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angry about saints and sinners inside footage everywhere
August 17 2017
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RHP User
7 years ago
You don't sign anything when you go to your local Coles, or walk around in the city, yet there are plenty of camera around. I assume the club is a public venue, so they would be well within their rights to have security cameras. Maybe better to avoid clubs if you are that concerned about being seen there. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
Sounds like it's a pretty raunchy place, I don't think it's appropriate for them to do that. I agree they should be offering full privacy and no, I don't believe they would have to hand over footage, appears they have little respect for the very people who keep them afloat? 👎
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RHP User
7 years ago
Your employer isnt going to worry about footage of you doing your shopping in Coles.
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RHP User
7 years ago
I personally wouldn't care if I was seen, but fully appreciate privacy requirements are different for everyone as it is for me in other ways. Privacy in a swingers venue should be a given, very different to being on camera in a supermarket. Not acceptable for them to be doing that in my opinion
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RHP User
7 years ago
What does it have to do with your employer how you spend your private time. Gossip perhaps, but otherwise, they can't fire you for it
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RHP User
7 years ago
the footage seemed grainy enough to not be recognisable, and definitely plausible deniability at least. I expect they'd blur it if it was - those shows are usually decent about that stuff
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DynamicCouple36
7 years ago
The organisers had also hired a few photographers - some with stills cameras and some taking videos, which one can purchase off their website. During the evening there were several times when the cameras were turned on us. We were told by the organisers that if we did not want to be photographed we merely had to put our hands in front of our faces. Fortunately we wore Venetian style masks for the entire evening, but always were looking over our shoulders for the pesky photographers. Yet in other swingers clubs, photography is strictly forbidden. The point of departure at Saints, is that's it's a marketing tool of theirs, and they sell the raunchy videos and profit from them. We have not been back and will never go back. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
Was on every morning News show it was broadcast on the hosts were laughing and giggling. Any other shooting and the host would take a serious tone but apparently its ok to laugh at swingers getting shot.
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AnnieWhichway
7 years ago
Mr B. From the activity l saw you engaged with on the dance floor, zero chance of you appearing on television.....
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boobsandbusted
7 years ago
Yeahhhhh,Annie ,sonyour saying making it r or x rated and they can't broardcast it and HEY ,wasn't just me ,takes 3 to tango ,lol the footage was grainy and very slightly blurred,but I can tell you unrecognised at at least 6 people who we had seen in there ,if I could do could others , Kk80 I suppose I assumed that with the activity that goes on in there ,footage wouldn't just be handed out to the media protecting their patrons ,my dumb assumption I suppose - Posted from rhpmobile
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3someparties
7 years ago
The media will get hold of footage from soewhere. Sex and violence sells and the media don't care who gets caught in the crossfire. Sorry but in this day and age your privacy concerns are pretty much moot. If the media wants to find footage they'll get it from somewhere. Just a shame for those invoolved who do like their privacy (personally wouldn't bother me).
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RHP User
7 years ago
Should have worded that better. Some employers would take a serious view on you cavorting at a swingers club. Imagine the parents of primary school kids who attend a church ran school seeing a guy in some footage in the middle of a MMMF tangle. I dont think hed be working there much longer. Nobodies business what you do in your private life, true, but others dont take the same view when it may cause their business its reputation and clients.
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RHP User
7 years ago
A guy who is a teacher at that school. Just an example.
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boobsandbusted
7 years ago
With pommy ,yes some people were shot in a public place , by police ,when is that ever funny ,that guy could have died And yes dynamic ,we have also sent cameras away from just dancing on the dance floor , I'm now wondering if the footage was realeased, to easily to allowed people all over on normal tv to see what happens inside ,thus creating interest they normally wouldn't be able to generate ,any publicity is good publicity is that old saying if it was me ,I'd fight tooth and nail to protect my clients who have Supported my event In respect to them , Might have to make a phone call and ask some questions - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
Quoting 'I_touch_myself2'Gossip perhaps, but otherwise, they can't fire you for it They can. Has happened many times.
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boobsandbusted
7 years ago
Some schools have a disrepute policy, which is unforgiving ,and instant job loss ,not sure about emergency services ,but I'm pretty sure cops Or prison guards don't want their pics splashed around on the tv, for their bosses to have to ask questions and compromise their job security ,A - Posted from rhpmobile
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Livingandloving2
7 years ago
That is incorrect depending on your employment contract. If you work in education you most certainly can lose your job as it is deemed to be putting your profession into disrepute. That's just the public system. The private system is even more problematic. I would not attend a function where my picture or footage could be taken and displayed to the public. I've worked too hard to lose my career over choices I make in my personal life. For the record... you can be dismissed from a position on the technicality of working on salary.... so effectively you are always on the job. Mrs LAL - Posted from rhpmobile
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Freaky_Fun
7 years ago
Unfortunately you'll find most information can be obtained through Freedom of Information which is how the media generally gets footage of events where an offence/incident has occurred. I despise the media at the best of times but unfortunately a necessary evil. Ratings will always overshadow any logic. And as with all CCTV footage blurry or not if you know the person, you will know the person.
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RHP User
7 years ago
School teachers maybe, but seriously, if a place of employment was likely to fire me for sexual activity in my private time? Has absolutely nothing to do with them, I'd sue their arse. I'd like to know the examples of people who have lost their jobs luck? Seems to be hearsay to me, due respect, but why would they care?
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RHP User
7 years ago
Not just school teachers, many other professions as well. I'm not trying to sound condescending but it's probably difficult to understand unless you're familiar with the codes of conduct and employment contracts that govern particular professions and professional positions which involve significant public interaction. Very few people will care if the person checking out their groceries attends bisexual orgies on the weekend, but a lot of people will care if they find out that their kid's teacher, or their doctor, or their lawyer does. Those people will then complain loudly, perhaps go to the media, and very few organisations will want that sort of negative publicity being attributed to them. No matter what our personal views are, we live in a society which in general is still pretty conservative when it comes to sex and sexual expression, and the argument that you should be able to do whatever you want in your private life without your employer caring about it just doesn't wash anymore. Also, sure you could take an employer to court for unfair dismissal but do you have any idea how much that costs and how long it takes? Do you have thousands of dollars you could spend on doing that? Maybe if you were a member of a union you might be able to get them to back you but it would depend on what the issue was. If it was because you're a guy who was filmed being fucked in the arse by a woman wearing a strap-on, I'd say most unions would leave you on your own as well.
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boobsandbusted
7 years ago
For some it's in the contract that is sighed at the start of the employment ,and therefore you wouldn't have a leg to stand on or do anything about being dismissed - Posted from rhpmobile
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3someparties
7 years ago
But I think most swingers actually care more about trying to keep their lives private than other people really care. Every single person we've told has taken it in stride and hasn't batted an eyelid. This includes family, friends and workmates. Some of my workmates even attended my last party, one with his fiance. They had a blast. And LuckDragon, if a union won't back its member for losing his job for being fucked in the ass with a strapon in his own private time, I'd be changing unions pronto. I don't see how attending Saints n Sinners constitutes bringing your workplace into disrepute in any way, shape or form. The exception may be those in religious professions and teachers at religious schools etc, but if you sign a contract forbidding such practices and then attend them, don't cry if you get caught out. You broke the stipulations of the contract. You are being dishonest and therefore you deserve to lose your job.
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Livingandloving2
7 years ago
We are not debating whether this is fair or not to impinge on a persons choice of how to live their life. Pretty sure everyone on this site is in agreement that healthy consensual legal sexual experimentation is a good thing. We are just saying that not our whole society embraces these views and therefore codes of conduct are in play. Right or wrong, it is what it is and therefore some of us have to be extremely careful in situations the OP has raised Mrs LAL - Posted from rhpmobile
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Livingandloving2
7 years ago
Very interesting and judgemental take on an issue others are politely discussing Mrs LAL - Posted from rhpmobile
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3someparties
7 years ago
If you knowingly sign a contract and then go out and breach the conditions of that contract then you can't possibly complain about it being unfair. You signed the contract, you adhere to the contract. If you breach that contract then yes you deserve to lose your job. Same as breaching any other stipulation. If this is an issue don't sign the contract and get a job somewhere else or don't attend public events where you are likely to be filmed partaking in behaviour contrary to a contract you signed in good faith.
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finediner
7 years ago
Best response I have ever read on this forum.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Do a Hanson. Suuurprise !
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Livingandloving2
7 years ago
You are speaking from a position of not knowing what you are talking about , or what code of conduct contracts involve. I suggest that if you feel the need to make your comments, you might want to look into the stipulations you come across as rather ignorant to those who are familiar with the contracts. It is in the publicity aspect of this discussion where the problem is raised. I doubt you will take the time to educate yourself though about what you are making judgements on so I will bow out now Mrs LAL - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
Suing your employers for firing over your sex life would most likely get into the paper. Good luck finding a job after that. Causing employers trouble often does not work in your favour. Of course it depends what you do. You may not get fired but you may loose people's respect and be passed over for job promotions or certain roles. I think it is naive to state otherwise.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Sure, you sign the contract because you want that role or career. That still doesn't mean I would like a video of me at a swingers club acting risqué.
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RHP User
7 years ago
The huge increase in use of tech (e.g. smartphones) and social media has also really exacerbated the issue of employers sanctioning and firing people for things they've said and done outside work hours. It's so much easier for a) people's actions and words to be discovered and spread around, b) for people to find out where others work, and c) for people to bombard the social media profiles of companies, demanding that they punish an employee for their actions. There's already been a few examples of social media campaigns resulting in people being fired (latest example one of the white supremacists from the Charlottesville protests). Although most of us here (obviously there are some exceptions) would agree that people's private sex lives shouldn't be something that can be used against us by employers, the fact is that (unfortunately IMO) Australia is on the whole still a conservative nation with a lot of conservative social norms. Just look at the ridiculous drama that's been going on for years over marriage equality. In that respect we're even more conservative than Ireland, and that's really saying something.
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RHP User
7 years ago
This> "I'm not trying to sound condescending but it's probably difficult to understand unless you're familiar with the codes of conduct and employment contracts that govern particular professions and professional positions which involve significant public interaction." You failed, condescending yes and barking up the wrong tree, you know nothing about my life, my work life. For your information, I'm very familiar with it. What because I'm not working now, you make that assumption? And this> "Very few people will care if the person checking out their groceries attends bisexual orgies on the weekend, but a lot of people will care if they find out that their kid's teacher, or their doctor, or their lawyer does" Oh dear, not one of your finer moments 👎 Most doctors don't have a boss, they are the boss 😉 some lawyers who work for large corporations, yes maybe I'll accept that one, teachers we'd already covered so I'm not sure why you repeated that but your comment was very condescending. You know what, I'm so happy I would never post a comment like that. Maybe think it through a bit more next time and exclude judgement, particularly when you don't know the person you're judging or their work history 😉
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RHP User
7 years ago
Well said re the swingers themselves care more than they think people do 😉 I was about to post a similar comment, then saw yours. Like your style, good for you being open about it. If more were, the stigma would be removed. I came into this topic to support the op, even though I'm very different, couldn't give a crap if I was seen, but my presence hasn't been appreciated so toddling off now to check out some other forums. Let them sort it out themselves, makes no difference to me 😇
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RHP User
7 years ago
the likes on some of those comments, wow, just when I think I know people, I clearly don't
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RHP User
7 years ago
Before I go, on behalf of ^^ I'd like to apologise to every person who works in a grocery store, you are just as important, more so, we need you every single day, no question you deserve to get fired too 😉 That's it from me, very revealing, not in a good way, seeya
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RHP User
7 years ago
Are you also making assumptions about me. You think I don't know that? Seriously, you people are so up yourselves
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RHP User
7 years ago
Just closing the door now seeya
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cat_n_the_hatter
7 years ago
You do not care only if you have no one above or below you. (Ms)
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RHP User
7 years ago
The lady who works in the OP shop isnt a swinger unless she has a quirky sense of humour. My friend asked what an item was and she said " Oh its a tea towel holder". It was actually a suction based fleshlight but it was in the kitchen section priced at 3.25
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MsJonesy
7 years ago
Thats hilarious! 🤣 😂
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DynamicCouple36
7 years ago
"Are you also making assumptions about me. You think I don't know that? Seriously, you people are so up yourselves" Kettle calling the pot black ? - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
7 years ago
Sorry if you felt ignored ,was not an intention ,tbh ,I actually did read your posts and just sat and nodded on my phone ,which I have no idea how to like a comment ,that is only done fleetingly on our home laptop ,you referred to some of the likes ,you didn't agree with ,which is fine it's a free world and different points of view are always welcome ,let me tell you something,about myself, unless I totally disagree with a comment. I am likely to click like ,1 for participating and just contributing which I stuffed up with you or as with a hell of a lot ,if there's just a part I agree ,I will like it ,damn I wish some times it was like a survey disagree strongly ,disagree , you have splinters up you ass ,agree or agree strongly As for me myself I couldn't care if I was to be seen ,been self employed 25 years ,but Mrs b is in a profession To do with nursing and educating whilst working her way to a goal job and place ,she would not feel comftable with Outside people knowing her private business ,this topic wasn't so much about that and more about a venue and what right did they have to realease footage with individuals in it or more to the point how could that happen and are people ok with it - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
We were going to purr event but then I saw their YouTube channel. I clearly saw the faces of people we know. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Livingandloving2
7 years ago
I'm pretty sure I'm not up myself. I spoke in defence of people who most certainly can lose their employment. I felt a poster on this thread was out of line and discussing code of conduct contracts which to me very clearly showed they did not have first hand knowledge of such document. It is offensive to me that people judge and pass comment when not knowing what they are talking about- then stating people deserved to be fired. At no time did I disrespect you as my comment was not aimed at you. You have however thrown a personal judgement and insult at me. Have a nice day Mrs LAL - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
Quoting 'I_touch_myself2' Oh dear, not one of your finer moments 👎 Most doctors don't have a boss, they are the boss 😉 some lawyers who work for large corporations, yes maybe I'll accept that one, teachers we'd already covered so I'm not sure why you repeated that but your comment was very condescending. You know what, I'm so happy I would never post a comment like that. Maybe think it through a bit more next time and exclude judgement, particularly when you don't know the person you're judging or their work history 😉 Most doctors in fact do have a boss. They work for a hospital, or for a GP surgery, or a university, etc. Specialists would be among the only ones who are often self-employed, but even then they are also subject to codes of conduct of both the medical profession itself, and the hospitals or medical centres where they are based. I really don't care if you think I'm being condescending. I know that I wasn't. I wasn't saying or implying at all that people who pack groceries are any lesser as human beings than those in professional jobs...it's the differences in the codes and rules that govern the jobs, and the differing levels of expectations from the public that I'm talking about. I know more about this than you do, and I'm not going to stay quiet about things I know more about just so you don't have one of your little tantrums because you've completely misunderstood what is being said. I've also had many, many different jobs in my life, most of them have been non-professional and of the more menial nature. I have literally stuck my fingers up a man's arse to remove the shit stuck there due to his constipation. Don't go assuming anything about me or my attitudes.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Quoting 'boobs_or_bust'this topic wasn't so much about that and more about a venue and what right did they have to realease footage with individuals in it or more to the point how could that happen and are people ok with it - Posted from rhpmobile The topic went pretty far off course, apologies b_or_b. I think given that I tend to upset certain people I'll bow out now
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RHP User
7 years ago
We have never been to a Saints and Sinners event but have been considering it. The only reason we haven't been is because of the privacy concerns. - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
7 years ago
All opinions and side topics are welcome ,you never know sometimes the best answers surprisingly come from head bumping when you least exspect them , - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
Okay, I want to make a point about teachers. The 'not bringing the profession into disrepute' is in the teacher's registration, not in education department employment contracts. To be a teacher you need to register with the appropriate state register, that is where the conduct code is mentioned. So it applied equally to public and independent schools. Independent, including religious schools can and often do include extras in, like being part of the faith for a religious based school. You will need to fired as a teacher in a public for grainy footage of you attending saints & sinners. What MAY happen is that the teachers reigistration body in your state may suspend you pending an investigation. They would have to prove that by going to this venue, you knowingly engaged in conduct that would bring your profession into disrepute. They're not going to find you guilty, unless you're wearing a school uniform and flaunting it in a really public way! This clause is aimed at paediphiles and grooming type behaviours, domestic and other types of violence, theft & fraud convictions, being drunk & inappropriate at school functions! It is genuinely NOT aimed at de-registering teachers who engage in sex at parties! All the big banks have the exact same conditions in their employment contracts (NAB, ANZ, Commonwealth etc.). Again, they don't care if you have sex. It's aimed at crimes & inappropriate behaviours whilst representing the employer. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
Sorry for the typos, long nails & texting in a hurry don't work! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
manickittykat - that is a good point, and could likely also apply to the national board that all doctors and other health professionals have to be registered with. Even if those boards find no reason to sanction, and even if you haven't actually breached any code specific to the employer, what I think a lot of employers are shit scared of these days - and something I alluded to in one of my previous comments - is the trial by public opinion. In these days of 24 hour media cycles and social media it's so easy for a whinge on someone's personal facebook, or a complaint posted on the employer's facebook page from just one member of the public to become viral. Others start to pile on, they start putting pressure on the employer, and sometimes an employer might take action just to calm the public opinion storm - even if the employee really hasn't breached any official rules. I think that's another reason why a lot of people in the scene are understandably a bit paranoid about stuff like this.
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Livingandloving2
7 years ago
Saying the code of conduct does not apply to this situation is incorrect. I myself personally took this issue to the union and was told it comes down to the interpretation of those judging the case. If you are in education yourself I would advise you to raise this same subject with them. You may be unpleasantly surprised to find a judgement would go against you. And code of conduct is most certainly Department policy. Go to your portal and search policies and procedures Mrs LAL - Posted from rhpmobile
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Livingandloving2
7 years ago
Any school executive can lodge a complaint against a teacher and gets investigated by EPAC who can then make rulings about a persons employment. Mrs LAL - Posted from rhpmobile
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NewVicCpl
7 years ago
Speaking from experience, You will find that almost all State and Federal Government employees partaking in a Swingers lifestyle, be it at a public venue or otherwise, will be putting their jobs at jeopardy. Sadly It has nothing to do with the agency or boss they work for either, it's all to do with holding a public position which requires the person to hold some form of security clearance, don't have or can't hold a clearance means you can't keep your job, it's that simple. On the video footage, I'm neutral on the topic of it being released but do think it is the venue that needs to be looked at, not the party or group that chose to use the venue. - Posted from rhpmobile
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technologic
7 years ago
The company might not be able to fire you based on that reason directly but what's to stop them from being 'unconsciously' biased towards you from then on? Think about promotions or finding fault with you for some other reason? Humans are opinionated and prejudiced whether they want to or not. It's no one's fault but if you think your job/career is at risk to that kind of thing, you should definitely take precautions to avoid that. - Posted from rhpmobile
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boobsandbusted
7 years ago
Is possibly correct about clearance problems ,eg a working with kids clearance to many professions is vital to them ,and a police charge would void that ,not sure if being somewhere like saints would be the same sort of problem ,but could get toungues wagging if someone is not your freind in the work place and runs to the boss,that may be tricky to navigate Mr b - Posted from rhpmobile
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The_Antichrist
7 years ago
But the footage I saw was dancing.... Not sex.... Any sex acts wouldn't pass ratings standards anyway.... In my view, nothing to see here so I'll just move along..... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
There are many occupations who would fire you at worst or ruin your career at best for that. Not just the public service either. If it was not an issue no one would hide their face or use an alias.
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OkeyDoke45
7 years ago
It is an interesting point, the whole ''could I get sacked for being a swinger'' thing. I'm going to chuck in a suggestion here that an employer sacking you on that basis would qualify as ''discrimination'', one of the criteria for discrimination relates to sexual preferences. Granted, that would pertain to those of the LGBTetc community, but I would argue that it could also apply to any person dismissed because the boss found out you were a swinger or whatever. Let's just transpose another scenario. A gay man of any profession attends the mardi gras in Sydney and is filmed dancing down the street or whatever, he appears on the coverage and news reports. His employer dismisses him as he was on television at a gay event and the employer is a bit of a homophobe. The dismissed employee would have a virtually-guaranteed Unfair Dismissal case, as his sexual preferences are his own business. I would argue that the same could (I'm not saying would) apply to any person be they a swinger or someone into BDSM or whatever. I would argue that this is a sexual preference and as such would be covered by discrimination laws as set out in any workplace. As to the question of union representation, Luck Dragon, a union is obliged to hear any dues-paying member grievance. They may not agree with the grievance and may counsel against the grievance, but were they not to do so, simply based on sexual behaviour they might characterize as icky or unsavoury, well again - that is classed as discrimination. The real question is though, would you go down that path? As plenty of others have pointed out, any chances of you progressing up the ladder would pretty much evaporate, others at work would shun you and you would have to endure lunchroom tittering, silence when you walk in etc. Not to mention that if you change jobs or employers, any prospective employers finding out you've taken a previous employer for discrimination/unfair dismissal is probably going to just discretely throw your application in the bin. I would probably just chuck in the towel I reckon.
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RHP User
7 years ago
Im not a lawyer but I have looked into this in the past. My understanding is that this would fall under a number of acts in NSW and it hinges on expectation of privacy. If there is a fee for entry then it is no longer a public place like Coles and there is clearly a reasonable expectation of privacy in this case. Also the freedom of information act only applies to government entities not private businesses as far as I am aware. I expect the emphasis is on the copyright holder of the video to seek an explicit waiver from every identifiable person in the video... I guess it comes down to how grainy it is! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
It should of been common sense of those two patrons to follow the rules of the themed night and NOT bring a toy gun with them, that was the stupid thing that happened. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
Still on the fence about the program, though we watch it. It's a bit staged for my tastes. When I saw the clip, I did wonder about the privacy of the patrons, but I particularly wanted to see the behaviour of the police. Which was enough to make me wonder if they were actually just part of the crowd. :-( In respect of the privacy, and I don't know if this has already been said because I haven't read all the way through... I would have also wondered about the station considering blurring. I also wonder that there may well have been offensive behaviour but that didn't bother them either apparently. The venue probably made money out of seeling the tape. It's a place I'd reconsider visiting if privacy was an issue. It all seems to have been taken as a big joke by the public though and that is disappointing. That the idea that someone got shot while having sex is entertainment rather then the setious news it is that the police were assured there were no problems. That one of the owners claim there was no gun at the time of the shooting. It's disturbing. There are way too many questions. Our police are reminding me of America now. Scares me. Peachy
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WASatisfied
7 years ago
3someparties Much like yourselves, my partner and I are also open about being swingers, but I must say that many of the responses we've had are far from favourable. We make a point of being open, because we are in a favourable position to do so, and because we believe that there is great importance in visibility. If people have friends or co-workers, or acquaintances who are swingers (or poly for that matter) then they are more likely to think twice before jumping to conclusions. That said, we've met people who thought swinging was some kind of weird sex cult, and many people who've concluded that we are dirty perverts, and wanted little to do with us after finding out. This isn't really any skin off our noses, as we prefer to associate with those who are more open minded, but there are many who are not in the same position as us. While it would be discriminatory to fire someone for being a swinger, most employers are not idiots. This is not likely to be the reason given for dismissal (the obvious exception being the previously mentioned contractual restrictions). An employer is more likely to cite performance issues or a myriad of other reasons for the dismissal, and then the onus is upon you to prove otherwise in court. Would that it were as easy to step out of the closet for others as it was for us, but unfortunately this is not the world we live in. For the time being, those of us who can be visible should do so whenever possible, but this is not something that should be expected of everybody. Congratulations on having open minded friends. We have a few, but nowhere near as many as we'd like
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WASatisfied
7 years ago
GorgeousGeeks I've not personally read the list of rules attached to this event, but the couple in question handed the gun to several security personnel for inspection when they first arrived at the club, and were given permission to take it in with them. If you look at the photos, the gun could not have looked more fake if they had tried. It is a child's plastic toy gun, and is obviously so based on the published photos. The police responded to a call earlier in the night, and contacted the club. They were reassured that the gun was fake. 2 hours later, the police stormed the club, ignoring protests from management and security there. They took less than 30 seconds from entry to the club to shooting both parties. According to reports that night, there are least 6 witnesses who have stated that the couple were unarmed, and that the male could not possibly have been brandishing said gun, as the gun was in his pants, and his pants were on the floor. The only thing threatening the police was his erection. I have no idea why the police stormed the club, but it has little to do with common sense
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RHP User
7 years ago
ITM....it is not just about a boss firing us, or our work contracts stipulating professional out of work conduct. Your views are very narrow. You stated that a Dr is his own boss... Not always. How about someone who sees patients/clients daily, in a country area?, say a massage therapist, dentist, doctor, psychologist, children's speech therapist, just as a few examples. I think they would find their clientele would drop substantially. Privacy is important and confidentiality is important to people. What about family? I would hate my children knowing our being teased about this. Seeing their mum and dad on TV, or their friends seeing their mum and dad on TV. I won't go anywhere where confidentiality is not a priority of the operators. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
7 years ago
Quoting 'WASatisfied' I've not personally read the list of rules attached to this event, but the couple in question handed the gun to several security personnel for inspection when they first arrived at the club, and were given permission to take it in with them. If you look at the photos, the gun could not have looked more fake if they had tried. It is a child's plastic toy gun, and is obviously so based on the published photos. The police responded to a call earlier in the night, and contacted the club. They were reassured that the gun was fake. 2 hours later, the police stormed the club, ignoring protests from management and security there. They took less than 30 seconds from entry to the club to shooting both parties. According to reports that night, there are least 6 witnesses who have stated that the couple were unarmed, and that the male could not possibly have been brandishing said gun, as the gun was in his pants, and his pants were on the floor. The only thing threatening the police was his erection. I have no idea why the police stormed the club, but it has little to do with common sense Now that more details have came to light about how it all went down, the Vic police are not looking good in this at all. They are also now being sued by both the nightclub owner and the couple that was shot. The man in particular is going to have serious health consequences for the rest of his life because of what appears to have been a massive clusterfuck on the part of the police (whether the clusterfuck was accidental or on purpose on their part, who knows, apparently there had been ongoing tensions between the police and the nightclub owners).
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RHP User
7 years ago
Yes I do understand it's not as simple as I put it. Re children though, my children know and are fine with it, the rest of my family, my parents would be my only consideration but short of someone telling them, I doubt they'd be looking on here. That in itself obviously doesn't stop me showing my identity/face, purely because it is me and more than that, I don't want to hide away in a closet, I'm proud of this big part of my life. I'm also currently unemployed though so yes I agree my views are narrow at this point in time. When I'm lucky enough to be working again, I'll reassess based on the place of employment 👍
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RHP User
7 years ago
Regarding the toy gun, I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, the club owners should never have allowed even a toy gun in, regardless of how fake it looked. Not only can toy guns be used to threaten, they send a message that isn't appropriate. I'm anti guns full stop. But then the police shooting them when they knew it was a fake gun, saying they didn't put the weapon down? Hello, they were a bit distracted and probably in shock?
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AnnieWhichway
7 years ago
There's the fact that both police officers who fired their guns were allowed to stay together and communicate with each other to discuss the incident. Reminds me of the other thread running about being professionals. Nothing much professional on that night....
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