I been denied to share my life with what ever sex person I like, with equal benefits as the system is now.I say do not concern your self with this issue. It will be either Liberal or Labor. Turn of the light and you will not be able to tell the difference.And just one last thing in this rant. The Prime minister does not run, rule, command, set policy or anything else for this country. He has the same power as any other person elected to a seat. This after all a democracy. Please people when considering your vote do not think your voting in the leader, the baby kissing, smiling, handshaking party puppet.Vote for the party and or the policies, vote for strong effective government that is a clear majority. Such a shame the constitution did not ban party politics, it makes a mockery of democracy.meh.... Marriage is a ceremony in front of your peers and family were you proclaim you love and commitment for each other, and since 2008 all couples regardless of gender have equal rights and benefits in this country.Now let me get back to sucking cock and licking pussy.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Wow I thought that we had come so much further than tradition family voting ..................I was taught to make my own decision based on the information and situations at hand (otherwise my son would have been named JNR JNR). I recently told friend tough if she didnt like the parties she has to make a decision based on whats on offer as I have learnt over the years make your vote count not be one of those donkey votersSame sex marraige in politics I believe has nothing to do with religion thats a scape goat I believe it is taken more from the rights and rorting of the system.In America health care is very expensive and if your lucky enough to have a job that pays it there have been incidents where people have in the past included on their health care friends and stated they were partners. The same sex marraige debate opens up to a financial money pot that many companies dont want to be exposed to. I am not sure how this really equates today do they think they are saving millions bying denying same sex couples...Very well could be.
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RHP User
11 years ago
To me it really highlights why we are in such a mess that such an insignificant issue (by comparison) is what many will base their vote on. While it is perfectly reasonable to expect that you can marry whomever you want, does your crusade include every other punitive law / regulation that is based on tradition / culture rather than logic and common sense - because it should if your beliefs are based on philosophical conviction and not personal agenda.It is indeed vile that we have become subservient to our governments and they can dictate on issues of a strictly personal nature - the solution is not to vote for whichever of "Hughey & Duey" betrays their previously core policy to buy your cheap vote but rather to look for alternatives that will return to limited government and respect everyones personal freedoms ... as government was intended to be when conceived by man to serve him.
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RHP User
11 years ago
would be a small b boom. Everyone knows gay people do the best parties !But I will be voting on "bigger" issues.
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RHP User
11 years ago
That the majority of Australians support some form of same sex marriage. I think most of the people who oppose it simply oppose use of the word "marriage" for a same sex union. Having worked in the past and the present with quite a few LGBT individuals, I cannot in good conscience deny them what is ultimately a statement to the world that two people love each other.Will it affect the way I vote on polling day? NoWould I campaign, petition or demonstrate whoever is elected to change the status quo? YesWill I consider it when I vote? Yesfor me there is more than this one issue to be decided in the election.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Same sex marriage, a deciding factor for a federal election, between two parties that are almost twins, for the benefit of the very small minority of the gay couples that are a small minority of couples that feel the need to have gods approval or can't wait the 2 years to become a de facto relationship currently having all the same rights as any married couple.What madness is this. If I fall in love with a man, and he says yes. I can have a ceremony identical to a marriage, hire a church if I want. Pick anyone I want to fill the role of celebrant to say exactly the same words, sign a contract between me and my love (your ass is mine), have our mothers cry. A big party afterwards with all the family and friends. Get drunk, jump on the plane fly to some tropical island stay in the honeymoon suite. Home, work, taxes, death, or divorce (and yes marriage or not if you separate and your both bitches about it you HAVE to go to family court)So if you feel strongly that you would rather people have Married next to their name rather than de Facto in the dusty computers of the registry office vote for the parties that pretend to respect the rights of gay people (oh sorry "same sex" people), or if not vote for the party that say that is a travesty and will almost certainly pass a bill before the end of their turn to do the same.I am BI I am proud to be so, I understand that in no way have I been denied to share my life with what ever sex person I like, with equal benefits as the system is now.I say do not concern your self with this issue. It will be either Liberal or Labor. Turn of the light and you will not be able to tell the difference.And just one last thing in this rant. The Prime minister does not run, rule, command, set policy or anything else for this country. He has the same power as any other person elected to a seat. This after all a democracy. Please people when considering your vote do not think your voting in the leader, the baby kissing, smiling, handshaking party puppet.Vote for the party and or the policies, vote for strong effective government that is a clear majority. Such a shame the constitution did not ban party politics, it makes a mockery of democracy.meh.... Marriage is a ceremony in front of your peers and family were you proclaim you love and commitment for each other, and since 2008 all couples regardless of gender have equal rights and benefits in this country.Now let me get back to sucking cock and licking pussy. Well said and couldn't agree more ... but for the highlighted contradiction. You can't have a clear majority without parties or alliances of some sort and I'm not advocating party politics. A government full of individual representatives of each electorate who hash out every issue and vote according to their electorates wishes is exactly what we need and how it should be.
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Fantasyplus
11 years ago
Same Sex marriage for me is not a "Big Issue"...I support it, to me it should not even be part of the election policies out forward.They are bigger fish to deal with...boats...international students getting ripped off and arse raped.....mining taxes...Elderly & Disabled Pensions....Single Parents/Dole Bludgers hand outs......
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'grand_poobah'Kevvy will adhere to his election promise of same sex marriage along with all his other problems?!? Pfftt! Quoting 'grand_poobah'That should have read "Promises". Should it?
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RHP User
11 years ago
Hi!Moorsy:) Thanks for the thought provoking Topic:) Honestly Hun I don't think the Govt. the present or Future ones in Power do or will give a Rat's Arse What our values, hopes, dreams for us our Families, Friends, and the Future.. We can try and vote to cover all areas ie Aged ,Gay Marriage, Environment, Jobs, Health so on and on.. But it won't really work, Because once in Power they suddenly suffer from Post traumatic Amnesia.. Everything they Promised flies out the Window once they receive the Results.. If that isn't the death knell to what's right, achievable and their Honesty .Then Drawing the Party Line, the biggest BS and excuse for forgetting about the People who live in their Local Electoral area.. Add to that The Independents we hope will keep it on an even Balance, so we actually do get what was Promised, attach themselves to a Party after the Election and become virually mute in what they were elected to achieve .Instead have become Party Members. I feel members should have a vote of Conscience on all Bills so they can truly represent the People not Corporations or others who have an agenda and money to Pay for it.. These are My Opinions Only No one has to Agree with them.. Cheers Lu :)
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RHP User
11 years ago
Not a contradiction. If as it is parties can make alliances. and that their internal process is bound not on the floor but in the back rooms, open to hand shakes, corruption, and more.In the party system a strong majority is require because conscious votes are rare. With equal numbers across the floor they can squabble over and over again. With equal numbers, independents suddenly get power way above their constitutional right.But in a system where each and every chair can vote as they like for anything presented, no one policy can dominate, no small number of chairs can demand concessions. That collaboration, dare I say conspiracy, can exist off the floor. I want my vote to be equal. Why should those independents spouting "keep the bastards honest" out weigh my vote. Or a preferenced assignment of a party lessen the power of my vote.The government should be one party for us the people. Its so frustrating for party politics destroys the idea of equal representation for all. Democracy is a lie in our system.A vote for the losing party gives next to no representation at all, close to half of us lose what should be an equal say on each and every motion presented to the floor . We all know the frustration of our wasted vote if the others win.So with the party system we need majority, to make the government efficient and its way more equal then letting but a hand full of votes have the power. A a strong majority gives the more of our votes a say. Why should a few electrats have the power to determine policy. There are many many more minorities then a few seats could represent. Oh and you will hear every single party scream out for the protection of the minorities, they fear the lose of back door deals. Now back again to being a dick.
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RHP User
11 years ago
but I respectfully disagree.You don't get any meaningful representation in a party environment. Once you vote your local rep in he takes his orders from a very small group ... and you aint in it - as George would say.
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RHP User
11 years ago
Quoting 'IndefatigableMe'but I respectfully disagree.You don't get any meaningful representation in a party environment. Once you vote your local rep in he takes his orders from a very small group ... and you aint in it - as George would say. Debate and the the willingness to allow debate, and the willingness to debate, is the cornerstone of good government and healthy society. We have grown up being told that democracy is the pinnical of culture and governance. Those of my age will also have experience the fear inducing propaganda under the shadow of the mushroom cloud."Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally"True democracy does not exist in our country. The Greeks invented it and its form was design to remove the corruption of power and ensure absolute equality to all. That form of government does not exist anymore and it is the only way to ensure that power is not the motivator.I see a system where the prize is not the betterment of sociaty, the prize is power. It is lead by those that seek power. Its buys votes with promises of reward, it is inherently corrupt, I see it every day as each party attempts to bribe me with promises of a better life. This system touts the freedom of choice, yet how can I choose one that does not want the job.We ask for local representation yet how many bother to vote for local government. Should we not turn the system around, an improvement. You vote a mandatory vote for local government representatives, they vote for state representatives, and in turn they vote for federal representative. But we dare not for as we have been told all our lives that that system is evil.The Greeks had the perfect system, and that system died with them. No Greek ever voted, not Greek ever willing decided to run for office, power, to rule. The power to rule was uncorruptible for no one could choose to rule and no one could choose a ruler. That is democracy. Equal representation Am I the only blindman when all around have their eyes closed. We live in a two party dictatorship and there seems no possible way to oust their selfish ways.I have no vote. I pride my self in a show of taking a useless ballot paper and putting it in a bin that they call a ballot box.
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RHP User
11 years ago
There are people who will be swayed by the ridiculously overblown issue of boat people so why shouldn't they voteaccording to a party's stand on same sex marriage. JUSTFORFUNISALL, the english language is continually evolving. I've made the point before that the word "marriage" has been used to describe the union of words and music to create a song. Haven't you recognised that the word "gay" has only relatively recently come to mean homosexual? We are talking about a union of love and it seems to me that saying that the union of same sex couples shouldn't be called marriage is to suggest that this sort of love has less valididity than heterosexual love. Get past outdated notions. It's the same sort of union. Allow them the same sort of recognition.
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