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Straight Men who have Sex with Men (SMSM)
October 25 2012
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RHP User
12 years ago
We have a female friend who does not consider herself gay or Bi but has kissed , licked, been licked used a strap on, with other women at parties, just because she likes to be involved in the fun. She says it doesn't gross her out so why not join in the fun. She wouldn't do one on one FF private session but likes to participate in group action with girls !, she said " its feels good so why not on the night. My point, maybe some guys have a similar attitude to play fun sex .
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ruby_blossum
12 years ago
Yes.I have used this term before......Opportunistic Sensualist. (can apply to male or female )
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RHP User
12 years ago
If you wanna fuck it. Then fuck it......man or woman who cares!! Roxxy
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RHP User
12 years ago
Its an interesting question because some are going to put labels on it straight away. Throw everything aside that society thinks on the morals of homosexuality, this has been happening since day dot. Human nature is sexual. Its ingrained in all of us. Its not all about pro creation but more an act of making ones selves feel alive. Even the most militant wanker will want the close attention of another person. Hopefully in a generation from now converstions will be more about finding the likes and dislikes of a person and not judging of sexuality. "You betcha a love girls and guys" Reply "I only like girls" Cool And on a side note. Majority of guys are straight at a gay sauna.
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RHP User
12 years ago
sexuality is whatever you want it to be,and it really is about personal choice .If it feels good to you and another or others then who should really care....I am reminded of what someone else here said''labels are for jam jars''x R
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RHP User
12 years ago
If two guys play together without thier wives thats on a level of being Bisexual and so what! Are they going to tell all their mates, put a sign on their back for everyone to see? The only person it effects is the guys and not wanting lables is a problem with their self reconciliation with their sexuality, but its their problem no one elses. Quite different to say a 3some with your wife and another guy and all three play together, we have no problem with the curious lable. We think society accepts Bi stuff , just dont show it to us in the open like in shopping centres two girls holding hands kissing etc or two guys, we dont want to see it outside of the bedroom.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I think society in general doesn't accept "greyness" in sexual preference, especially for men. My theory on this is that it's men's homophobia that creates this lack of acceptance. I think men are so hung up on being labelled as different that they criticise and put down men who have sex with men.The irony of this is that many men who criticise may themselves be having sex with men.I've encountered lots of men in the swinging scene who are "ok" with another man sucking his cock while he plays with a woman. I think much of what happens in this scene is deemed as all part of the experience.The challenge is to get the broader community to accept that sexual preferences are not black or white or good or bad, it's simply about choice.Hugs, Saturn
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RHP User
12 years ago
Seems women can get together and stand around ruminating about the differences between our anatomical bits and pieces even been known to lob our breasts out amongst my girlfriends and discuss in detail the differences between our flat/ pointy/ pink/dark nipples, if we are an innie outtie etc, men don't seem to do this. ( disclaimer..we talk about our innies/outties..no need to bend over check each others out... ) Anywaaaaays..Men rather stand around and talk about womens bits then their own...but maybe just maybe...these sauna's are all filled with wondering blokes about the differences between each of them ? Ya think? Or do they all avert eyes? and really are there just to sweat out the garlic/wine and any other toxins?As for the lovely Miss Sat's musings..I'm in the "mehhhhhh" camp on this why put a label on everything? This is where it can confuse the innocents in wanting to dip a toe in another strange pond. It can put them off an experience thinking they are going to be labelled something and spend countless hours agonising if a drunken pash and grope up of a girlfriend now makes them bi when they don't want to be "bi" or whatever..Ok I stop rambling now...Great to see you here again my friend Miss xxx
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RHP User
12 years ago
was using women in my example of musings... my bad..swappem for a man and get my drift!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Fuck it fuck them if you want But if you do label it I dont think you can call them Straight they would be Bi but Big Deal
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RHP User
12 years ago
It's pretty simple. If you have sex with both men and women, you're bisexual. That's what the term means. I had an ex who claimed she was straight, she just liked having sex with women. The difference being she doesn't like to have relationships with women. I don't like having relationships with women either, maybe i'm asexual? No, it's not about relationships, it's sexual, it's about sex. There's too many damn anagrams these days.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Oh my dearest Saturn65, it's as if you wrote your comment directed at me. I'm happy to compare nipples, breasts and my other "bits" with you, especially knowing you're not going to label me ! Then again, feel free to label me a "bad girl" any time!!On a more serious note... try and tell a woman who has discovered her hubby cheating with men that he's not gay or bi. They just don't get it. Labelling sometime justifies behaviour. Without the labels people can be lost and confused. "You mean, he did it because he simply wanted to?". Sometimes the only reason we do something is because we are choosing to do that action at that point of time. Simple.Enough intellectualising for today, back to thinking about the lovely Saturn65s pink nipples ...xx Saturn
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RHP User
12 years ago
that fucks warm apple pie ohhh yeah that lable is a cook In prison men have sex with each other, as they do not serve apple pie a guy has to do what a guy has to do
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RHP User
12 years ago
I googled fear of "labels" and surprise surprise there is a phobia of the sticky labels and actual stickers types as in " It's the lack of control that you get when you've got one stuck to you and can't get it off" Id imagine eating an apple can be a terrifying experience for some..those little "gala apples made in batlow" are a bugger to get off your fingers...but in semi seriousness.. Pittakionophobia which is the above phobia maybe could be shortened to PITAphobia..all puns asides for OPs topic, for the types that dont want to be labeled ANYTHING! They can fuck anything they want how they want just dont call them anything as it could send them into major denial and have major impact on their fun...major rambling again..Think I drunk too much coffee today!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Interesting Miss Saturn.. I consider myself an open playmate..I love great sex and my mind is very open...for the right peoplpe at the right moment anything is possible and enjoyes..no labels no sterotypes.. I agree with you Satun open works for me too..
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RHP User
12 years ago
All my hetero mates including myself never desire another man in any way... you either are or not that way inclined full stop.I really dont give a bugga what persuasion a man might be , but to say he's not gay or bi when he plays with another male is a denial of the truth..I said it before... if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.. it is a duck....
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RHP User
12 years ago
Is indeed the ONLY community able to welcome its members with open cheeks....erm...I mean arms.. :p
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RHP User
12 years ago
damn society....its great isnt it ...TPTB are able to have people fighting amongst themselves over petty differences...god forbid we should worry about things that actually matter.....
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RHP User
12 years ago
Not something I've come across yet, but in the right circumstances in the heat of the moment and with Mrs C by my side I'd probably be happy for a dude to suck my cock. There, I've said it.There is no way in the world I would ever consider myself bi afterwards, I'm just not into men at all. Just quietly though I do really like having my cock sucked.The reality is, if you consider yourself bi then you are. If you consider yourself straight then you are, and if you think you're somewhere in-between well you are.It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or what labels other people think fit. To paraphrase a much more learned philosopher than myself - I think I'm straight, therefore I am straight.Mr C.
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RHP User
12 years ago
call it whatever you like ,,,,,,,,,who gives a rats arse ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,bring it on boys ,,,,,,,,,,,,,xxxxx
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RHP User
12 years ago
Met a guy and he said he lets guys on the mine site suck his cock, yes married straight guys are sucking cock on the mines. He said I just dont look at them when they do it , I shut my eyes and think of a woman the mines are just like prison sex. Your trapped up there with a bunch of men, and not enough women to go around The pilbra princesses are taken along comes a guy with a willing mouth, or other parts and your balls are blue who are we to judge or put a sticky label on a person? We all call ourselves things, and others things its just human nature to name every darn thing on the plannet, its only language, good bad and ugly.
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RHP User
12 years ago
A mouth just feels like a mouth so in extreme circumstance you do what you gotta do....and that came from a man who spent many years behind bars. Having said that.....YES...if a man has sex with another man he is bi sexual. Too easy. He may prefer women, he may rather have a relationship with a woman, but he is bi. I am straight. No way, no how will I ever kiss another woman in a sexual or sensual manner. JUST NOT HAPPENING! The idea is actually repugnant for me let alone the idea of doing more than kissing. YECHHHHHHH! I would rather take myself off somewhere and masturbate than have a woman do it for me.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'tuscanred' Met a guy and he said he lets guys on the mine site suck his cock, yes married straight guys are sucking cock on the mines. He said I just dont look at them when they do it , I shut my eyes and think of a woman the mines are just like prison sex. Your trapped up there with a bunch of men, and not enough women to go around The pilbra princesses are taken along comes a guy with a willing mouth, or other parts and your balls are blue who are we to judge or put a sticky label on a person? We all call ourselves things, and others things its just human nature to name every darn thing on the plannet, its only language, good bad and ugly. Plenty of lipstick action up here as well. You would be amazed at what happens on shift change.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Call it what you will. Maybe the guy is trysexual, as in he will try anything.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Well, I have for the purpose of this forum, classed myself as bi-curious. I've not yet had an encounter with another man, but it's something I wish to do. I am far more attracted to females, and don't think about men much at all. That said, I am happy to wear the tag, because at the end of the day, I want a taste of the lifestyle, but not live it. I am interested solely for the sexual experience it will offer, and that's where my limits will go. I have my list of things to try, and yes sucking a mans dick, taking dick, giving etc etc well that's part of it. Aside from just wanting to try it for the experience and nothing more, I would consider myself 'straight' but let's face it, if you are willing to do 'gay things' with other men, why not just be honest with yourself about what label you will wear. I'm not going to run around to all my mates and declare myself bi, as discretion is important, but when talking with like minded people, why deny it?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'The_Stranger76'It's pretty simple. If you have sex with both men and women, you're bisexual. That's what the term means. I had an ex who claimed she was straight, she just liked having sex with women. The difference being she doesn't like to have relationships with women. I don't like having relationships with women either, maybe i'm asexual? No, it's not about relationships, it's sexual, it's about sex. There's too many damn anagrams these days. I never considered myself bi-sexual. Then I was made aware of the difference between being bi-sexual and bi-amorous. I love having sex with a woman, but I could never be in a relationship with one.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I really dont know why this cums up so much, it is only used when looking at profiles to check out compatability. If you are looking to play a little with both sexs and dont acknowlege that as Bi ....well its your loss, whos got time for unsure, go with the flow etc.....we are meeting for sex. There are enough pretenders etc on sites like this and "next" cums to mind very easily. Or make dam sure in the 1st message say you like cock as well as pussy if you think mainstream is wrong with the meaning of Bi.
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Playful2looking
12 years ago
I like Roxy's Idea fuck it. Tribes or family groups where sex between males and females FF and MM is open and free. have less violence and are more successfulll in terms of raising off spring. less violence safer enviroment. male sex is different from female sex not better or worse. just diffenent. Surely its better to stab a man with your dick then a sword. He he haa You never know when you are going to need that man to fight off a threat.
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jordy666
12 years ago
Sexuality is the one of the most counter-intuitive parts of all of us. I'm a proud gay man but appreciate the female body, I came out ten years ago and since then have slept with a handful of women, it doesn't make me bi it just means I have sexual urges. I have met many men that just want to "try it" or "experiment" with their sexuality and they find that they enjoy it. In the animal kingdom a lot of animals engage in same sex sexual activities, at the end of the day its just primal nature!
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm going to be popular here lol....but if a man lets another man put his penis in his backside or lets him suck his cock and vice versa his gay or bi or whatever you want to call it LOL. There is no sugar coating (pardon the pun LOL) but its that simple. Its a label and a term for a reason and i'm sorry but you can't have your sausage and eat it to in relation to selective labels LOL.
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RHP User
12 years ago
You wouldnt happen to have a copy of that article, or a weblink? (If you read it online) I would love to have a read of it
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RHP User
12 years ago
i am not into guy at all.... not turned on by a man what so ever... but a tranny mmmm sexy woman with a nice cock, i will suck it...
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RHP User
12 years ago
Interesting post, never really thought about it much before but always threw the label of bisexual around to describe any kind of sexual play involving both sexes.. What of the guys who ONLY ever let a guy suck them but would never do it for another guy? Apart from selfish/greedy what could you call it other than bisexual
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RHP User
12 years ago
Come on people, Sex is Sex just go out and enjoy your self who gives a fuck....
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scrumbo
12 years ago
Maybe I am just a black and white type of person. Firstly, if you are not interested in/nor attracted sexually to a person of the same gender as yourself then what would possess you to engage in sexual activity with them? Secondly with regard to the smsm issue and the "could a straight person have sex with a person of the same sex" well yes of course, but why would you? Who the hell knows but its possible. Its like saying could you start smoking? Could you move interstate? Could you have a bbq on the weekend? Yes if you CHOOSE to. Bisexuals are by their nature interested sexually in both genders. Form my conversations with people I have met over the years I have gained some interesting perspectives. Some people are of the opinion, myself included that both men and women have their own unique appeal. There are things intrinsic to to both which are appealing for varying reasons. Some guys I have met have said "its all about the cock". They are not attracted to men but simply enjoy engaging in oral sex with them of having them penetrate them. Its like the tired old post that we probably have all read at some stage or another and possibly from the myriad of dating sites that are available, you know the one "when does someone stop being bicurious"? I would suggest that it would probably be the first time a guy puts another guys cock in his mouth or the first time a woman goes down on another woman. Curiousity sorted, end of story. You like it you do it again. You dont like it you put it down to experience and try to forget it ever happened. I suspect that if you liked it then that would most likely make you bisexual (assuming you also like the opposite sex). Lets call a spade a shovel shall we. If you enjoy sex with the same sex then you are not straight, accept it and move on. What the big deal anyway, its only sex. Its supposed to be fun.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I love the open mindedness of people here :) Demonstrates an openness that I see lacking. Men and men, women and women, and all that inbetween. If you get pleasure from it, why stop or question?Its not the sex that attracts me but the person. If I'm attracted to the person, the sex doesnt matter to me. I love Roxy's comment: Fuck It. And Coops14: Admire your honesty.peace and sex
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RHP User
12 years ago
"In a thousand years, there will be no men and women, just wankers, and that's fine by me." - Gregory's Girl, via Trainspotting I strongly disagree with the "if it looks like a duck" argument, as if labelling something is some innocuous activity that has no complications or consequences. Notably it's the fiercely straight identifying males who declare that if you touch penis you can't be straight - unusually in this instance in the minority. Language is inherently political and unstable, particularly for something as nebulous as human sexuality. I think it's naive and possibly dangerous to suggest sexuality conforms to some sort of black and white checkbox. As far as I'm concerned, it's one of the greyest areas in existence. Sure straight men can have sex with men, but then again I wouldn't put too much value on the label 'straight' anyway. I like to say that language is my bitch, but in reality, the opposite is true of us all.
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scrumbo
12 years ago
Point taken, but I don't quite follow. Why would she choose to do something sexual in a group setting with a bunch of other girls under the guise of having fun? If she wanted to do something fun collectively with other females would she not perhaps consider joining a netball team? Its ok everyone we dont need to row our boats up the river of denial. Lets just be honest with ourselves. Same sex activities (after the first time) make us at least bisexual. Its not rocket science. Just be kind to yourself, we are human, these things can be as simple or as complexed as we like to make them. I hope I have helped to simplify this for at least one person. Its kind of like taking responsibility for our actions as grown ups thats what we are supposed to do.
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inspirit
12 years ago
Think I have seen this done to death .........where is the bloody tags when you want them
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RHP User
12 years ago
no label is just sexual insecurity
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RHP User
12 years ago
funny shit....its not gay to want or allow another male to suck your cock...not at all....a lot of the the time its only ever about it being available...its oral sex, FFS. do men who enjoy their wives/partners to stimulate or penetrate their asses, identify as gay? i dont think so... its a sex act..... its not about the partner...its about a physical act.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I've been told as long as your balls don't touch it's not gay ...... Seriously if your having sex with men it's gay !
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ForeverLovers
12 years ago
This is a really interesting topic, thanks Miss Saturn. After reading a really intriguing post on the forums some time ago about STIs etc, we decided to go to our GP and see what they said about being tested/vaccinated etc. It was actually a fascinating experience for both of us. Some of the STIs I had heard of (they made me feel a bit squirmy lol!), others I hadn't. We got our results back together (which is unsual apparently!) and were both thrilled to be declared free of STIs (we had never knowingly had one, but wanted to be tested just in case). We also went on to have some Hep vaccinations but that's another story. Anyway! (Sorry, long winded!). The doctor knows about our lifestyle choice, to share our sexual relationship with other people. She was really cool about it and gave us some tips. The most profound thing she said to me though was "be very careful when you are with a guy who you suspect may have had sex with another guy". I quizzed her on this, and she said that there was currently a growing problem with guys who do not identify themselves as gay or bi, having sexual relationships with other guys, and because of whatever reason (denial, thinking they're straight, the thrill, risk?) they are not using protection, and often the guys they are fooling around with ARE openly gay or bi. She said that in our state the number of males who are presenting with SIDs is growing expedentially and many of them identify themselves as straight. Of course STIs can be passed on in a myriad of ways and by guys and women, but there is apparently research out there saying that some "straight" guys are having sexual experiences with other guys and not acknowledging the potential risks. I am bi-sexual, Mr FL is straight. We choose not to chat with guys who identify themselves as bi or who indicate they are interested in meeting men and/or transexuals as well as couples. This is definitely not out of any phobia, simply a health related decision we made based on our GP's advice. We totally support guys who seek bi experiences, I actually think it would be quite a thrill. I mean I'm bi, so if Mr FL was I'd support him totally. Will this "selection criteria" stop us from getting STIs? Doubtful lol! But it's just one thing in a range of decisions we have made to try and play safely. The reason I've rambled on about this is that I support the right of any guy to pursue whatever sexual endeavours he wishes. I would like to think though, if a guy who identifies himself as "straight" to a woman or a couple as a potential play mate he would be either as sure as possible that he has practised safe sex in a MM situation *or* he discloses the information to his potential partners and lets them assess the risk. If he is in an otherwise monogamous relationship with a woman, he needs to consider the risks to her as well. I totally get why some people (either sex) choose to be discreet about their sexual preferences. It is a very personal thing. I'm also not so keen on the whole labelling thing. My motto is live and let live. But ..... as I said, this trip to the doctor was a pretty big eye opener and made me realise that there is a really serious health risk to choosing a lifestyle such as ours, and by potential playmates being honest with us we can hopefully have safe and fun sex! Mrs FL xxx
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RHP User
12 years ago
I think ppl make way 2 much of gay / bi / straight it's about having gr8 sex no matter who or how many r in the room .. If Ur all getting off on it that's all that counts we don't need labels - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
I have said it before, that I am not really a big fan of labels, however if a man has intentional sexual contact with another male then he falls within the definition of "bisexual". I think the really sad thing is that our society is so obsessed with categorisation and pigeon-holing everything and everyone under convenient labels, some become uncomfortable with the label society chooses for them. All another symptom of prejudice and double standards. I say...."live free or die" being free has a degree of self knowledge, denial of basic truths in ones own mind is not a fun road to travel. I am again remind of Polonius' wise words to his son, Laertes......."and this above all else, to thine own self be true" and a little of Bobby McFerrin..."don't worry....beeeeeeee happy!...be happy NOW!"
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RHP User
12 years ago
Boys and girls i have being suprise of what i red until now....Question 1 : Does sexuality put labels ???? Question 2 : Does society put labels ???I have the answer only for the second question. Yes society puts labels in every one of us either we like it or not...We are by nature social beings with sexuality and least but not forgotten MORALITY......So yea we do put labels to others and all of you who say there no labels perhaps you should do a reset or a better a small research in www, because labels don't work as discrimination but they define and distinguish us among the others. Somewhere else i red "it's simple sex so who gives a fuck". Well i do give a fuck..I want to know my sexual parterners. they have a name, personality and the sexuallity to put me on the bed and set the world on fire :) !!!!And somewhere else someone said : "I am a proud gay". Well this is the attitude that i admire... to know who you re and what you want...Did he put any bad label...of course not. he just told the truth about him. So yea for me bi-sexual is someone that has the goods from both worlds, gay someone that likes his own world and straight someone that likes the rest of the world :) lol... there is nothing wrong with any of the above sexual categories as long as they respect each other. as for smsm it is an other label that a freak out sex psycho wants to make it sounds like an other every day thing.
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RHP User
12 years ago
If your so called str8 and having sex with men " your bi , simple " but we don't judge here ,your life your choice .
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StookyAndChooky
12 years ago
maybe straight men and seeking out all options just in case they have no such luck with women so to speak
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RHP User
12 years ago
Labels labels labels... For the purpose of sexual encounters or gratification, I am bisexual - well really - a 'whatever' sexual because I have no preference, let's just get free, wild and get each other off! But would I label myself 'bisexual' outside the above purpose? Hell no. I would never seek a woman. So how does one define oneself? Sexually bisexual, real life (love/relationship?) straight. Closest I can get. xx Whore
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RHP User
12 years ago
i agree with you. if you are in mixed company and having a good time then something happens on the srup of the moment or your lady asks you to help her out with the cock she is playing with then i think that is ok. but not really intetrested in a 1 on 1 with a guy.
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RHP User
12 years ago
What a crock of sh*t!! If a man has sex with another man (guessing its more than once), there is no way he isnt at least bi. I understand about straight girls kissing other girls, but this is fuc*ing. Its sexual, kissing doesnt have to be, so these so called straigh men need to snap out of their denial and accept their sexuallity if thats what they like doing. I cant believe anyone falls for this sh*t!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'mikeandshel'funny shit....its not gay to want or allow another male to suck your cock...not at all....a lot of the the time its only ever about it being available...its oral sex, FFS. do men who enjoy their wives/partners to stimulate or penetrate their asses, identify as gay? i dont think so... its a sex act..... its not about the partner...its about a physical act. If I'm straight and I like being fucked by a man, I will love being fucked with a strap-on by a woman just as much?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'rudemonkeyman'I've been told as long as your balls don't touch it's not gay ...... Seriously if your having sex with men it's gay ! I want to touch your balls does that make me gay, or just happy?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Really well said ForeverLovers.I agree with everything you wrote about risks etc I am always 100% safe with intercourse but I wonder how much risk I expose myself with oral. it makes me wonder some of the times about going 100% safe but that seems very taboo?I also agree its incredibly hard to tell someone your bi as they see you different instantly.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Hmmmm, still reflecting on this one! To be honest, its a turnoff personally to know straight guys are engaging with ts'tv's, especially when they put down 'gay' men as not real men, hmmmm - Posted from rhpmobile
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Cheekyarses
12 years ago
Who cares really! 'People in glass houses should never throw stones'.... Everyone is different n we all have different needs, wants n experiences. People are so quick to judge others! Life n let live xxx
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'ForeverLovers' Anyway! (Sorry, long winded!). The doctor knows about our lifestyle choice, to share our sexual relationship with other people. She was really cool about it and gave us some tips. The most profound thing she said to me though was "be very careful when you are with a guy who you suspect may have had sex with another guy". I quizzed her on this, and she said that there was currently a growing problem with guys who do not identify themselves as gay or bi, having sexual relationships with other guys, and because of whatever reason (denial, thinking they're straight, the thrill, risk?) they are not using protection, and often the guys they are fooling around with ARE openly gay or bi. She said that in our state the number of males who are presenting with SIDs is growing expedentially and many of them identify themselves as straight. Of course STIs can be passed on in a myriad of ways and by guys and women, but there is apparently research out there saying that some "straight" guys are having sexual experiences with other guys and not acknowledging the potential risks. I am bi-sexual, Mr FL is straight. We choose not to chat with guys who identify themselves as bi or who indicate they are interested in meeting men and/or transexuals as well as couples. This is definitely not out of any phobia, simply a health related decision we made based on our GP's advice. We totally support guys who seek bi experiences, I actually think it would be quite a thrill. I mean I'm bi, so if Mr FL was I'd support him totally. Will this "selection criteria" stop us from getting STIs? Doubtful lol! But it's just one thing in a range of decisions we have made to try and play safely. Your argument makes no sense. If you follow your argument you should not be having sex with straight men either because you don't know if they have been with bi or gay men. And it's quite insulting because you are insinuating that this demographic are all unsafe. Men are complete sluts its true.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'tuscanred' Quoting 'rudemonkeyman'I've been told as long as your balls don't touch it's not gay ...... Seriously if your having sex with men it's gay ! I want to touch your balls does that make me gay, or just happy? It makes you thrilled and ecstatic... nothing better than bashing balls don't you think Tuscanred
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RHP User
12 years ago
and another reason to come to sunny Queensland
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Ms_Devious' Quoting 'mikeandshel'funny shit....its not gay to want or allow another male to suck your cock...not at all....a lot of the the time its only ever about it being available...its oral sex, FFS. do men who enjoy their wives/partners to stimulate or penetrate their asses, identify as gay? i dont think so... its a sex act..... its not about the partner...its about a physical act. If I'm straight and I like being fucked by a man, I will love being fucked with a strap-on by a woman just as much? That seems to be exactly what Mike is saying. It's the act and it doesn't matter who is doing it. Interesting thought. So what? You are attracted to a cock only? Any cock will do? This is obviously not true so I don't think you can say that the act is independent of the person performing the act. I do completely understand where you are coming from though but I would still say Mike that someone who is completely straight would never want or welcome any sort of sexual contact from the same sex. If you are interested in a woman bonking your butt is one thing, if you only want a man to bonk your butt that is another. For the person commenting on only being with the same sex during group sex... well that happens all the time. Those people are obviously not straight but that doesn't mean they are particularly attracted to the same sex or that they would have a relationship or one on one sex with the same sex. Alot of people still consider themselves straight. Everyone has their own definitions. I, myself am straight with a slight twist. Ms D you say you would never have a relationship with a woman? Well maybe you just haven't found the right woman. We are all probably capable of having a loving relationship with both sexes if we wanted.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I define my sexual orientation on the basis of my sexual attraction, which is solely for men. I have no doubt that a woman could simulate me to orgasim but that would be just a physical act and not one that would change my orientation. So I'm in the 'not necessarily' camp.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Ms_Devious' If I'm straight and I like being fucked by a man, I will love being fucked with a strap-on by a woman just as much? Oh I forgot to say. FUCK YEAH!!!!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Your argument makes no sense. If you follow your argument you should not be having sex with straight men either because you don't know if they have been with bi or gay men. And it's quite insulting because you are insinuating that this demographic are all unsafe. I thought the same thing on both accounts. Bisexual men as a category may have a higher statistical chance of having an STI, but there are a lot of assumptions and illogical conclusions in ForeverLovers post, and a basic misunderstanding of 'risk'. Correlation does not equal causation.First of all, it's incredibly disappointing to have a medical professional say something like "there was currently a growing problem with guys who do not identify themselves as gay or bi, having sexual relationships with other guys, and because of whatever reason (denial, thinking they're straight, the thrill, risk?) they are not using protection, and often the guys they are fooling around with ARE openly gay or bi." It's kind of that 'bisexuals/gay men are inherently promiscuous and unsafe' stereotype, and by extension are naturally risk takers etc. that the Australian Christian Lobby or George Pell would say (in fact, they have.) It would not surprise me in the slightest if people in the 'swinging' lifestyle had just as high rates of STIs than 'normal' bisexual or gay men, if not higher. As for bisexual swingers, it's not like it's a cumulative risk, so it's not a case of having the risk of swinging plus the 'added risk' of being bisexual. Statistics don't work that way (and neither do STI vectors.)Then there is the blanket ban on playing with bisexual men you have, which actively encourages men not to list their sexual proclivities on their profiles and instead describe themselves as 'straight', which defies the purpose and actually encourages men not to disclose their sexual history. Plus it contributes to the stigma of bisexuality for the above reason. All up, you have every right to create your own criteria and to not play with anyone for whatever reasons you choose, but your reasoning seems pretty confused here.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm new to this but am amazed at the opinions about labelling others ..shld this not be up 2 the individual . If U choose 2 label urself well good on u be proud of what u choose but as a society we shld not label ppl ... that shld be there choice ... I'm proud of what I do I just wouldn't want 2 label it & really wouldn't know what 2 label it ... Hmmmm looks like we need 2 label a new category ... Sexed up crazy bitch willing 2 try anything 2 get off .. Oh no I know lets label it FUN ; )- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Ms_Devious' Quoting 'mikeandshel'funny shit....its not gay to want or allow another male to suck your cock...not at all....a lot of the the time its only ever about it being available...its oral sex, FFS. do men who enjoy their wives/partners to stimulate or penetrate their asses, identify as gay? i dont think so... its a sex act..... its not about the partner...its about a physical act. If I'm straight and I like being fucked by a man, I will love being fucked with a strap-on by a woman just as much? many straight guys love their female partners to either stimulate....or penetrate their asses....with fingers, toys, tongues, fists and a wide range of assorted objects.... this doesn mean the guys either bi...or gay. same thing can be said of a guy who takes advantage of an opportunity...ie an available mouth. its a mouth...willing and available....making use of it doesnt indicate an interest, sexually, or romantically....and for a guy to be bi, or gay, at least one of these must be in play. if the guys out there and actively seeking contact with other guys...for the purpose of gratification..then yea, hes showing bi behaviour.... if its one of those things that just happens randomly, as in, by chance and circumstance, and he thinks 'oh, why not?'....then how would that 'define' him as bi, gay, or otherwise?
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RHP User
12 years ago
Out of all the guys married and single that we have met 98% of them say on their profile they are straight, their reason for saying they are straight is they think only straight guys get a girls.....Well I know lots of bisexual guys who get girls too.....But this was about is Straight men who have sex with men, well I have seen a bit of straight timber and I can tell you I have never seen a straight man yet...For a start when he walks his knees bend, his arms swing and when he bends over his back is bent, so there is no such thing as a straight man....I do know a lot of so call straight men who would like to bend me over or sit me in their lap, but it all comes down to one thing: SEXDo you like SEX and who you like to have SEX with, this is our choice so go out and have fun (OH and SEX)There is only 3 types of people:(1) Heterosexual (nothing is that say straight)(2) Bisexual (nothing is that say straight)(3) Homosexual (nothing is that say straight)Just go out and enjoy sex the way you wish too, this world is really fucked up
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RHP User
12 years ago
Neptune said "swingers have the same STI rate as bisexual men."We would put for forward single men fit that better:One night out to a gay bar looking for some bum sex.2nd night, telling a girl she is the one love of his life gets in her pants ...another notch in the belt.3rd....fuck buddie with couples.Holidays....Bali ...sex is easy there.guys night a swingers parties.Then of course the public toilet sexThey have all this on tap......................See whats the point in throwing accusations around?
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RHP User
12 years ago
People are who they are, regardless of what label is put on them, by themselves or others. As long as you're honest and upfront with potential partners, does the acronym really matter. Personally, I'm straight, I have no attraction to men whatsoever. Having said that- with regards to the balls touching you must be gay comment, I'd love to do mmf/mf-tv/ts DP, so I assume that makes me gay? No freakin way it's just a bit of naughty fun.
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ForeverLovers
12 years ago
This thread continue to provide an intriguing insight into how the RHP community views SMSM. Just as the original poster I mentioned earlier made us stop and think about risk, apparently so to has our post, with a rather overwhelming response which shows it is a very important subject. If I may reply to two directed comments (apologies, I don't know how to incorporate original quotes, plus they seem to take up a lot of space!): Meeka, you say that my argument makes no sense? I have to disagree, it boils down to making a considered decision and reducing risk. You don't think there are *any* honest guys out there who would admit to having male partners? Wow. I'd rather think the opposite, that there are men who will take responsibility for their sexual health and be up front with people they are sexually involved with. Then their prospective partners can assess the risk and make and informed decision. Following my original argument, each person makes their own decision based on the information available to them. What more can you do? As for being insulting; at no stage did I insinuate that this demographic are *all* unsafe, I am not prone to exaggeration or twisting words. I simply relayed information we had been given by a medical practioner. (And on the subject of being insulting .... all men are sluts? Really? Wow. Um, nope, they're not lol!). Neptune Drift - no, there were no assumptions or illogical conclusions in my post, and the overwhelming response has been that it is fantastic that medical practioners are up on "trends" (for want of a better word) and aware of risks. In fact the GP freely offered to the means for us to access the information had, some coming from the AMA, some from the state Sexual Health Body, WHO and other research information. I couldn't help but feel that neither of the above replies were based on actual facts, rather an emotional response, which is fine, but by post referred to information that is researchable, reportable and provided by reputable organisations. SMSM in relation to sexual health *is* an issue. It is being discussed in the most respected medical and sociological communities. I don't think I can post links here but for example type into Google "CDC STDs in Men Who Have Sex with Men". Now, CDC is kind of an authority on this subject you would both have to admit, being the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. What they say totally supports the information we were given. Or look at the glbtq site which is the world's largest encylopedia of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and queer culture. Again, Google "glbtq Straight Men Who Have Sex with Men" and you'll find an interesting, authoritative insight into SMSM. Whilst some people may be confused about their sexuality, their desires etc ..... I am not one of them. I have great clarity of thought in this area and I also doubt very much that any man would change his profile to "match" our requirements - much as I think we're a great couple, I don't think we're that powerful and influential lol! People will put whatever they want on their profile. I've just hopefully given anyone stumbling across this thread some food for thought with regards to one particular aspect of SMSM. I must say it gave me rather nasty shivers to read the names of the Australian Christian Lobby and George Pell in a response to my post. Sterotyping is a dangerous path to travel down and as I clearly stated before, we are not fond of labelling and categorising, we believe in the ethos "live and let live". And .... if you want to have an educated point of view on a topic - do some research. Nothing wrong with an emotional response either ..... just a different way at looking at things. SMSM is not a new issue, it is probably one of the oldest forms of sexual interaction on the planet, just has a name now! It is a subject of interest and again I'm glad to see it being discussed. Here's to safe, sexy times! Mrs FL xxx
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm a extremely super horny male dirty slut for cock. Yet I have no other physical or mental attraction 4 men and don't even enjoy touching any other part of the male form or any other inter reaction with the men I'm making myself filfie dirty on. I don't know what it is with me and other men's cocks. And the bigger & fatter the more I go crazy on it. I've learnt to deep throat through practice and luv a massive fat cock in my arse. And also luv to hav cum sprayed all ova my face and in my mouth. My favourite is male spa houses were I can hide myself behind the door of a glory hole room and suck fuck and make cum as many cocks that show em selves to my face. I do all this with out looking at the man who's cock it is because it just puts me off to see a man maybe liking me in a relationship kind of way. And I also don't like men playing with my cock. So there u go I luv cock but hate men. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Futurenomads'Neptune said "swingers have the same STI rate as bisexual men."We would put for forward single men fit that better:One night out to a gay bar looking for some bum sex.2nd night, telling a girl she is the one love of his life gets in her pants ...another notch in the belt.3rd....fuck buddie with couples.Holidays....Bali ...sex is easy there.guys night a swingers parties.Then of course the public toilet sexThey have all this on tap......................See whats the point in throwing accusations around? As for you... huh??
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Ms_Devious' Quoting 'Futurenomads'Neptune said "swingers have the same STI rate as bisexual men."We would put for forward single men fit that better:One night out to a gay bar looking for some bum sex.2nd night, telling a girl she is the one love of his life gets in her pants ...another notch in the belt.3rd....fuck buddie with couples.Holidays....Bali ...sex is easy there.guys night a swingers parties.Then of course the public toilet sexThey have all this on tap......................See whats the point in throwing accusations around? As for you... huh?? We will wait for Neptune to present the facts and source then! I think its his opinion only, Its going to be interesting where his pool of swingers are from to make such a statement. swingers equal or exceed STI vs Bisexual men.Maybe he meant just Bi swingers? My story was made up...just to point out"Whats to be gained at finger pointing one group"? You don't like someone saying singles are being the most dangerous group out there ....
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RHP User
12 years ago
Again I disagree and I think you are contradicting yourself. By the way I have read and heard numerous times that its women in the over 35 category have the highest increase of STI's. therefore you are in a high risk category. I know loads of men who are sluts and are proud of it. A guy that has a big weekend in one of those gay saunas could have sexual contact with up to 20-50 guys on a huge weekend. My mind boggles at these numbers. I have been told that there are LOADS of straight married men there. At the end of the day trends are bullshit when it comes to your individual health. So the fact you have cut out bi guys means absolutely nothing because people do lie. So maybe the person you are hooking up with is telling you the truth but what about their partners? It takes contact with only one. I think you are being naive in believing that everyone is going to be truthful. And by the way, you were the one that said men are not admitting to having sex with other men not me.
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RHP User
12 years ago
a very yummy jam,jamie one.
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RHP User
12 years ago
OMG!!! I agree with you. Lol. I don't think you can really say there is any particular demographic that is riskier than the other. A generalization is that gay men are more promiscuous but can you really say that now? What about couples that swing most weekends or women that pick up in a pub every other weekend? The only really safe people are virgins (see I am sticking up for you ND) and couples who are monogamous.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Sorry can't be bothered reading most of it. What is SMSM? Anyone??
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RHP User
12 years ago
Just saw the title of the thread. :)
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RHP User
12 years ago
1/ Whats the bet you heard that from a bisexual guy.....wanting to justify his insecurity about his sexuality.2/ What percentage of married guys visit gay saunas....well this duck little hasn't met one!We will run a mile any whiff of that stuff....no interest in playing bum sex, with dental dams, condoms for oral and intercourse, we just could not be bothered rather stay at home.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Just saw the title of the thread. :)Ok thanks meeka now I know it too As it goes for gay saunas or any male bath rooms I don't see the interest... Maybe I'm a little backwards but I don't get turn on be with heaps of male trying to get sex out of me.....Oh plus we don't have them in our little backward town.... Just a nice nude beach.....I'm happy to just have one full time that I can trust.......
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Futurenomads' Neptune said "swingers have the same STI rate as bisexual men."We would put for forward single men fit that better:One night out to a gay bar looking for some bum sex.2nd night, telling a girl she is the one love of his life gets in her pants ...another notch in the belt.3rd....fuck buddie with couples.Holidays....Bali ...sex is easy there.guys night a swingers parties.Then of course the public toilet sexThey have all this on tap......................See whats the point in throwing accusations around? That's my point exactly. It seems odd to me to cut out a demographic because of a perceived 'high risk', when the other partners you choose are just as high risk. Google "STI swingers" for instance - you'll come across a story from 2010 that identifies mature-age swingers as just as high a risk category as teenagers and gay and bisexual men (traditional 'high-risk categories') conducted by the South Limburg Public Health Service and Maastricht University in the Netherlands, published in the peer-reviewed journal, Sexually Transmitted Infections. The NHS website has a good overview of the study and the statistics - search "Swingers at greater risk of STIs NHS". Looksy, science!
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'Futurenomads'1/ Whats the bet you heard that from a bisexual guy.....wanting to justify his insecurity about his sexuality.2/ What percentage of married guys visit gay saunas....well this duck little hasn't met one!We will run a mile any whiff of that stuff....no interest in playing bum sex, with dental dams, condoms for oral and intercourse, we just could not be bothered rather stay at home. Too much thinking, assuming, concluding and betting going on here for my personal liking... I do agree with one statement though: Stay at home.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Futurenomads I heard that from an old favourite forum contributor of yours.... And he isn't insecure about his sexuality at all as you may remember. He was just stating that in his considerable experience of going to these places over the years that he has met lots and lots of married men at these places. Particularly when they are not getting much at home. And you know what Nomads I reckon, and just my opinion so could be totally wrong, most of these guys have this as a secret double life and wouldn't be telling people about it so you would never know. I read somewhere once that half the men in the Sydney CBD are wearing suspenders, stockings and girlie panties on under their suits.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Meeks, we don't believe a word from your old friend....we fell out because he advertised in this forum that "we were the most unsafe couple here" We found that totally contrary to the swingers lifestyle, and what you and us are defending above....not to single out people. We were discussing topics and he took it to a very personal level by doing that .....long before we came under your radar.Yep Neptune looked that up, their swingers sample don't represent reality as we know it.And Ms Devious...we will stay at home rather than meet types we have no interest in.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Quoting 'chickcara'Not something I've come across yet, but in the right circumstances in the heat of the moment and with Mrs C by my side I'd probably be happy for a dude to suck my cock. There, I've said it. There is no way in the world I would ever consider myself bi afterwards, I'm just not into men at all. Just quietly though I do really like having my cock sucked. The reality is, if you consider yourself bi then you are. If you consider yourself straight then you are, and if you think you're somewhere in-between well you are. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or what labels other people think fit. To paraphrase a much more learned philosopher than myself - I think I'm straight, therefore I am straight. Mr C.
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RHP User
12 years ago
Oh my memory is completely different to that FN. I do remember you definitely had a hard on for him for some reason but then again you don't like things that don't subscribe to your own point of view. My points above are nothing to do with a swinging lifestyle nor was I defending anything. Just making comments and suggesting to you that you are not always right. So again you have misunderstood what I am trying to say. Fear obviously clouds your eyes. And who cares anyway .... I certainly don't.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm not gay but I have had a guy suck me so yeah- Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
12 years ago
I identify with SMSM and agree with the notion. I have no interest, or attraction with men but for the sake of a bit of adult fine, its okay.
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RHP User
12 years ago
I eat vegetables yet not a vagan I eat meat but not a carnivore I ride a pushbike but not a athlete The list can go on & while I havent had sex with a man I wouldnt rule it out given the right circumstances but dont or wouldnt think or consider myself gay or bi if I did
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RHP User
12 years ago
Neptune.. How sad it is when you relate swingers to std's. What about the singles out there that fuck anything they can get their hands on, in toilets in bars etc. There is no difference between a swinger and anyone that has an active sex life. In fact swingers are more concerned about safe sex than the other so in fact in my 20 years on the swinging scene I feel I am very qualified to say that swingers do practice very safe sex. My condom bill at the club would prove that. I ask you can you say that most young kids and singles out there do the same when they are drunk and in the mood and in the back seat of a car or in the toilets of a pub. I say NO. So I take offence at you categorising swingers as candidates for std,s. Leesa xxx
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RHP User
12 years ago
this may help.........'psychology today' said the following about this very topic....."Straight men who have sex with men do so for a variety of reasons. Some have been sexually abused and are compulsively reenacting childhood sexual trauma by male perpetrators; some find sexual release with another man more accessible; some have sex with men because it's easier and requires fewer social skills than those required to have sex with women; some are "gay for pay" and get financial rewards; some like the attention they receive from other men; some like anal sex, which they're otherwise too ashamed to talk about or engage in with their female partners." its been my experience that many men do indulge in same sex practices, just because they cannot find a willing female partner.... and its been my personal experience that many many married men do frequent gay bath houses, beats and cruises, its not just anectdotal...its fact. same goes for 'straight' swinging couples...... the number of times we've been approached by the male half of a straight playing swinger couple, for bi fun on the sly, would indicate that its much more than a random fantasy, its something thats sought out more often than people realise........
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RHP User
12 years ago
I look at sexuality as a line from totally into sex with the same sex and repulsed by the opposite sex to opposite sex only and can't understand in any way same sex encounters. Apart from those who don't want sex at all (and I don't think we have many of them on this site), we all fit in somewhere on this continum. Where we fit may even vary at times, depending on stage of life, where we are living or even what we are being offered and by whom. Labelling someone is not something I'm into... to say someone is bi because the may have once had a same sex encounter.... didn't dislike it and would rule it out again but haven't done it for 25 years is the same label as someone at the other end who for the most part likes same sex but may have had a play with the opposite sex and never rule out donig it again. I fit around the middle I suppose at the moment.... sometimes I want women only and other times happy to be with a bloke.... I actully like to get with both at once to be honest. Putting a label on this site may be difficult for those who say wouldn't mind a same sex encounter, but don't want to be constantly asked. I have sent a flirt/message to "straight" profiles and had sexual encounters with some of these blokes.... they don't claim to be bi or gay or even bi curious.... they just want to have some good sex as the feeling takes them. Sex with men and women I very different and fulfills different needs. I'm glad thtr people are more keen now to explore different sexual experience. I'd say to everyone... give it a go... don't label yourself or others..... move along the continum of sexuality as you feel like it.
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RHP User
12 years ago
If you list yourself on RHP as a couple and the guy lists as bi and you get approached for bi play...I would say RHP is working for you.Also if you go to Bi / Gay hang outs, bars, clubs, saunas etc of course you are going to meet bi / gay guys.Don't fool yourself, Bi play with guys is NOT mainstream......maybe 1-2% its just you are putting yourself there. Thanks Leesa, For us we have been swinging for 6 years now and we have never had a STI in our lives (yes confirmed by the sex clinic as far as testing goes)I think its trying to justify their problems pointing the finger at others!
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RHP User
12 years ago
You know I don't under stand most people on here, as not so long ago there was a thread, where someone said Bisexual guys (not bi-females) where the worst for STI carriers which was not to be true....I am BISEXUAL and this is what I say about myself in our profile and I'm god dam fucking proud of being bisexual and nether my self or my wife have ever had any STI's of any kind and we have been swinging on RHP now for 3 years and have swung for the past 10years but we are very careful with who we play with... (Again it comes to trust)You can read all the books, web pagers and go to as many doctor as you like but it still comes back to one thing SAFETY and how you like to play, we all should know as much as we can about STI's which hopefully will save us getting it...But when it comes to smsm its up to them if they like to say they are straight but I would never say a guy who has sex with a guy is straight but I would not call him gay ether, thats why there a word called BISEXUAL it mean only one thing: if you are a male/female you like playing with males and females there no shame in this as its all good SEX..... (you can sugar coat this as many ways as you like but it will not change) Yes we do go pass profiles that say the male is straight as we are looking for a bisexual male single or in a couples but out of the last 12 months 98% of guys we have met have on their profile they are straight but in a e-mail to us they say they are bisexual, the only reason they don't put it on their profile they are bisexual is the fucking STIGMA that people on here cause by all the shit that gets written in the threads...I think this is a place where people like to create and argument or just have a go at others, get over it and look after your self (old saying: don't throw rock when you live in a glass house) After all that you all have a nice Xmas and be safe xxxxxxxx GT
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RHP User
12 years ago
here,here i agree
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RHP User
12 years ago
I fall into this category. The label depends on the persons own interpretation. I don't find men attractive( unless naked 😉) I would never want a relationship with a guy. Yet I have in the past year enjoyed all facets of gay sex. Gay sex for me is both a curiosity and something different. Plus, as I generally only get sex about 4 or 5 times a year and its far easier to meet interested men than it is to meet interested women here, I guess a naked male romp keeps me sane 😏 I don't feel that the term bisexual really feels right for me. I can no longer claim bi curious, so this term( which is new to me) is perhaps the best so far
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RHP User
12 years ago
I'm not gay but one of my biggest regrets is not letting a gay man suck me when he asked to.
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