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Swingers under attack....well in melbourne anyway.

January 09 2016

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AN underground swingers party is attracting sex-crazed couples and singles to a quiet, suburban area. The parties are allegedly being held in a home in a residential street in Pakenham, close to families and others living modestly away from Melbourne’s CBD.The suspected sex house, where “sexy attire” is mandatory after 10pm, was uncovered in July and it was allegedly operating illegally, with men charged $80 to participate in the parties.The Pakenham Gazette reported a disgruntled neighbour sent a letter to other residents about the sex parties, encouraging them to contact council to shut it down. The letter suggested the house threw the wild parties for sexual deviants on Friday and Saturday nights and the neighbour was concerned about the type of characters it might attract to the area.“There is no security at the door and sooner or later the wrong element is going to be attracted to these parties and then who knows what may happen,” the letter read.This is certainly not the kind of thing that should be going on in a suburban area and in a narrow, quiet street.”The letter also stated there was an increase in cars and pedestrian traffic in the street on Friday and Saturday nights from 9pm to 2am.Cardinia Shire Council launched an investigation into the alleged illegal sex party, believed to be operating as a business without permits, and recently ruled it would not be putting a stop to it.Council’s Development and Compliance Services manager Brett Jackson said they were probing into whether the alleged activities at the Pakenham home breached the Cardinia Planning Schemes.“Such actions could have breached this planning scheme if they involved a ‘use’ that required a planning permit that had not been obtained, or the use was prohibited at that location,” he said.“Where a breach of the Cardinia Planning Scheme occurs, council has powers under the Planning and Environment Act 1987 to take actions to resolve the breach.“As part of the investigation, council spoke to a number of people allegedly involved in the suspected activities, as well as pursuing other means of investigation.”The investigation was closed last month after council could not gather sufficient evidence to prove a breach in the planning scheme.The sex parties are allegedly open to swinging couples at a price of $30, and single women can enter free of charge.It is believed alleged sex parties have been held at the residence since June last year and a website lists rules for revellers.People are to arrive in a quiet manner and are advised to park in a street away from the house party to uphold the secrecy of the location.Hosts of the party have posted online there are two “porno rooms”, a Balinese play room, a queen play room and an open group room.There are also two showers and two toilets.All revellers are to be aged between 21 and 55 and be English speaking.Hosts also request photographs from men planning to attend the parties prior to when they are held.

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    The SE suburbs of Melb have always had Debauchery and raunchy goings on ,,, lol

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    They've planned & executed the perfect event. I especially like that they've gone "stealth" by requesting ppl arrive & leave in a quiet manner and park in surrounding streets to uphold secrecy. When you're on a good thing- stick to it✅ I wish them all the best 👍. I wonder how far council will go to "collect evidence" though..... Awesome profile pic SS😉

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    It's interesting that people associate swingers with unsavoury characters...Hmmm..... really? Thought I was just horny... Lilly

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    Old news... Googling the article shows it was first published (basically word for word) back in July 2015. Also, subsequent articles (as well as in this text) showed that there was no legal case to answer and thus no action taken. Regardless, this party (and I recognised it and have obviously been there) had afterwards moved to a handful of locations in the SE area.

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    Shocking 😱 lol people actually having sex, wonder how long it is since the people complaining have had it hmm me thinks they need a good 'root' themselves 😀😯

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  • AnnieWhichway

    AnnieWhichway

    9 years ago

    Behaviour. What next? Sex based online dating service for these deviates? Where will it end?

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  • social_suicide

    social_suicide

    9 years ago

    You can't be serious.... there is no way a decent society would allow sex dating sites.....what next.....sex clubs?

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  • Mischeviouslad

    Mischeviouslad

    9 years ago

    Forget the element of sex... because that happens inside the house where I couldn't give a damn what happens. But if my neighbour was running a business from their home that regularly and adversely affected parking, noise, or any antisocial behaviour outside of the property..... I wouldn't be that happy about it.

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    If I received a letter in the post from a neighbour telling me about a house on our street holding sex parties I would definitely have to go undercover and investigate 😂😂. - Posted from rhpmobile

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  • social_suicide

    social_suicide

    9 years ago

    ....."The Pakenham Gazette reported"....it was in the article. Obviously its cut and paste....from FB surprisingly, does that matter?

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    What antisocial behavior would be happening outside? I would imagine people would arrive and leave discretely, not like they'd be gettin it on in the front yard lol 😉😁 noise could be an issue, then again, the noise that comes out of my place when i'm alone is enough for the neighbors to complain 😯 seriously though, I wouldn't complain, i'd just ask for an invite 👍

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  • sweetgem

    sweetgem

    9 years ago

    What people do inside their own properties as it's their right and freedom to do so. However, if one of my neighbours was running a sex party business, I hope they had good sound proof setting in place to block out their loud sexual moans and screams (as some people can get very loud during sex), so that their action would not affect the small children in the neighbourhood, given that the same thing could be taking place on a regular basis! We, human beings, can be selfish at times and don't often think too deep about the effects of our actions that could bring upon others, when we claim to behave in our own rights, and that's when damages occur whether or not we agree! - Posted from rhpmobile

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  • DynamicCouple36

    DynamicCouple36

    9 years ago

    We actually went to one of their parties, with a couple from RHP. Neither us, nor the other couple played (for obvious reasons ) We counted 38 single men to just 4 couples and an appropriate number of Holden & Ford Utes parked outside. The crowd was a very "unsophisticated " one , were very noisy , most were smoking (indoors & against the lease agreement ). The single males got all aggro when they realised they would not get sex for their $80 and attempted to demand their money back . When leaving the house, there was loud revving and screeching of tyres. To say it was "feral" is putting it mildly. Do the maths re the money (in cash) made on a Friday & Sat night. The brand new house was being rented for $350 a week, yet the tenants were in essence, running an unregistered, uninsured, unlicensed "cash only " (no tax paid to ATO) business. Add to that the noise levels , increased traffic & limited parking in a narrow suburban street, and you clearly see that they were in breach of their lease agreement and city council by laws. They were also serving alcohol (one got something for ones $80 after all) The property managers found out and issued an eviction notice. The tenants were evicted. They moved to a rented house closer to the city, did the same and were, we were told, evicted again. Some friends, from RHP, went to one of their parties closer to the city, and said they were very feral, everyone was loud, smoking and huge numbers of single males. Would you want a loud, noisy party next door every Fri & Sat night ? And to have your nature strip parked on and the narrow street congested? Good on the neighbours for shutting it down. - Posted from rhpmobile

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    How long ago? I've been twice in quite recent times and had a great night, and outside issues were minimal. Nothing like you describe. Maybe they've lived and learnt. But obviously bad experiences will affect opinions in the long term, too bad for the organisers that they didn't have their shit together to start with, they've obviously lost patrons. - Posted from rhpmobile

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    Hmm can you let me know when this covert operation begins? I want to go 'underground' with you 😍😘😜💋

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    Quoting 'DynamicCouple36' We actually went to one of their parties, with a couple from RHP. Neither us, nor the other couple played (for obvious reasons ) We counted 38 single men to just 4 couples and an appropriate number of Holden & Ford Utes parked outside. The crowd was a very "unsophisticated " one , were very noisy , most were smoking (indoors & against the lease agreement ). The single males got all aggro when they realised they would not get sex for their $80 and attempted to demand their money back . When leaving the house, there was loud revving and screeching of tyres. To say it was "feral" is putting it mildly. Do the maths re the money (in cash) made on a Friday & Sat night. The brand new house was being rented for $350 a week, yet the tenants were in essence, running an unregistered, uninsured, unlicensed "cash only " (no tax paid to ATO) business. Add to that the noise levels , increased traffic & limited parking in a narrow suburban street, and you clearly see that they were in breach of their lease agreement and city council by laws. They were also serving alcohol (one got something for ones $80 after all) The property managers found out and issued an eviction notice. The tenants were evicted. They moved to a rented house closer to the city, did the same and were, we were told, evicted again. Some friends, from RHP, went to one of their parties closer to the city, and said they were very feral, everyone was loud, smoking and huge numbers of single males. Would you want a loud, noisy party next door every Fri & Sat night ? And to have your nature strip parked on and the narrow street congested? Good on the neighbours for shutting it down. - Posted from rhpmobile This is a good first hand account of what REALLY occurred.That's a lot of people to have in one, average suburban house at a time.Nobody, regardless of who they are or where they live, wishes to have that feral element in their neighbourhood.Clearly laws and rental contracts were being abused and broken here.

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  • Mischeviouslad

    Mischeviouslad

    9 years ago

    I guess Dynamic answered your question.

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    Haha 😉 yeah 😀 the nuts and bolts of this is clearly charging entry. I've always been of the opinion that charging a fee to go to a swingers party will never work, it then becomes a business. Remember the days of 'bring a plate' lol showing my age there, but there doesn't have to be a lot of outlay. Even get them to bring their own condoms, obviously have a reserve supply if they're needed, and get them to bring nibbles if they're so inclined, put a few plates out yourself. BYO drinks, just make it clear for them to only have a few and monitor that. But it's a party. If you were having a private party, muggle party, would you charge people to attend? Don't think there'd be many takers. This is where the expectation stems from to get sex when they've outlaid the money. I know they still shouldn't expect sex, regardless, but why be charged a hefty fee in the first place. Weirdos and creeps have money too, the logic is that it somehow controls the quality of people that come, I can't see how. Lot of younger guys aren't financially stable yet, but it doesn't mean they aren't respectful and great lovers, not from my experience. So IMHO the problem is with it being run like a business. They should be doing it on a smaller scale and for fun 😯 all just my opinion

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  • DynamicCouple36

    DynamicCouple36

    9 years ago

    It was shortly after they opened in Packenham last year. We recall that the Friday night was their first party in the house. We went on the Sat night, hence the large numbers. To be honest, the hosts were not appealing to us in any way . They were loud, seemed eral, not at all polished or well groomed, and they chain smoked.... unsttractuve to us. And they were clearly using the parties to pay their rent and make some tax free hard cash, at the expense of the 38 paying males who had been promised sex and lots of action. If you are going to take people's money, you at least need to do so in a legal manner, and have the necessary permits and insurance in place, especially when it comes to alcohol and sex on premises. The minute that money changes hands, a service is offered & expected and it's tantamount to prostitution we were told. They might have cleaned up their act since then , but one never knows .... We have continued to hear negative reports from other RHP couples that have been there. We avoid venues like that , since then. - Posted from rhpmobile

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    Quoting 'DynamicCouple36' They might have cleaned up their act since then , but one never knows .... - Posted from rhpmobile Well it was fine the two times I went, but obviously nights will still vary quite a bit. As play is concerned, I actually had one of my best nights there, and managed to tick off some bucket items properly that I'd been hoping for a while! But I understand the urge to write bad reviews to help protect and inform others, but like movies and restaurants, I tend to ignore them and go and see for myself. But many house parties charge/make money (even the ~$50 couples/females only parties), and have at least some alcohol and obviously sex on premises. So same issues, even if there's no single men?

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    Quoting 'I_touch_myself2'Haha 😉 yeah 😀 the nuts and bolts of this is clearly charging entry. I've always been of the opinion that charging a fee to go to a swingers party will never work, it then becomes a business. Remember the days of 'bring a plate' lol showing my age there, but there doesn't have to be a lot of outlay. Even get them to bring their own condoms, obviously have a reserve supply if they're needed, and get them to bring nibbles if they're so inclined, put a few plates out yourself. BYO drinks, just make it clear for them to only have a few and monitor that. But it's a party. If you were having a private party, muggle party, would you charge people to attend? Don't think there'd be many takers. This is where the expectation stems from to get sex when they've outlaid the money. I know they still shouldn't expect sex, regardless, but why be charged a hefty fee in the first place. Weirdos and creeps have money too, the logic is that it somehow controls the quality of people that come, I can't see how. Lot of younger guys aren't financially stable yet, but it doesn't mean they aren't respectful and great lovers, not from my experience. So IMHO the problem is with it being run like a business. They should be doing it on a smaller scale and for fun 😯 all just my opinion It isn't that simple though - even the ones that are generating profit from it are usually careful to couch it in terms of a "donation" or that it is to cover shared expenses. Obviously nibblies, lube, condoms and a venue don't come for free - but don't forget the cleaning and laundry afterwards. So given those expenses, without doing some serious accounting how do you definitively state whether it is being run as a business or not? But what if the cleaning company is the host, and instead of being off on some other job elsewhere, he cleans the cum off the carpet and the lube off the walls? Now the problem with that is that it wouldn't be cash in hand any longer, you'd have it on the books - but is that a legit expense or not? I guess the difference between a regular party where the host supplies the food n drink is that for those sorts of parties you're usually all good friends, not people you've perhaps vetted via a message on a forum. There isn't a difference between requiring money or requiring a plate of food - money is just more efficient than trading potato salad for meat. I agree with your logic that an entry fee doesn't prevent douchebags from opening their wallet/purse. I think the argument is that it prevents the riff-raff, the plebs, and the hoi polloi from sullying our elegant evenings with their lewd and disgusting presence. Quoting 'DynamicCouple36'If you are going to take people's money, you at least need to do so in a legal manner, and have the necessary permits and insurance in place, especially when it comes to alcohol and sex on premises. The minute that money changes hands, a service is offered & expected and it's tantamount to prostitution we were told. it isn't that cut and dried - the terms of admission really do matter. From your description, I think they were banking on lots of single guys turning up and paying money. But I don't know that it was legally wrong even though I'd say it was morally wrong. Not that you said it, but we frequently have forums blowing up at some guy that "you paid for admission, you weren't guaranteed sex, that's what a brothel is for" so it is funny when the opposite argument happens. In this case, I imagine they'd say "you didn't even 'pay admission', it was money to split the costs of the evening amongst all us at this private gathering" (if you and your mate agreed to split the cost of a case for a BBQ if he went to the bottle shop, would that make him need a booze licence to collect half of the cost for the case?). Relying on the "cost shared private gathering" scenario, the insurance coverage would be the home insurance which usually includes a public liability coverage. Bottom line - it isn't illegal for money to change hands when entering a private home that happens to be holding an orgy, nor does it necessarily make it a business.

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    Thats why the council closed the investigation on this particular complaint. Money can still change hands as its to cover costs not paying for a service.

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    If it gets more complicated if it's the hosts that you are playing with

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    Exactly, I agree, the money is officially covering costs so not illegal, definitely not prostitution. I still struggle to understand the enormous amount of money they must bring in. I mean how much does some lube, condoms, nibbles and drinks cost? 😀 shit I don't eat or drink when i'm having sex so i'd save them a few bucks, like to keep my stomach and bowel empty, nothing worse than farting in the heat of the moment 😂😂😂 would actually indulge in a drink or two in a party setting, that is if I could find a spare moment 😉

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  • asiacouple

    asiacouple

    9 years ago

    Well, I wouldn't want moaning screaming neighbours every weekend especially with my kids, friends and family around. I do think swinging sex parties at homes is perfectly fine, but hosts and players should be "respectful" to the neighbours too. I've been to home parties in Perth that were well behaved and was great fun... so maybe this particular one in Melbourne was dodgy. Just my two cents.

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  • RHP

    RHP User

    9 years ago

    Yeah I was just having a laugh with the 'bring a plate' haha and I get that it seems simplistic but I guess it's the numbers, the large scale parties, along with how much money they make, that turns me off. I live very cheaply now and love that. I buy most of my clothes from op shops, pick up beautiful dresses etc quite often still with tags, but not expensive that kind of thing. So I guess I think it's wrong that they charge as much as they do. Why do they have to be so greedy? They could charge 80% less and probably still make a profit (plucked that figure out of the air). And though I know it's not your personal opinion, but I 100% disagree with their logic that charging more for men will attract a better quality guy 👎i've put that to the test (not charging, shit 😱i mean money vs no money) and my results have been to the contrary, so speaking from experience about money dictating how respectful the guy is going to be, I could tell a story or two on that, but I won't lol I hadn't thought about cleaning costs. I guess these houses get pretty messed up hey? 😀

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