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So just what is "the truth"???
August 16 2012
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RHP User
12 years ago
In Buddhism there are two truths,conventional worldly truth and ultimate truth,emptiness.x Hugs H
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RHP User
12 years ago
The 'truth' is only ever from the perspective of the person who purports to speak it. Everyone's 'truth' is different ... the rashamon theory ... Personally, I (Mrs FP) don't hold much stock in post-modern or post-intellectual theories, if but to say, there are at least three sides to every story: mine, yours and what everyone else reckons.Every person evaluates and determines a situation, relationship, a confluence etc, from the basis of what has gone before and by extension, what has shaped their psyche. Having said that, no excuse for being an arsehole your whole life because your parents stuffed you up. We all have free will and, hopefully, the capacity to overcome obstacles and the ability to look forward to a better life other than which may have been bequeathed to us
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RHP User
12 years ago
Its kinda of a nice comforting thought The problem is we are still waiting for the Messiah.......one has to wonder , how much longer do we have to wait ? and why as I write this do Monty Python "Life of Brian " lines keep running thru my head ???
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RHP User
12 years ago
There was suppose to be a point to my above post about truth but posted before I wrote it !!! I'm so stuffed up with flu/whooping cough etc I'm not making sense ... And one should not be let loose on the forums when they are incoherent !!!! Ok im out of here ...bed here I come !!! Truth is.... I'm sick .... Ggrrr
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RHP User
12 years ago
Don't we all have an internal 'meter' that 'twinges' if we're telling a porky?If we were without ego there would be no lies and no question of 'truth' ...?It's only the ego that has fear, inadequacy, manipulation, desire, greed, etc ...A new born babe has no lies and no need for them ... isn't it wonderful what we teach them?... truth is from the depth of the heart ... once all the 'protective' layers are peeled away ...?... hence every individual has their own absolute truth ... in their emptiness ... void of the ego ...?'Factual' Truths? ... also an interesting perspective ... how do we 'measure' or 'verify' spiritual experiences, dreamtime, sixth sense, alternative healing methods? Perceived by some and not others? 'Scientifically' 'banished' to the realms of 'imagination' due to being unable to measure / prove them? But often anecdotely accepted by millions. Do we not recall ... the world being flat? ... electricity being invisible? ... frequencies of light and sound not visible/audible to the human's sensory organs? ... what about the 'witchcraft' of a computer, telephone, TV? ... oh I am sure there are many, many more examples of our ability to accept new 'truths' once they become 'measurable' by science ... why does science poo hoo the possibilities when we have constantly been shown through history that we don't know everything and quite often our assumed facts/truths are proven way off the mark once a new method of 'measuring' comes along ... why don't we bleed someone to death in an attempt to heal them anymore? ... because we know better? ... learnt from experience? ... have we not learnt from experience that there are endless possibilities and we are only making fools of ourselves to discount the possibilities ...Interesting philosophical topic ...Jensman are you looking for a discussion without snapping, snarling, biting and heckling? LOL
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TomatoSauce33
12 years ago
Friedrich Nietzsche wrote that truth should be used only as long as it promoted life and prosperity, and he felt that an untruth was better than truth if it had life enhancement as a consequence. This
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RHP User
12 years ago
If a person believes what they say they are speaking the truth as they know it :)
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kinky_master
12 years ago
Mischeviouslad nearly got it right. Even the old Romans knew: In Vino Veritas - which means in wine there is truth. And when you have drunken too much you will proclaim the truth, or any truth for that matter regardless of who you might hurt or embarrass – or for that matter punch or kill. Some people seem to get into the state where they feel they must proclaim their truth as they see it – even without drinking – and regardless of their motives – they are the dangerous ones. Robert Heinlein once wrote words to the effect of:He who tells the whole truth all the time is a sadist.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Oh jensman I could spend days pulling this apart...but as a wise man once told me K.I.S.S ;)... It is like (as Hesione has suggested) you are discussing two things: conventional worldly truth and ultimate truth.... In the case of the conventional truth, this is what you refer to Nietzsche discussing...And I hold to the view that if a psychotic ex-boyfriend of my sister (say) came to my door wanting to kill her, while I was hiding her in the back room, and asked me if I knew where she was, I would lie.... As for 'ultimate' truth - the example of the religious views ... This for me is more simple - it reminds me of the story of 3 men blindfolded standing on different sides of an elephant.... After, when asked to describe the elephant, one man says long, squishy and tubular like... Another long thin and bristly on the end ... And the other flat and wrinkly... Though different, it is still the same: an elephant ... I lie all the time to my parents, cause quite frankly it's none of their business ... Though I'm fucking useless at it - we are constantly confronted with this... Liars with the intention for constant selfish gain or to hurt others, suffer in their own delusions - they are not in my life and I couldn't give a shit about them - Simple! ... :) Cassandra
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RHP User
12 years ago
Nah I just reckon the J man is fishing for a man hiding behing a bush. Oh and why post such a philosophical scribe on a sex site where I want to keep my blood going to another part of my anatomy. Mike
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Smilingwithfun
12 years ago
Perhaps all 3 where Lying truthfully or Truthfully lying.Covers all bases.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Hesione' In Buddhism there are two truths,conventional worldly truth and ultimate truth,emptiness.x Hugs H I deliberately left Buddhist Monk out of my example because the Buddha's truisms ring truer to my ears than the others. Quoting 'Fun2Play2500'The 'truth' is only ever from the perspective of the person who purports to speak it. Everyone's 'truth' is different ... the rashamon theory ... Personally, I (Mrs FP) don't hold much stock in post-modern or post-intellectual theories, if but to say, there are at least three sides to every story: mine, yours and what everyone else reckons. Every person evaluates and determines a situation, relationship, a confluence etc, from the basis of what has gone before and by extension, what has shaped their psyche. Having said that, no excuse for being an arsehole your whole life because your parents stuffed you up. We all have free will and, hopefully, the capacity to overcome obstacles and the ability to look forward to a better life other than which may have been bequeathed to us Have you ever seen Kurosawa's Rasomon? Remarkable film. Mifune as one of the world's greatest actors regardless of language. Quoting 'MsVelvetblue'Its kinda of a nice comforting thought The problem is we are still waiting for the Messiah.......one has to wonder , how much longer do we have to wait ? and why as I write this do Monty Python "Life of Brian " lines keep running thru my head ??? I think you have presented at least one excellant point. The Monty Python crew had a great way at approaching the truth. Quoting 'L777xxx'Jensman are you looking for a discussion without snapping, snarling, biting and heckling? LOL Hehehehe, naw, never. Quoting 'kinky_master' Robert Heinlein once wrote words to the effect of:He who tells the whole truth all the time is a sadist. ...and don't we all know someone just like that. Quoting 'Cassandra_Jayne'Oh jensman I could spend days pulling this apart...but as a wise man once told me K.I.S.S ;)... It is like (as Hesione has suggested) you are discussing two things: conventional worldly truth and ultimate truth.... In the case of the conventional truth, this is what you refer to Nietzsche discussing...And I hold to the view that if a psychotic ex-boyfriend of my sister (say) came to my door wanting to kill her, while I was hiding her in the back room, and asked me if I knew where she was, I would lie.... As for 'ultimate' truth - the example of the religious views ... This for me is more simple - it reminds me of the story of 3 men blindfolded standing on different sides of an elephant.... After, when asked to describe the elephant, one man says long, squishy and tubular like... Another long thin and bristly on the end ... And the other flat and wrinkly... Though different, it is still the same: an elephant ... I lie all the time to my parents, cause quite frankly it's none of their business ... Though I'm fucking useless at it - we are constantly confronted with this... Liars with the intention for constant selfish gain or to hurt others, suffer in their own delusions - they are not in my life and I couldn't give a shit about them - Simple! ... :) Cassandra I can't understand why you would want to pull it apart, you expressed it perfectly. Thank you. Quoting 'miketheduc' Nah I just reckon the J man is fishing for a man hiding behing a bush. ...and the bitch standing next to him and I'm carefully watching that guy over the grassy knoll. I actually post subjects like this here because it's an 'adult' site with plenty of open-minded members (yes and several with closed minds). I don't really believe your protest, Mike, I think you'd rather join in a discussion like this than discuss the size of someone's cock. By the way, if ever you notice me using your name in a sentence where I'm berating the subject for his ignorance, arrogance and hypocrisy, rest assured, I'm not talking 'bout you.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Its cool mate I was just was jaut taking the renal waste ot of you and the man behind the bush. I like that there are adult discssions on here that aren't just about the obvious. I have always enjoyed open and vigourous discussion/argumnent. You could start a forum on Solipsism and I would join, just because "I think therefore you are". Culturally relative truth has had me going all frothy at the mouth just because some things like religion are a man made "truth". Truth has always been a slippery subject and as you have pointed out things depend on the point of culturallt relative position you are in. I personally hold a constructivist utilitarian science orientated philosophy that hold religion and other culturally recieved belief systems in relativley poo rfavour. Mike
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RHP User
12 years ago
I love philosophy and studied it at uni ... Cass :) x
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RHP User
12 years ago
Oh and damn you for posting a thoughtful intelligent question. It means I have to actually think about "things" like relative truth, justification, cultural relativism. I generally come on here for some light entertainment and jocularity after a night looking after the sick. Now you want me to think? Damn you apes.... Mike
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RHP User
12 years ago
to lie is a great kindness,sometimes the truth can be incredibly hurtful to the other.IMO it all depends on your motivation,do I tell the truth and hurt someone or do I lie to protect them from unnecessary pain? However if I lie to deceive , hurt you or gain advantage then that is causing pain.I know this is very subjective and what you might do in similar circumstancs could be quite different to me,but if we are clear about our motivation we will probably make the right decision. I too am very supicious Jensman of anyone who claims they never lie.xHugs H
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RHP User
12 years ago
Bummer I cant say more...or did I lie just now? Ohh I know, when I have to go to court and swear....I will tell the truth and nothing but the truth as God is my witness......I tell the truth.......or dont I?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Truth is science come on!!!!! Religion is just many books of fairytales. Did a virgin really give birth? What a load of rubbish. Most of these books of fantasies were written a hell of a long time ago but now we have SCIENCE that can dispel most myths between their pages. Jesus (sorry, I say that in just instead of the other swear words on offer) I get my people have the need to connect and believe but me I'm going with proof, fact and the truth. May 'god' be with y'all!
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RHP User
12 years ago
In Jensmans story, their truths are all very similar. All of those faith structures are Abrahamic, so ostensibly the same. It's only those that practice them that would have you believe any different. I know of a Catholic family that will argue they are not Christian and are offended if you call them such. "Catholics are Catholics and Christians are Christians". It's what's been drummed into them by their local preachers. People who's opinion they trust. That is their truth.As a fan of Kant's categorical imperative, I'd be compelled to be honest about the whereabouts of my sister. Though I'd back my self to talk the mad ex boyfriend down or stop him physically if it came to that. So maybe that's not much of a test of Truth.I don't ever think truth is hurtful. It's often obvious, so you need not say anything. So there's no need for hurt. Opinions however could hurt the fragile. Though taking them on board is a choice people often seem to take. This puzzles me. Why would somone choose to get all upset by things said by a person they have next to zero respect for? Still, we see it happen often.Though sometimes a little truth can remind us of the things we need to attend to. I'd not be the bloke I am now were it not for the honesty of my friends.Did you notice how the word "honesty" seems softer than the word truth?
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RHP User
12 years ago
This was an interesting subject and I was pretty happy with my last post. But it seems the thread has died..~frouns~
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RHP User
12 years ago
Agreed with most of it. The truth can sometimes hurt and, at times, a person might be better off oblivious to it. I think we didn't get a huge response because a lot of people are threatened by the thought that the truth may be a maliable thing.
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RHP User
12 years ago
All the priests are telling the truth! To espouse a religion, you plagiarise! Period!! Assuming they were all astute, consciensious and sober at the time, their words were adopted as in their related hand books. Regardless of their interpretation of the words the truth as their belief of their books is their life. YOU SEE,They all believe and are blissfully, blinded with faith! Faith is a belief in something that cannot be logically proven, physically shown or accurately described with any form of proof. Surely we can't believe that all religeons are complete liars to their people? Surely we can be confident that whoever wrote the hand books, was telling the truth. We need to have faith. DONT WE?
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RHP User
12 years ago
All the priests are telling the truth! To espouse a religion, you plagiarise! Period!! Assuming they were all astute, consciensious and sober at the time, their words were adopted as in their related hand books. Regardless of their interpretation of the words the truth as their belief of their books is their life. YOU SEE,They all believe and are blissfully, blinded with faith! Faith is a belief in something that cannot be logically proven, physically shown or accurately described with any form of proof. Surely we can't believe that all religeons are complete liars to their people? Surely we can be confident that whoever wrote the hand books, was telling the truth. We need to have faith. DONT WE?
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RHP User
12 years ago
:)
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RHP User
12 years ago
..I'd hope you'd be extremely intelligent, well versed in martial arts and had your phone ready to call 000!! Truth/honesty in this way always comes down to an array of circumstances, eg being a woman I wouldn't so much trust my self to physically stop this man, and I left my phone on the fucking bench!!....furher i see religion is like a different language, yet, we all laugh and cry the same.... Smiling!! Cassandra :)
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RHP User
12 years ago
my foot would hurt... that's the truth!my nanna has always said to me "speak the truth".... what she means is to be honest and open, don't talk shit and if you don't know the answer to something, then say so. we are all truth seekers, but do we all have an open mind? .. do we ask questions, do we listen... are we willing to accept other possibilities and realities in our quest for the truth, or do we run around in our own head with a closed mind and heart and believe everything we are thinking to be true? ...tell me, how does science mathematically prove a spiritual experience... it can't. So does that mean it doesn't happening? This is where science falls down. As for religion, faith can give people hope... but it can also brainwash. to believe is to have a belief.... i'd rather know. so i'll sit in the corner with an open mind and heart and let the truth come to me.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Cassandra_Jayne'..I'd hope you'd be extremely intelligent, well versed in martial arts and had your phone ready to call 000!! Truth/honesty in this way always comes down to an array of circumstances, eg being a woman I wouldn't so much trust my self to physically stop this man, and I left my phone on the fucking bench!!....furher i see religion is like a different language, yet, we all laugh and cry the same.... Smiling!! Cassandra :) K I S S
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RHP User
12 years ago
Lowering my self to someone else's level or giving up on my self for someone whom I think is less than I is not a habit I ascribe to.So fucking hurry up and find your phone while I distract this bugger will you?.Actually it's probably a badly described scenario. I imagine a really crazy bloke would not bother knocking at the door in such circumstances and I'd not have to lie.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Cheers man. Thanks.One thing we seem to have forgotten here, is the truth can sit on a cold steel bar stool. Or it can be nicely "couched".
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RHP User
12 years ago
My own marriage at the time was in the toilet and my wife and I were living in seperate rooms. I felt the need for intimacy that I wasn't getting at home and I found it elsewhere. This behaviour lasted six months and involved five ladies. They all knew that I was married (most of them were too), I was completely upfront with all of them. After six months, I came to recognise that the loneliness I felt wasn't being alieviated by these casual rendezvous and I stopped entirely. I remained with my wife, for the sake of the children, but we never regained our intimacy. Nearly a decade later, my wife was suspiscious of my relationship with a family friend. I told her that she was imagining it and assured her that there was no joy to be had in having an affair. She still didn't believe me about our friend but wanted to know what I meant about there being nothing in it for me in an affair. Eventually, I admitted to her what I had done all those years before. I foolishly thought that, with all the time gone by and the state of our own relationship at the time, she would accept that I'd gotten it out of my system and be more reassured about our friend. She did her nut and demanded a divorce. Then she changed her mind and wanted to stay together but, ofcourse, on her terms. Then she changed her mind again and again and again. Eventually, the fights became so bad and constant that I left, still for the sake of the kids as they were going through hell. Now this six months, that occured nineteen years ago, equate to a little over one percent of my life experience and yet that is enough for a handfull of our fellow RHP members to define me as a liar and a cheat. Personally, I think their attitude says more about them than it does me but that doesn't really matter. I still lie on occasion. I speak to my parents on the phone every few days and when they ask, "How are You? Is everything alright?" I reply, "Yes, everything's fine." The truth is that over the winter, I've been in constant pain, I've missed a lot of work and we're behind on our bills. If I were to tell them this, they would worry needlessly and try to help out financially. They are on a fixed income and were hit hard by the GFC, they can't really afford to help me but they would still put money into my account even if I said "no" so I lie to my own parents. How bad is that?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Your honesty here is astoundingly admirable and beautiful - I had an inkling that your story maybe as such... This moment is what counts.. I hope things get better for you soon! Cassandra :)
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RHP User
12 years ago
my thought is if u lie to someone at the beginning how can u build trust on that if what u started of with is a lie or lies u lie because u can and u think they will never know but what happens when the person u thought was not going to b anything becomes something and then u know the lie or lies u have been telling are now going to b known ive met so many that lie alot and alot all the time about everything and i struggle to understand why lie so much and lie about something so silly and pointless things to what r u hiding why are u hiding it whats thep oint if there is nothing to hide from but just lie about it im to trusting sadly i like to see the good in people and hope they wil treat me the same as id treat them but it seems less and less people think this way anymore ive heard some lies i was like i think ill never hear better then i get another and im like wtf why just not b honest u get found out in the end and then what anyway just b who u r thats the beauty of the net isnt it u can b exactly who u r
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm lost for words..Something that does not happen often actually.
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RHP User
12 years ago
If I were your parents I would want to know and to be able to help you,as you would your children.However if you think this is too much of a burden for them I understand why you wouldn't say anything. But when we can help those we love that in itself is a gift. I hope you are well and strong soon.extra Hugs H
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RHP User
12 years ago
Don't worry, Hesiione, the weather is already starting to warm up a bit. Jenny's able to pick up a few extra shifts and with a bit of juggling, we always catch up. A good hearty breakfast of oxycontin always helps too. I was just trying to illustrate why I feel that absolute honesty, for honesty's sake, is over rated. I'm basically an honest man. I don't steal and I'm not a habitual liar.The only lies I have ever told Jennylee are either teasing her over what she's getting for Chrissie or her birthday or occasionally she might do some little thing that annoys me, so little that I really can't think of an example right now. She'll notice that I'm a bit sullen and ask if she's done something. I'll realise that I'm just being petty and say, "No, I'm just tired". She knows that I do this so I'm not really giving anything away here. I just don't think it's necessary to share everything especially when the truth can cause upset. It's a pity that there is really no hard and fast guidelines to it. Sometimes Jennylee hides how far behind we are with bills so as not to stress me. Silly really as I cope with stress better than she does. I guess most of us try to shield our loved ones from unpleasantness. So what is the value of truth? Is it a luxury? Did Nietzsche have the right idea? Ooh, ooh, I got a good one. We've extablished that the truth is not always factual but are facts always truthful? Hehehe.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Truth has nothing to do with religion except to demonstrate that religion can't deal with truth. We live in a country that has scietifically dated pictures on rock walls that predate any religious text available. By about 15000 years. The judeo/christian/islamic texts date the world to about 9500 years in the past as the "creation" of the planet in a burst of creative thinking by "god". Oh and mathematics will not describe "faith" however chemistry probably can, as a chemical transfer of neurotransmitters amongst glial cells in the cerebral cortex. Not necessarily the "truth" people who wish to abrogate their responsibility to promulgating a "fair" society are looking for. And in my case I have to deal with people on a regular basis who are having problems with excess neurotransmitters in their cerebral cortex. I call them psychiatric patients. Oh and go ahead and sit in the corner and ponder (suck thumb) it lets you out of critical thought. Mike OOPS ranting again.....
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RHP User
12 years ago
i used to think, for a long time...that there was only one truth..black is black and white is white...there's no in between...and even now, at 38...i do have trouble sometimes, to understand what "maybe" means...if you like something you do...if you don't, you don't....if you want someone..you do...and if you don't..well...you get the picture....i always got along well with dogs...things are always easy to understand....it's action - reaction...simple..they will certainly let you know, if they don't like something/someone...and if you earned they affection, trust and respect...they'll do anything for you!you never have to wonder, just what is going on exactly ?i get confused with people, though...i realized,that often, what we believe to be the truth...is just an idea, that was parented by our own assumptions...imagination...perhaps desires...only to realize, later down the track...that our reality...the truth we believed in...was merely a figment, of our own imagination!sometimes, if you are really passionate about something/someone...you will hold on to your own truth, for as long as you can...but even then, you will realize, eventually...that you can't argue with facts!
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RHP User
12 years ago
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goldcoastcple69
12 years ago
ok if there not telling lies since they believe what they speak ..then there speaking someone elses lies since someone had to make that shit up at some point lol
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RHP User
12 years ago
my truth may not be your truth,sometimes it is all about perception,and what was true today may not be true tomorrow,and what we thought was true yesterday tomorrow may not be true.This is all truex R
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Mischeviouslad'Truth.... is that sound a wine bottle makes when it opens. red wine is definitely my truth serum!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Intent. For me truth and lies are constructed. I very much believe in the Constructivist theory; life is what you make it. Society, of course, impacts greatly on how one can construct their life and how well one can manage to use society to benefit their construction of life and their beliefs. It comes down to whether or not one adopts a victim mentality, which in itself is a construct of their mind based on how society has viewed them and what class they fall into et cetera. Religious constructs started somewhere with one person having an opinion/belief which they wanted to spread and manifest in their society. What was their intent? Probably good at the time, because what they were saying was their own personal truth. Everyone has their own truth. It comes in all manner of forms but mostly it's a person's way of life, which they constructed to be beneficial for them. Religious doctrines these days are so convoluted and full of too many variations of the original "truth"; extremists use their "truth" with ill intent. Killing people in the name of their deity is simply using their truth to do bad things and pass the buck onto someone else, i.e. their God/deity. Lies, well.... lies lies lies. LIFE is generally (for me) a construct of lies. People lie on average 4 times a day. Recent studies have apparently shown that men lie around 6 times a day and women 3 - I personally think this is a crock of shit, because most women I know, myself included, fib much more than that. Then again, they are talking the average over the entire human population. People lie to get ahead in their careers, to deceive their friends/family/spouses, to prevent someone from hurting over the actual truth of the matter. INTENT - it all comes down to intent for me. I could forgive someone for lying to me if their intent was pure (as pure as out corrupted world can offer). If they lied to me with the intent of purposefully deceiving me and hurting me then consider yourself cut out of my life. Holding back the truth is a shady area for me as I frequently hold back parts of my constructed life as it is often nobody's business. Again, the intent is not to deceive but it’s to protect myself. Truth in a nutshell, for me, is a person's own specific and personally constructed doctrine. It contradicts itself of course, as Jensman pointed out validating a statement makes it "true" – but the very core of the word truth and the idea of truth lie in murky waters and in all of human civilisation and throughout history there has never been an actual collective notion of TRUTH.
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RHP User
12 years ago
“People are stupid, they will believe something because they want it to be true; or because they're afraid it might be true.” “The greatest harm can result from the best intentions.” “Passion rules reason, for better or for worse.” “There is magic in sincere forgiveness; in the forgiveness you give, but more so in the forgiveness you receive.” “Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie.” “The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason.” “Life is the future, not the past.” "Deserve Victory". “A contradiction can not exist in reality. Not in part, nor in whole.” “Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self.” “Seek the truth not through others, but through yourself.” “You can destroy those who speak the truth, but you cannot destroy the truth itself.”
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RHP User
12 years ago
and yes truth is subjective like all things
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RHP User
12 years ago
For bumping this topic JL. Jensman, thanks for sharing. Respect.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Hey Hun :) I'm very sorry to know you're feeling unwell. I hope you recover from your ailment soon .. It's probably the Universe telling you to take things easy as you just kept going when you should have. You have not much choice now but to rest up. Cheers for better days..Lu :)
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'jensman1903' My own marriage at the time was in the toilet and my wife and I were living in seperate rooms. I felt the need for intimacy that I wasn't getting at home and I found it elsewhere. This behaviour lasted six months and involved five ladies. They all knew that I was married (most of them were too), I was completely upfront with all of them. After six months, I came to recognise that the loneliness I felt wasn't being alieviated by these casual rendezvous and I stopped entirely. I remained with my wife, for the sake of the children, but we never regained our intimacy. Nearly a decade later, my wife was suspiscious of my relationship with a family friend. I told her that she was imagining it and assured her that there was no joy to be had in having an affair. She still didn't believe me about our friend but wanted to know what I meant about there being nothing in it for me in an affair. Eventually, I admitted to her what I had done all those years before. I foolishly thought that, with all the time gone by and the state of our own relationship at the time, she would accept that I'd gotten it out of my system and be more reassured about our friend. She did her nut and demanded a divorce. Then she changed her mind and wanted to stay together but, ofcourse, on her terms. Then she changed her mind again and again and again. Eventually, the fights became so bad and constant that I left, still for the sake of the kids as they were going through hell. Now this six months, that occured nineteen years ago, equate to a little over one percent of my life experience and yet that is enough for a handfull of our fellow RHP members to define me as a liar and a cheat. Personally, I think their attitude says more about them than it does me but that doesn't really matter. I still lie on occasion. I speak to my parents on the phone every few days and when they ask, "How are You? Is everything alright?" I reply, "Yes, everything's fine." The truth is that over the winter, I've been in constant pain, I've missed a lot of work and we're behind on our bills. If I were to tell them this, they would worry needlessly and try to help out financially. They are on a fixed income and were hit hard by the GFC, they can't really afford to help me but they would still put money into my account even if I said "no" so I lie to my own parents. How bad is that? Jman, I never get sick of reading such finely articulated passages of text like this, despite the saddness that exists in this situation, and I'm feeling for you. Truth however, I believe (when limited to only 2 people in this instance), has 3 sides. Each individuals perspective, and then somewhere inbetween, lies the exact story that every attached perspective lies. Keep ya chin up, and the posts flowing. Chris
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RHP User
12 years ago
Old saying but what I believe is Id rather be hurt by the truth than comforted with a lie!!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Your taught not to lie as a kid there are white lies that are non harmful lies then straight out lies as an adult you know right from wrong so if you lie and get away with it once becomes habit where you believe your own bullshit know this as some mates are at this distructful stage scary shit! X miss sammy
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RHP User
12 years ago
I think therefore I am! Does it matter if it is the truth as we see it or is it more important that it is the truth as the person/people you are telling see it. Big thing in life is: If you are going to do or say something to/for someone else. If its not for their good then dont. Compassion!
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RHP User
12 years ago
a white pastor and a black pastor were discussing the heritage of God... "He is black.." "He is white.." OK, let's ask him... so.. both Pastors prayed up a storm to God about what colour he is... Then.. out of the ether.. a booming voice resounded.... "I AM!" THe white Pastor jumps up and down.. "Ha Ha.. God is white.. GOd is white.... nah nah nah.." The black Pastor is goes... "WTF???? he said I AM.. how does that prove to you he is white???" Whitey goes.... "Mate.. IF he was black.. he would have replied..... I IS!!!!" *shrugs.. caveman
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RHP User
12 years ago
Bahahaha good one mate...
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ruby_blossum
12 years ago
GOD ENJOYS A GOOD LAUGH! There were 3 good arguments that Jesus was Black: 1. He called everyone brother 2. He liked Gospel 3. He didn't get a fair trial But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Jewish: 1. He went into His Father's business 2. He lived at home until he was 33 3. He was sure his Mother was a virgin and his Mother was sure He was God But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Italian: 1. He talked with His hands 2. He had wine with His meals 3. He used olive oil But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was a Californian: 1. He never cut His hair 2. He walked around barefoot all the time 3. He started a new religion But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was an American Indian: 1. He was at peace with nature 2. He ate a lot of fish 3. He talked about the Great Spirit But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Irish: 1. He never got married.. 2. He was always telling stories. 3. He loved green pastures. But the most compelling evidence of all - 3 proofs that Jesus was a woman: 1. He fed a crowd at a moment's notice when there was virtually no food 2. He kept trying to get a message across to a bunch of men who just didn't get it 3. And even when He was dead, He had to get up because there was still work to do Can I get an AMEN!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
You tender philosopher.. It's funny I came on to post something Religious and came across this in the process.~shrugs~ Quoting 'honeybee0086' Intent. ..... Religious constructs started somewhere with one person having an opinion/belief which they wanted to spread and manifest in their society. What was their intent? Probably good at the time, because what they were saying was their own personal truth. ...
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'ruby_blossum' GOD ENJOYS A GOOD LAUGH! There were 3 good arguments that Jesus was Black: 1. He called everyone brother 2. He liked Gospel 3. He didn't get a fair trial But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Jewish: 1. He went into His Father's business 2. He lived at home until he was 33 3. He was sure his Mother was a virgin and his Mother was sure He was God But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Italian: 1. He talked with His hands 2. He had wine with His meals 3. He used olive oil But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was a Californian: 1. He never cut His hair 2. He walked around barefoot all the time 3. He started a new religion But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was an American Indian: 1. He was at peace with nature 2. He ate a lot of fish 3. He talked about the Great Spirit But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Irish: 1. He never got married.. 2. He was always telling stories. 3. He loved green pastures. But the most compelling evidence of all - 3 proofs that Jesus was a woman: 1. He fed a crowd at a moment's notice when there was virtually no food 2. He kept trying to get a message across to a bunch of men who just didn't get it 3. And even when He was dead, He had to get up because there was still work to do Can I get an AMEN!! .Hahahaha! Perfect ... I'm in on that joke!! ... Life's funny - trying to figure shit out all the time keeps things serious and complicated ... KISSI say, you say = subjective. I don't really know. Will we ever?!? meh ... The Divine comedy ... all this time spent trying to know the truth and you coulda hooked up and had a nice quicky for lunch .... I love this sex site..... Go and laugh at somehting, or fuck someone for God's sake!!! Thank you Ruby Bloom n Cavey ... genisus ... I mean genius xx
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RHP User
12 years ago
I got a feeling the jokes on us xx
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RHP User
12 years ago
Can any religion can provide an argument that their god exists and disproves the existence of another religions' god, that ALSO can't be used to disprove the existence of their own god?Nope, and that's the truth.
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RHP User
12 years ago
That was only my example of how contradictions can be "true" depending on who's saying them and where they're said. Funny thing. When I was in high school, I visited a mate's home. He was a Lebanese Muslim. It was coming up to Easter and his mother asked me what that was. I told her that Easter is when the Christians celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ. She screamed at me that Jesus was not Christ and kicked me out of the house. Oh shit, I'm talking religion again.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachyPear'Cassandra. Life is one big joke and...The joke is on us...xoXox A very wise man once said... Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
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RHP User
12 years ago
...strictly speaking, that very wise man sang those words.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'DeviousMissM' Quoting 'MrsPeachyPear'Cassandra. Life is one big joke and...The joke is on us...xoXox A very wise man once said... Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'jensman1903'...strictly speaking, that very wise man sang those words. I actually changed it to "sang", than changed it back. Could not really call it singing.
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RHP User
12 years ago
so there is no actual winner in any arguement...you just have a point of veiw from the perspective based on ones experience of life and learning....and the beholder of that veiw is trying to make another perceive or understand how his experience is veiwed or beleived....
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RHP User
12 years ago
great post Peachness,I just read some posts on another thread and this is so relevant.Dontcha just love thread hopping,x R
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RHP User
12 years ago
According to Hermetic philosophy and the principle of polarity, all truths are half-truth. All lies are half-lies. Everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same;
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