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What are the arguments against gay marriage?
July 08 2015
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RHP User
9 years ago
Marriage is against nature as is a lot of non Western Customs.
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Smilingwithfun
9 years ago
Given that marriage has been a religious based custom then most arguments against Gay marriage will be religious based.
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RHP User
9 years ago
It might make some people look at their choices, and wonder what would happen if they'd married their true love, rather than marrying the 'society accepted' right choice. There have been studies looking at intense homophobia, and how they' often struggling with their own homosexual needs. eg a talk on youtube called "Is some homophobia really self phobia"
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RHP User
9 years ago
Absolutely none. :-)
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RHP User
9 years ago
Mostly marriage is business. Mostly business is bullshit. Therefore, mostly marriage is bullshit. Outside of legal rights and tax stuff, same sex couples should be undermining and challenging the role/idea of marriage in society rather than treating it as something to aspire to. Especially if it's treated like the last stand for the ideals and elitism of hetero-patriarchal civilisation and all the wrongs done to uphold it. The new world needs new ideas, a reassessment for love and procreation. Particularly as we breed ourselves into extinction. So same -sex couples shouldn't marry!! Just to shit on outdated systems and say, "who wants it anyway". Is this an argument? Fight the meow-er!!!!!!
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RHP User
9 years ago
If you can marry your uncle,aunty,nephew or niece ,which you can legally do in this country,then why not your same sex lover ? XxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
But I disagree that marriage is wrong. It has worked for some couples that I know who are still really happy together after twenty odd years. I wouldnt get married again but Ive nothing against it. And Im happy that gay people can marry, a friend of mine and his partner have been together for 20 years and are so in love, I think its wonderful.
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Single_Guy4U
9 years ago
My understanding is marriage was originally entirely religion based, and to legitimise having children. (This would not be required for same sex couples) So therefore most arguments would have to be religion based. Marriage was (and still is for the most part) where the wife and children take on the mans last name. (I know there are variances now), however this allowed for genealogy and to be able to track a families ancestors. I am not convinced that keeping a last name or double barrelling it with your partners is the way to go, as after a few generations you could have more last names than you could fit on the forms, and it would be near impossible to trace your ancestors. I am not apposed to a legal union between same sex couples. I am just not yet convinced it should be called Marriage. IMO
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RHP User
9 years ago
the Family Law Courts are running at full capacity now..the only negative i see is more ending up the same - fate.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Was not about religion,it was about property..a remnant still remains where the father or whomever gives away the bride to the groom xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
And pfft ... gay people have been having children for millenniums. They've just often been doing it within externally validated 'acceptable' marriages. Pretty sure homosexuality pre-dates marriage and all religions.
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Single_Guy4U
9 years ago
Quoting 'Freya70' Was not about religion,it was about property..a remnant still remains where the father or whomever gives away the bride to the groom xxFreya You may well be correct in that it was initially about property; however, I suspect the couples were not supposed to sleep together / have sex or have children before they were "married". (Not an expert though).
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RHP User
9 years ago
I have no non-religious argument to put up against gay marriage. Actually don't have any arguments at all to put up against it. But I will pick up on the 'against nature' argument mentioned in the quote that the OP found on the web. Google 'Homosexual behaviours in animals' and have a read. Appears that homosexuality is not solely a 'human' behaviour.
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RHP User
9 years ago
... I struggle with why there would be any resistance to gay marriage ... what difference does it make ??
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RHP User
9 years ago
But I don't even know if I believe in marriage anymore
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RHP User
9 years ago
of the most ridiculous of the anti gay marriage arguments is the 'slippery slope' one....that by allowing gay marriage it's only a matter of time until acts such as bestiality are legalised and people start marrying their pets I'm not a huge fan of the marriage institution, but if gay people want to be able to marry then they should certainly have the right to do so.
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Single_Guy4U
9 years ago
Quoting 'sherrylips' But I don't even know if I believe in marriage anymore Sorry, back on subject. I agree, "marriage" has been not as popular for a long time. I know several couples who purposefully did not want to get married (even though they had been together for over 10-years, with children). They just lived together and were very happy. So if man/woman relationships have been deciding not to get married (even though they want and have had children and love each other) why same sex couples would want to make such a big fuss about it ??
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RHP User
9 years ago
Big thumbs up for your comment! Totally agree.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'xoJulesox' the Family Law Courts are running at full capacity now..the only negative i see is more ending up the same - fate. Exactly. Why should straight people be the only miserable ones? (That is a joke I heard )
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RHP User
9 years ago
opposing the idea and legalization of gay marriage... But you wanted 'logical'. There is no logic in any of the arguments. None. There is only fear, and the notion that someone else knows how to live your life better than you do, and apparently has the right to dictate how as well. Unfortunately narrow-mindedness is a human trait that is seemingly closely linked to entitlement. But it's slowly changing...the minority speaking out, and suddenly aren't the minority anymore. It's just a question of time...
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RHP User
9 years ago
And a similar wise cracker from my own mother: "You've got to get married, you can't be happy ALL your life!" - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
The slippery slope argument... Equal rights to marriage is apparently accepted by the majority. Have fun getting the majority to accept people being able to legally marry their cats/dogs/cars/vibrators/whatever. ;) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
If our government "recognises" same sex relationships for the purpose of taxes and welfare benefits and the such, then our government should also accept and recognise same sex marriages. Perhaps I wouldn't agree with the whole "same sex walking down the isle in a church" as that's disrespectful to others religions and it's my opinion that a court marriage or a private function with a celebrant should be acceptable and legalised because it's their right as a Hunan being to marry whom ever they want to regardless of their gender.
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Mr_MrsAraps
9 years ago
Straight couples can get married and plan to never have kids at all ever or have medical reasons why they can't have kids by getting pregnant. Kids have no bearing on that marriage. Likewise gay couples are allowed to adopt and once again adoption has no bearing on marriage. There is no arguement that stacks up at all. Gay couples should have exactly the same rights to have the option to choose to get married if they wish to, just like straight couples have that option to choose to marry or not to. Cheers, W - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
can be one big pain the arse!!!! 😝 Good enough?? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
I sincerely hope it doesn't lead to a spike in commercial surrogacy........I do fear that it will potentially will lead to an increase in commercial surrogacy, which i'm against
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RHP User
9 years ago
There's a gay guy with a fear of commitment, who just lost his last excuse. I think most people miss the point of same sex marriage. As far as I'm concerned it's about equal rights. If a heterosexual couple don't want to get married they don't have to. But the government/law still deems them married if they've lived together for a certain amount of time. They have the same rights as a married couple. Now a gay couple, not so much. Now imagine you're in a same sex relationship and your partner gets sick and goes to hospital and they're like "No sorry you can't come in family only" or they pass away after being together for 40 years "No sorry you aren't entitled to any of their estate or superannuation and everything goes to the family that disowned your partner 40 years ago when they came out. The family can even stop you from going to their funeral. Or you and your partner split and we all know separations can get messy. Imagine there is children involved there is obviously only one biological parent (we'll leave adoption out for the moment) There's no recourse for asset splitting, no child support and on the other side of the coin as a non biological parent of the child you have no custody/visitation rights to the child you helped raise. These aren't made up stories they happen all the time. I personally have witnessed a close friend cut off from her daughter by a vindictive ex. The ironic thing is another gay friend is against gay marriage mainly due to the fact he loves his money. I know a few straight guys who are the same though. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Why anyone wants to get married - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Was able to find a few arguments against gay marriage. They aren't strong arguments, I don't agree with them but at least there is room for empathy. 1) Parenting: Having gay parents could cause differences in development. It could also cause stess - as homophobic behavior is quite prevelant in schooling years. 2) Surrogacy: as mentioned above, gay marriage will probably cause an increase in commercial surrogacy. Not sure if this is even a bad thing - after all, no-one is being forced, it's all choice. 3) Cultural Incompatibility: some cultures are very far off any form of equality in relation to gay people. Legalisation of marriage could incite added violence, hate and fear towards gay people.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meowcolm_X' Was able to find a few arguments against gay marriage. They aren't strong arguments, I don't agree with them but at least there is room for empathy. 1) Parenting: Having gay parents could cause differences in development. It could also cause stess - as homophobic behavior is quite prevelant in schooling years. 2) Surrogacy: as mentioned above, gay marriage will probably cause an increase in commercial surrogacy. Not sure if this is even a bad thing - after all, no-one is being forced, it's all choice. 3) Cultural Incompatibility: some cultures are very far off any form of equality in relation to gay people. Legalisation of marriage could incite added violence, hate and fear towards gay people. Is not a choice in many developing countries where it can often lead to trafficking in women. And do we really want a situation in which children are treated as a commodity? Gay marriage is fine as is gay adoption if the couple is suitable, but I'm not a fan of commercial surrogacy, even for heterosexual couples.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Between Penny Wong (swoon) and Cory Bernadi (shudder) at the National Press Club 29 July about same sex marriage - should be interesting to see how she nullifies the arguments.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'HennaJay' Between Penny Wong (swoon) and Cory Bernadi (shudder) at the National Press Club 29 July about same sex marriage - should be interesting to see how she nullifies the arguments. that does sound interesting. How is it being broadcasted?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Is not a choice in many developing countries where it can often lead to trafficking in women. And do we really want a situation in which children are treated as a commodity? Gay marriage is fine as is gay adoption if the couple is suitable, but I'm not a fan of commercial surrogacy, even for heterosexual couples. Yeh it's a bit of a fishy subject. And as long as there are plenty of babies born every year who are available for adoption - then the whole idea of surrogacy becomes a bit self indulged. Any mother with an adopted child would say they love them as it is their own. Perhaps heavy regulation would be a suitable middle ground.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meowcolm_X' Was able to find a few arguments against gay marriage. They aren't strong arguments, I don't agree with them but at least there is room for empathy. 1) Parenting: Having gay parents could cause differences in development. It could also cause stess - as homophobic behavior is quite prevelant in schooling years. 2) Surrogacy: as mentioned above, gay marriage will probably cause an increase in commercial surrogacy. Not sure if this is even a bad thing - after all, no-one is being forced, it's all choice. 3) Cultural Incompatibility: some cultures are very far off any form of equality in relation to gay people. Legalisation of marriage could incite added violence, hate and fear towards gay people. 1) you could use that logic to suggest that minorities shouldn't have children - but at the end of the day you just have to accept that kids are going to pick on kids about something, be it having 2 dads; no dad; a black mum; a pale, ranga dad; parent with a disability.2) I don't have an issue with commercial surrogacy, though I can see potential issues with human trafficking if not regulated properly3) I think it would have the opposite effect - for some dumb reason, lots of people take the view that illegal = automatically 'bad', and if something is legal it is better. The only way for it to become normalised and not have the negative reaction/stigma is if it is legalised and can become an everyday thing.(apologies for any bad wording, I've been up 36hrs now..)
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RHP User
9 years ago
Or on iview / abc site later on.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I completely agree with you. Thanks HJ I will put it in my calendar so I dont forget.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Government should keep out of marriage. We are free to be with who ever we like, for what ever reason we want. Gay marriage is just a political issue and is doing nothing but holding onto old fashioned and out dated cultural demands. It is up to the individuals involved, if they say they are married and they have made up a contract that is all that matters. Why it needs to be registered I do not know, it is an invasion of personal freedom and privacy. I say drop all marriage laws altogether and governments stay out of peoples personal affairs. Marriage is the last bastion of church and state and shame on the LGBT community for its attempt to perpetuate the union of church and state.. This is the only way we can have true marriage equality, independent of anyone's religion or moralistic doctrine. I am proud to be me, and free to love who I want.
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RHP User
9 years ago
The Debate on same sex marriage... Was on today: Penny Wong v Cory Bernadi at National Press Club. On iview now. <3 Wong
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PatchworkGirl
9 years ago
She is fabulous.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Yay for political celebrities. But Wong is not pushing equality, she is for government regulated marriage. Marriage is a wholly religious concept and has absolutely no place in our government. Marriage, partnership, union, between any two or more people is a civil matter and allowing our government to recognize only religiously based unions is wrong. Government has no place dictating our love lives and our partnerships, be they hetero, bi, or gay. SAY NO to gay marriage as it is just another from of religious inequality. Sat YES to total marriage deregulation and leave it to the civil courts to judge each case on its merits, it has no place in law, unions should not be criminalized in any form and that is what government regulated (gay, heteto, ??) marriage is trying to do. If we miss the ball now that it is at the forefront, we may not get another chance. This is about equality, not religious dogma. Government has no place dictating unions of any type.
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Naughty_nature
9 years ago
Not against it at all in a civil service but not in forcing a religion to perform the ceremony or condone not that I'm religious couldn't care less just don't believe in force. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Rick_4a0t' Not against it at all in a civil service but not in forcing a religion to perform the ceremony or condone not that I'm religious couldn't care less just don't believe in force. - Posted from rhpmobile Your sentences appeared to make sense. But yet I am left confused. hahaha.
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swifttall
9 years ago
1. It is a sell out. Gay people have generally defined themselves as unique, different, ground breakers. Then they steal the word gay for their exclusive use and now they want marriage - like everyone else. Sorry, I thought you took pride in being different. So it seems you weren't really after all. Sold out your own principles then? Being together is fine, come up with your own word for it. Adopt too many things from mainstream and Pride marches and the like have no place in demonstrating difference.2. Gay people are a minority group. Minorities, despite being loud and proud, are still minorities in a democracy. Laws are generally made for the majority, not the minority. So 5,000 people turned up to support gay marriage.....the other 1,000,000 that had the option to also turn up, didn't. Not great reasons, but reasons none the less.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Who an individual choses to spend their life with is about as personal as choice gets (provided said choice is consensual). Government has no place in this sphere and should stay out. The right of the individual to choose for themselves should be upheld wherever possible.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'swifttall' 1. It is a sell out. Gay people have generally defined themselves as unique, different, ground breakers. Then they steal the word gay for their exclusive use and now they want marriage - like everyone else. Sorry, I thought you took pride in being different. Most gay people I've met (hundreds) just want to be seen as normal, not different. The were ground breakers to be able to become that, and to be allowed the same things (and have the same rights) as everyone else. Yeah, they are definitely asking too much.
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Languid
9 years ago
The question isn't whether same sex marriage should be allowed or not. Or polygamy or staying single. The question is what right has one person (thru govt or whatever) to tell someone else how to live their life when it doesn't impact on anyone else. So if you believe that marriage should only be between a man and a woman you should be entitled to live your own life according to that belief. And if you believe it should include same sex couples you should be entitled to live your own life according to that belief. And no one should tell other people how to live their lives. Now what about tri sexual marriage haha. The mind boggles.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'swifttall' 1. It is a sell out. Gay people have generally defined themselves as unique, different, ground breakers. Then they steal the word gay for their exclusive use and now they want marriage - like everyone else. Sorry, I thought you took pride in being different. So it seems you weren't really after all. Sold out your own principles then? Being together is fine, come up with your own word for it. Adopt too many things from mainstream and Pride marches and the like have no place in demonstrating difference.2. Gay people are a minority group. Minorities, despite being loud and proud, are still minorities in a democracy. Laws are generally made for the majority, not the minority. So 5,000 people turned up to support gay marriage.....the other 1,000,000 that had the option to also turn up, didn't. Not great reasons, but reasons none the less. 1: Technically speaking the Australian political system is not a democracy, a common misconception. 2: Australia is signatory to the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). 3: The Australian marriage act 1961 stipulates, "the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life." which is in direct contradiction of the UDHR. 4: In 2008 the Australian government reformed the final civil laws bringing about full union rights (de-facto) to all Australians. This was done because civil union laws where in direct contradiction to Australian anti discrimination laws. Gay couples have all the same rights as any married couple, all but the right to call them selves married. 6: We do not address polygamy. In may parts of the world this is normal, yet the gay marriage lobby has nothing to say on this count, even though it is totally applicable. Marriage;Defined,"also called matrimony or wedlock, is a socially or ritually recognized union or legal contract between spouses that establishes rights and obligations between them, between them and their children, and between them and their in-laws" The gay marriage debate is a farce, a political power play with no regard to the needs of the people. I feel sullied by the way I am used as a "victim" because I am LGBT. The vast majority of LGBT have a hard enough time being open about their sexuality, and they should not have to be open, how does gay marriage reform benefit them. They should have the right to full privacy when it comes to marriage. Only those that they wish to know should know. The gay marriage debate is just another reason I will have nothing to do with any formal LGBT politicized group. They do not represent the majority of LGBT people, its about time they return to the grass roots, where the help is needed. Pahh, this will fall on deaf ears anyways..
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Baysidecouple214
9 years ago
Quoting 'swifttall' 1. It is a sell out. Gay people have generally defined themselves as unique, different, ground breakers. Then they steal the word gay for their exclusive use and now they want marriage - like everyone else. Sorry, I thought you took pride in being different. So it seems you weren't really after all. Sold out your own principles then? Being together is fine, come up with your own word for it. Adopt too many things from mainstream and Pride marches and the like have no place in demonstrating difference.2. Gay people are a minority group. Minorities, despite being loud and proud, are still minorities in a democracy. Laws are generally made for the majority, not the minority. So 5,000 people turned up to support gay marriage.....the other 1,000,000 that had the option to also turn up, didn't. Not great reasons, but reasons none the less. They stole a word? Pretty sure you cannot steal a word. Straight people do not own words...shit no one does. It is a form of communication. Well done at starting your argument against gay marriage with an invalid statement.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Gay men stole the word fag too? That used to mean "a bundle of sticks" before it became a derogatory term.
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RHP User
9 years ago
My phone changed that. The word I meant is "faggot". Fag used to only mean cigarette.
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Missb4u
9 years ago
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BJVAN69
9 years ago
Who are we to stop 2 people, soulmates if you will, from tying the knot and spending the rest of their lives together. I honestly believe there are more pressing issues in the world to be more concerned about.
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RHP User
9 years ago
There are no sensible, logical, enduring arguments against same sex marriage. The God-botherers & do-gooders have already lost that one! People should just mind their own business & let those in a loving Union do the same! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Baysidecouple214' They stole a word? Pretty sure you cannot steal a word. Straight people do not own words...shit no one does. It is a form of communication. Well done at starting your argument against gay marriage with an invalid statement. it is used fairly exclusively now to refer to homosexuals, not to happy people - there are certain terms that, while not 'stolen', have been used (and effectively co-opted) by certain groups and now the word does not have its original meaning, it is almost exclusively used in the new way (e.g. gay and queer) or is something that you just wouldn't say now for it wouldn't be considered acceptable e.g. niggardly I don't see how that forms an argument against gay marriage though - it simply isn't something that should have any reference to gender or anything other than whether all parties to the union are consenting adults.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Marriage equality undermines the sanctity of their 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th marriage. (Sorry if someone has already said this ;) )
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RHP User
9 years ago
Found another argument, "I was born to be a father" There are some cultures that hold this idea so closely to their existence, that being gay - just isn't an option, and is seen as a rejection of heritage & cultural beliefs.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'swifttall' 1. It is a sell out. Gay people have generally defined themselves as unique, different, ground breakers. Then they steal the word gay for their exclusive use and now they want marriage - like everyone else. Sorry, I thought you took pride in being different. So it seems you weren't really after all. Sold out your own principles then? Being together is fine, come up with your own word for it. Adopt too many things from mainstream and Pride marches and the like have no place in demonstrating difference.2. Gay people are a minority group. Minorities, despite being loud and proud, are still minorities in a democracy. Laws are generally made for the majority, not the minority. So 5,000 people turned up to support gay marriage.....the other 1,000,000 that had the option to also turn up, didn't. Not great reasons, but reasons none the less. I was hoping I'd bait out someone like you. Tony, is that you?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' My phone changed that. The word I meant is "faggot". Fag used to only mean cigarette. So can I bum a fag ?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Freshpaint' Quoting 'Meander' My phone changed that. The word I meant is "faggot". Fag used to only mean cigarette. So can I bum a fag ? only a galah would suck tar
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RHP User
9 years ago
I can't wait for the day where referring to "Gay marriage" makes as much sense as saying "My friends just had a hetero wedding."
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RHP User
9 years ago
I had a gay friend the other have a bit of a whinge about the word "gay" has been stolen and now used as a term meaning "lame". Oh the irony. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Oh I get it, like when people say....."soccer is gay" ?
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RHP User
9 years ago
it's been used like that for at least 25 years
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'gavmac' I had a gay friend the other have a bit of a whinge about the word "gay" has been stolen and now used as a term meaning "lame". Oh the irony. - Posted from rhpmobile To be honest. I fucking hate it when people say "I'm gay" in a context where they are defining themselves. Your sexuality is gay. You are not gay. Gay is an adjective. You don't say "I am left handed" when given two sentences to describe yourself. IMO - it's part of the problem with homophobia. People are people, and shouldn't be viewed as gay or straight. Bit of a controversial comment which I'm sure many people would argue against.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Well I never. The only time people find that they need to tell me they are gay is to clarify the social situation. For example; I see a nice girl in the pub, I walk up and say "Hi". They respond with "I am gay!" Seems a lot of women are gay in pubs. Also when I come home early and meet the tradie doing some job the (ex) wife stayed home to make sure it got fixed good and proper, they always seem to have the need to tell me they are gay as well. Of course it is a easy pick up line. You meet someone and they say "Hi I am gay!" to a hetero they just respond with, "OK what ever dude!" but to a bi or gay guy it means, "Hi... do you want me to suck your dick?". People dont need to proclaim that they are gay unless they have a need to say A: Not a chance I am every going to fuck you.B: No I would not fuck your wife/girl behind your back.C: I think you are hot. Do you want to fuck? There are the few fruits, loopy ones, that feel they need to say they are gay for no reason other than to let you know about their sexuality. but they will also tell you about what Mr P their cat got up to this morning, and any other random thoughts. There are some interesting returns to all these, but to keep on subject just ask what their stance on gay marriage is. The girl may actually talk to you, the tradie become very uncomfortable and not return, the random will back away "Jesus, just want to fuck, marriage??? way to clingy." and the loopy fruit with maybe for a second recognize you as a human being. But TangerineDream do tell Quote: "IMO - it's part of the problem with homophobia." What problem?Homophobia is one of the underling reasons that gay marriage is such a big deal, as they seem to be the most vocal opponents. It would be nice to know what problem you are talking about. Well apart from the obvious closet door obstruction they battle with.
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Single_Guy4U
9 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Well I never. The only time people find that they need to tell me they are gay is to clarify the social situation. For example; I see a nice girl in the pub, I walk up and say "Hi". They respond with "I am gay!" Seems a lot of women are gay in pubs. Also when I come home early and meet the tradie doing some job the (ex) wife stayed home to make sure it got fixed good and proper, they always seem to have the need to tell me they are gay as well. Of course it is a easy pick up line. You meet someone and they say "Hi I am gay!" to a hetero they just respond with, "OK what ever dude!" but to a bi or gay guy it means, "Hi... do you want me to suck your dick?". People dont need to proclaim that they are gay unless they have a need to say A: Not a chance I am every going to fuck you.B: No I would not fuck your wife/girl behind your back.C: I think you are hot. Do you want to fuck? There are the few fruits, loopy ones, that feel they need to say they are gay for no reason other than to let you know about their sexuality. but they will also tell you about what Mr P their cat got up to this morning, and any other random thoughts. There are some interesting returns to all these, but to keep on subject just ask what their stance on gay marriage is. The girl may actually talk to you, the tradie become very uncomfortable and not return, the random will back away "Jesus, just want to fuck, marriage??? way to clingy." and the loopy fruit with maybe for a second recognize you as a human being. But TangerineDream do tell Quote: "IMO - it's part of the problem with homophobia." What problem?Homophobia is one of the underling reasons that gay marriage is such a big deal, as they seem to be the most vocal opponents. It would be nice to know what problem you are talking about. Well apart from the obvious closet door obstruction they battle with.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Probably the same arguments against marriage period.
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RHP User
9 years ago
BM - I see it quite a bit. I guess it's more of a frustration. Some people are inclined to belong to a group so they construct themselves around the ideology of said group. Religion, politics, sexuality. Something I dislike - I prefer individuals. On the flip side - there are a lot of people who assign your identity with your sexuality. Another thing I dislike. Back to gay marriage. Gay people are people. People have the right to get married - what you're attracted to does not change what you are. A person.
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RHP User
9 years ago
"On her radio show, Dr. Laura said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Schlesinger, written by a US man, and posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as quite informative: Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your adoring fan, James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus,Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia P.S. (It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian.)" (And yeah, I did Google all those bible verses.)
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm all for same sex marriage, what I can't stand is the political posturing and bullshit that goes with it. To use the lives of a minority as political fodder is disgusting. And seriously, who doesn't wanna see the hi jinx in "gay" divorce courts?? Haha (sorry I had to ;-)
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