M35
our warped view on gender equality
September 13 2014
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MsSuperFoxy
10 years ago
If you really like feminist artworks, check out Casey Jenkins, "Vagina Knitting". Be afraid, be very afraid! LOL Foxy
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Circe
10 years ago
Best to get it all out there while you're 25 and still know everything. You've found a couple of very small instances where women have a small advantage (though I don't know how many hr or financial services courses have 5-10% women. I'd also be asking why these companies want more women in their workplaces, they wouldn't do it if it was bad for them... ) and you have chosen to ignore the vast majority of instances where women are disadvantaged... Please google 'add a penis' to find out the reality for most graduates. Look up the rape or domestic violence statistics in your state to find out how 'equal' life is for most women. Check your advantage at the door. Notice too that the stereotypes for women are similarly disparaging- harlot or saint, there's not much room for anything inbetween.
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
"I bring this up, because my facebook feed is always flooded by the multitude of self-proclaimed feminists on Facebook" You choose what feeds appear by what you "like".... so... what the hell are you liking?!!!!
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RHP User
10 years ago
well DG at the moment I am getting lame adds from Dan Murphy about alcohol........... and I don't even drink! What is that about?
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Paradisepair
10 years ago
Have no time for any bullshit, and are very tongue in cheek as they rub the misogynists up the wrong way. I love it. And if there are a tiny percentage of occupations where management are trying to actively create gender balance than I'm cool with that, especially considering how long it's taken for women to get anywhere but the secretarial pool. And maybe, just maybe that 5 to 10% of women students work 50% harder then the male students to prove their worth and actually deserve to be hired...
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RHP User
10 years ago
Not much sympathy here either ! Such a small example to highlight a world still stuffed full of inequality towards women. Men still getting paid more to do the same job, millions of women oppressed by men who are still clutching at the superior sex. Sexually women are still sluts or whores. Domestic violence kills more women than cancer ......a few vocal ( perhaps ignorant or arrogant ) women in your feed does not make a gender. You may have been passed over for a job you were highly HIGHLY over qualified for due to your gender ?.........and are now you are mad as hell ? - welcome to the club :) ! - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
it can be very hard to understand or perhaps recognize marginalization and discrimination for what it really is. If you haven't personally experienced it's really not much more than a theory and easier to dismiss. It's fairly well understood in Australia (statistically among those who bother and anecdotally among those who care about such things) that the most privileged position is that of a straight, white, educated male, who's around 35+ years. Better pay opportunities, better promotion opportunities, more of life's doors opening for them in general, compared to non-straight, non-white, non-male, non-educated etc. Equal opportunity programs exists because of the multitude of tangible and intangible barriers that exist, that make it difficult for people from particular groups (gender, race, religion, age, sexual orientation etc) to have fair and equal access to opportunities. Unless you've faced that kind of barrier it can all seem like a massive overreaction. But it's really not, IMO. I don't always agree with the way EEO programs are designed but I do always agree with the intention behind them. I've seen gay colleagues miss out on jobs because of their sexual orientation. I've been the only woman in the boardroom with a bunch of men behaving appallingly, in a way that would make any woman feel uncomfortable and just a little bit like she wasn't really welcome and didn't really belong there. I've also seen the incredible results that can come about when a workplace openly commits to programs to address these kinds of behaviours. I'm all for it. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Paradisepair'And if there are a tiny percentage of occupations where management are trying to actively create gender balance than I'm cool with that, especially considering how long it's taken for women to get anywhere but the secretarial pool. and considering all the other things such as it wasn't that long ago that women who did work were usually forced to quit their jobs if they got pregnant, couldn't get a loan without a man co-signing with them, couldn't vote, etc etc. If you were so in tune with feminist history and what feminism represents, you would realise that similar to a situation of long term systemic racist policies and practices, you cannot just suddenly snap your fingers and expect that an entire history of deeply ingrained legal, political, social, and psychological gender inequalities will suddenly disappear, and women will now magically be able to compete with men purely on the basis of objective merit. It does not work that way because the playing fields are in no way equal. And that's assuming that the inequalities and sexist policies have completely disappeared, which of course they haven't. When women in so-called progressive nations can still have their bodies and reproductive rights so heavily politically and legally controlled by mostly older white men, I don't think that we can say that we are anywhere near achieving equality. And those male stereotypes - you'll find that those too are mostly a product of a patriarchal society which has placed strict guidelines on how men and women 'should' be and act, and derides anyone who deviates from that state.
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Missb4u
10 years ago
I have to wonder if that's a real post or are you just trying to wind everyone up?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Clearly you just ain't in the know....your logic is a bit il. What happened,did you miss out on a job?..... Yes some things have changed but the equal pay issue is still with us.... Our first female prime minister was incredibly vilified....this would never happen to a man no matter how incompetent he was... Women and children in Australia die at the hands of bitter men every week.....Leave Facebook friends...go into the real world look around you...Where do you see women working.....certainly not overly occupying positions in the high end of town....or overly occupying positions on boards, parliaments or local councils....Qxx
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MsSuperFoxy
10 years ago
Are you mainly talking just about RHP women? Women in your age bracket you've met? Women just in Australia?? or other cultures as well?? There are some countries and cultures, where women have no rights are not empowered to stand up for themselves, work their little butts off to support their family on little and no wage. They serve and are obedient to men as men as that is all they know What we earn in a month (in Australia) is two years wage to them. As well as that women in some cultures are not educated in education or anything like that. In some cultures is a women does speak up for herself she is physically and emotionally abused or sometimes hunted down if they run away. It makes me sad and yes I've seen it with my own two eyes, how some cultures are towards women. Women who live in Australia are quite lucky to live in this country - women can study, work for their bucks, get support in the community to feel empowered, have families and get money off the government etc etc. There is a whole world out there OP to be explored. Maybe venture out into some countires and see how they have little and nil regards to gender equality. Foxy
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RHP User
10 years ago
Women who live in Australia are quite lucky to live in this country - women can study, work for their bucks, get support in the community to feel empowered, have families and get money off the government etc etc. And this applies to men as well.....but some how that gets forgotten and it's just " bloody women" getting everything they want. We are still a long way away from gender equality. What strange views on equality do you see on RHP?
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RHP User
10 years ago
But it has nothing to do with gender equality. It's about the profits. We all know women are better lateral thinkers and better at multitasking. Company bosses are just starting to realise that. One person doing more tasks = less people to employ = more PROFIT. It's all about the $$MONEY$$ But that's my theory anyway :P - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
That's cute, haha women are more lateral thinkers. That's why the greatest analytical minds of our time are all men. Quoting 'tulips4u' But it has nothing to do with gender equality. It's about the profits. We all know women are better lateral thinkers and better at multitasking. Company bosses are just starting to realise that. One person doing more tasks = less people to employ = more PROFIT. It's all about the $$MONEY$$ But that's my theory anyway :P - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
It sounds like I need to check this place out next time in up there!!! :D
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RHP User
10 years ago
Wrong topic! That'll teach me to use my bloody iPhone in the topics section!!! Hahaha
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RHP User
10 years ago
that was one big stereotype....this is mr3 btw, and what a crock of shit. I work in construction and women are often depicted as either sluts if they choose to sleep with someone or frigid if they dont. You have to understand the affiirmative action stance of today is making up for years of oppression (for gender, race and a multitude of other inequalties). Sorry if giving women, anyone other than the anglo saxon white male a fair go is slightly annoying to your self worth....get with the program and stop being a dinsoaur...rant over
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RHP User
10 years ago
It depends on where you live, your access to education and the cultural perspective of where you are in the world. In the west well we get to get your balls and put them in a jar, because we can. Women are able to do a lot of things , because why , because we are safe over here, and many man have run to danger instead of away from it to give us that privileged feminist life. We did not get here on our own. I look at the world and I see how vulnerable women and children are, especially in war. And here we are in heels, and the office gear and snipping away at balls. We may just need those balls one day to defend us. we are a nano second from having it take away from us. Face a man and a gun, and all that rhetoric and hot air will go out the door. young guys are so confused about who we are, what we want. We wanted it all and we got it and is bloody exhausting at times. When you read the forums, when you see the women out here flashing our pink bits and putting in the spiked heels, ohh the power. and to the op read the book called "half the sky" and you will get a world view of the plight of women go to any brothel in Perth or Sydney and find trafficked women working there, while us middle class women walk right on by getting or morning cafe latte with skim milk and do you like my new iPhone? Life is easy in this neck of the woods, women like me who are opinionated and bossy and have a privileged life are lucky because of others that paved the way for us. Both men and women. I do not like the way that men are treated today, I do not condone pushing anyone to the dirt because of gender. power gained should be used wisely
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Paradisepair
10 years ago
Quoting 'Tradie_for_fun'That's cute, haha women are more lateral thinkers. That's why the greatest analytical minds of our time are all men. I'm seeing a pattern with these 2 mid-twenties guys where they actually have no understanding of a world where glass ceilings were the norm and even less perspective of what it was to live in a man's world.
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RHP User
10 years ago
That was a very misinformed comment if I ever saw one, makes it sound like you are not even aware of the gender inequality and what it means. You seem to be the one wearing blinkers.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I am not sure if you can say two guys in their 20's makes a pattern. Hopefully for younger women this isn't true.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Since you decided to make this thread after calling me sexist maybe its time for me to weigh in a comment... I have been on the end of being in a 'Mans World' and having my work collegues try to run me out off the mine site I was working on. I have had guys torment me telling me I didn't have the strength to do the job, even though I run rings around them, I had them make nasty rumours about me to mess with my mental state, I even had one come into my room one night, indecently assault me, then proceed to tell all the guys the next morning how I begged for it and deserved it.... I of course by then told the managing director of the company that I needed a transfer immediately off that site, to which it was granted. And this is not the only time I've encounted problems with men through the 5 years I work fifo! The comment you replied basically calling me sexist, saying that I was rude, and said I implied that there was plenty men lining up (which I did not) was completely unjustified. If you had any knowledge of the Dom/sub world, you would know that a lot of guys pose as Doms just to abuse women, and if you researched and looked up that type of lifestyle you will see lots of warnings of people tellings subs that you should ask questions to make sure someone is genuine, because in this world some people use the Dom label to hide behind. May I suggest that you research and understand the topic you are talking about. I don't usually get involved in gender topics because I like to just live my life and take the challenges on. I don't call foul, I don't complain if its unfair I just pick myself up and figure out how to get around it. Maybe you should try it sometime. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
I am well aware of what gender inequality means. Its an excuse women hide behind when they don't get what they want. I was a 3rd year sparky and I was ordered to do my own work + the work of a 2nd year female apparentice because she had a big rack was hot and flirted with the boss. All she has to say was I don't want to do it, and she got to sit there and do nothing, whilst I completed all the work. At the end of my 4th year I was not offered a fulltime position, and instead it was offered to her. Someone who could not even complete basic electrical tasks, but could flirt the fuck out of the site foreman. Tell me again how the world you live in is so unfair ? I stand in line at night clubs for 20mins as females walk straight up to the bouncer and then into the club. Please tell me more how females don't get charged club entry. Even in the swingers world. Free membership and no entry price for single females. Single males $100 membership and $80 on the night. In response to threesomecple a women who sleeps around a lot is called a slut and a guy who does it is a stud .. Pretty simple to understand. In order to be a male who can sleep with a lot of females you have to be Charming, funny, witty, physically fit, well groomed, nice shoes and a fake job. To be a female who gets a lot of sex all you have to do is " BE THERE ". There are no fat ugly jobless Studs ... but there are lots of fat ugly jobless sluts. So recapping, its unbelievably hard to be a stud .. but its easy to be a slut. Quoting 'Meeka100' That was a very misinformed comment if I ever saw one, makes it sound like you are not even aware of the gender inequality and what it means. You seem to be the one wearing blinkers.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Only skimmed your comment .... But men are sluts. Absolutely, most of you youngens would fuck a hole in the ground if it would let you! LOL! . It is a shame that someone so young is already so bitter, Good luck with your life, sounds like you will need it. ;-)
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RHP User
10 years ago
Inthekiss trumps the field for maturity, balance, understanding and compassion. Ladies, go to Europe and visit a war cemetery, thousands of acres of dead teenage boys. Check out the homeless hangouts see how many women you can find ? What happens to all that inequitably earned income, it goes to families and increasingly when the kids are older and the MacMansion is paid for the divorce courts throw him on the scrap heap with a maintenance bill. Why are men killing themselves in increasing numbers ? Men are disposable.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'DelicateDanger' Since you decided to make this thread after calling me sexist maybe its time for me to weigh in a comment... I have been on the end of being in a 'Mans World' and having my work collegues try to run me out off the mine site I was working on. I have had guys torment me telling me I didn't have the strength to do the job, even though I run rings around them, I had them make nasty rumours about me to mess with my mental state, I even had one come into my room one night, indecently assault me, then proceed to tell all the guys the next morning how I begged for it and deserved it.... I of course by then told the managing director of the company that I needed a transfer immediately off that site, to which it was granted. And this is not the only time I've encounted problems with men through the 5 years I work fifo! The comment you replied basically calling me sexist, saying that I was rude, and said I implied that there was plenty men lining up (which I did not) was completely unjustified. If you had any knowledge of the Dom/sub world, you would know that a lot of guys pose as Doms just to abuse women, and if you researched and looked up that type of lifestyle you will see lots of warnings of people tellings subs that you should ask questions to make sure someone is genuine, because in this world some people use the Dom label to hide behind. May I suggest that you research and understand the topic you are talking about. I don't usually get involved in gender topics because I like to just live my life and take the challenges on. I don't call foul, I don't complain if its unfair I just pick myself up and figure out how to get around it. Maybe you should try it sometime. - Posted from rhpmobile Very well put my dear...It's not about abuse, it's about respectful control. It's a fine art to push the boundaries and dom a person to excite and tease/pleasure without making them feel uncomfortable... It sure as hell isn't about thrown em on the ground/bed and belting em on the arse..It starts with the mind and goes from there, this comes from experience :) I've had many chats with DelicateDanger and understand what she is asking, I also understand her professional life and the difficulties she'd have met within that industry (This shall remain private).. I've had extensive experience within the FIFO industry.. Whether you're female or male FIFO goes both ways. Some you win.. some you lose. It just comes down to which side of the coin your on when it lands.. Take it easy peeps.. G x
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RHP User
10 years ago
All your comments make men seem really lame, they will do anything for a poke in the whiskers. Maybe if men changed their attitude and made things fair these things wouldn't happen. :)
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RHP User
10 years ago
Men are not disposable 50zcool!!! No way, I won't accept that. That is why we should all work together to make it fairer for everyone where ever we can! I don't think the us & them attitude is helpful.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I'm with you guy. Let's get the women back in the beds and kitchens and leave the real world to us. After all, we've done a splendid job over the past millennia.
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OPNmarriagecpl
10 years ago
I'm the last woman who would EVER jump on the EEO for Women bandwagon because, in my baseline profession (Nursing) it has never been an issue due to being female dominated. However, I find some of your comments to be misguided. It may be that you are only 26 and harbour grudges or blow things out of proportion. I am calling bullshit on your Apprenticeship issues as well....... How did she get the Full time crank ahead of you when you were a 4th year and she was only a 2nd year?? Also, did you sit her final exam for her in order for her to get a full competency standard for her electrical licence? Sounds like sour grapes that she was doing the job better than you.
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RHP User
10 years ago
You forgot the barefoot and pregnant bit:-) hugs Q...you rock a boa BTW xx
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Tradie_for_fun' That's cute, haha women are more lateral thinkers. That's why the greatest analytical minds of our time are all men. Quoting 'tulips4u' But it has nothing to do with gender equality. It's about the profits. We all know women are better lateral thinkers and better at multitasking. Company bosses are just starting to realise that. One person doing more tasks = less people to employ = more PROFIT. It's all about the $$MONEY$$ But that's my theory anyway :P - Posted from rhpmobile clearly you are not one of those men
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Tradie_for_fun' I am well aware of what gender inequality means. Its an excuse women hide behind when they don't get what they want. I was a 3rd year sparky and I was ordered to do my own work + the work of a 2nd year female apparentice because she had a big rack was hot and flirted with the boss. All she has to say was I don't want to do it, and she got to sit there and do nothing, whilst I completed all the work. At the end of my 4th year I was not offered a fulltime position, and instead it was offered to her. Someone who could not even complete basic electrical tasks, but could flirt the fuck out of the site foreman. Tell me again how the world you live in is so unfair ? I stand in line at night clubs for 20mins as females walk straight up to the bouncer and then into the club. Please tell me more how females don't get charged club entry. Even in the swingers world. Free membership and no entry price for single females. Single males $100 membership and $80 on the night. In response to threesomecple a women who sleeps around a lot is called a slut and a guy who does it is a stud .. Pretty simple to understand. In order to be a male who can sleep with a lot of females you have to be Charming, funny, witty, physically fit, well groomed, nice shoes and a fake job. To be a female who gets a lot of sex all you have to do is " BE THERE ". There are no fat ugly jobless Studs ... but there are lots of fat ugly jobless sluts. So recapping, its unbelievably hard to be a stud .. but its easy to be a slut. Quoting 'Meeka100' That was a very misinformed comment if I ever saw one, makes it sound like you are not even aware of the gender inequality and what it means. You seem to be the one wearing blinkers. You have a point, but your perspective is limited to the world you live in. Once you travel a bit and get some experience under your belt that will change. I agree, yes sluts only have to turn up, lets face it I am a slut and I am old and my lovers are around their mid thirties. Older men my age have a snowballs chance in hell of fucking young women from here unless they are richBut what your talking about is superficial stuff, and yes that girl might have used her assets but it will not get her far in the real world. You know you got to where you are with hard work. When I went to university a few of my friends fucked their professors to get an easy A, it was called an A for a Layi got mine all by myself so am proud of that. The night club thing and the swingers thing and yes we do not even have to pay for our drinks, or even meals at times. I used that to my advantage all the time when younger. I guess its part of being a girl and I loved it. I liked being taken care of and spoil t and its the power of the pussy. But in the hard yards of life, women get paid less, they do most of the manual work if you look all over the world. I saw a ton of women carry bricks etc on their heads when building an airport in Calcutta. Out in fields all day long in other parts of the world, sweat shop factory work, brothels, and even in marriage women are abused. So just get a wider pictureAny kind of inequality should not be tolerated, including the poor deal a lot of men get today. I agree men feel thrown away, all my lodgers are men and they are often broken from their marriage split. they heal here and go again, I call my place the house of the busted wings.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Let's not forget who is responsible for most of those in the first place. If you want to stop so many men dying overseas then maybe have a look at the current religious, social and political systems that are perpetuating the conflicts, and who is controlling those systems (including the military complex). Might be more productive than blaming women for it, or saying that it's women's job to stroke men's egos so that they are still willing to 'protect' us.
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RHP User
10 years ago
True LD. At least those soldiers have war memorials and marches in their honor. What about all the women and children that were bombed, shot, killed and rapped? All those women who were devasted by fathers, sons, brothers, lovers, and husbands who never returned. When do we remember those women? Does anyone truly win a war, and at what cost. 50zcool, yes men can get a rough deal but so do women. What about all the women that are bashed and abused by their husbands. It is an increasing problem in Australia.
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madotara69
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' True LD. At least those soldiers have war memorials and marches in their honor. What about all the women and children that were bombed, shot, killed and rapped? All those women who were devasted by fathers, sons, brothers, lovers, and husbands who never returned. When do we remember those women? Does anyone truly win a war, and at what cost. 50zcool, yes men can get a rough deal but so do women. What about all the women that are bashed and abused by their husbands. It is an increasing problem in Australia. By remembering what those men died for. Terrible argument, IMHO Mado Mado Tara xx
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Luckdragon23' Let's not forget who is responsible for most of those in the first place. If you want to stop so many men dying overseas then maybe have a look at the current religious, social and political systems that are perpetuating the conflicts, and who is controlling those systems (including the military complex). Might be more productive than blaming women for it, or saying that it's women's job to stroke men's egos so that they are still willing to 'protect' us. what are you talking about? No body is blaming anyone at all. Gee is foam coming out of your mouth? and wars are started by rich dudes who just happen to have a stock pile of weapons and those rich dudes have women that wear the diamonds that are paid for by sale of weapons. I do not think war is gender specific, what I do think is more men are cannon fodder than women on the front lines. But feel free to strap on a weapon and go to the front of the line. more women and children civilians are slaughtered in war. Dont know about you, but i have lived in places with war going on and had guards around all the time, and they were men and i was fucking glad to have em there. I felt safer, I do not think I would have felt that with women guarding me. But that's just my experiences. Its RHP not the Sydney domain.Might high soap box you have there
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RHP User
10 years ago
have any of you served in conflictanyone lived in a conflict zone anyone seen it first hand and not just the TV feed?
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RHP User
10 years ago
I don't understand why we are even talking about wars? I don't think it is even relevant to this question.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Thank you for your opinion. I was trying to put across that men are not disposable as 50zcool stated for example look at all the wars because in my mind women suffer massive atrocities in war zones too.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Must be just all the stuff on TV at the moment make love now war I say.....
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yankmychain56
10 years ago
Just about EVERYTHING men do, the wars we fight, the way we dress, the cars we own, just about EVERYTHING on this planet is done to make women more comfortable, impress them, court them, everything.Ladies, whenever you put on that make-up, drive your car, drink out of the 'spring' water bottle, ALL of that if derived from O I L, that mostly men pull out of the ground..... to make you happy. And when we try to open a door for them or be polite in some way, we are pigs. We try to have one space of our own (the garage), and they fill THAT full of junk. The only place we have left to call home is out in the dog house with the dog.so please, just give US a little respect.i have no problem at all with women whole do the EQUAL WORK of a man to get equal pay, but if they CANT DO THE JOB, they should get lower pay or be fired.I trained troops (male and female), in the Army. Same rank, same pay. Men were infantry, women were rear echelon. EVERYONE had to learn basic infantry skills (three days). One machine gun and one radio per squad, on top of all their gear.I would make the women hump the machine gun and radio just to SHOW them what the men go through every day.The women would complain that it was too heavy.the men would complain it was slowing them down.While SOME of the women could pull their own weight (and were grudgingly admired by the 'grunts'), most could not.While i am all for equal rank and pay in the military, women should not be allowed in a combat role, as it would degrade combat effectiveness.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'SuperFoxxxy'Women who live in Australia are quite lucky to live in this country - women can study, work for their bucks, get support in the community to feel empowered, have families and get money off the government etc etc. Foxy OOOOhhh Behave
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RHP User
10 years ago
Some valid points raised, perspective is the ultimate leveller... whatever you see you form your belief and we cant escape that, it is our unique prison, and alas I see a few shackles here that only information and an open mind can free. Men have been proven to be expendable over history, remember who sent them to war though.... men (predominantly). I hear the voice of bitterness in so many opinions of missed opportunities, but who is ultimately responsible for feeling that? We can blame someone, something, some time, some place, but will that solve the anger or just prolong it?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100'What about all the women that are bashed and abused by their husbands. It is an increasing problem in Australia. it is actually a decreasing problem according to ABS statistics crime in general is also decreasing - but we are increasingly made aware of crime that does happen.
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RHP User
10 years ago
this is why we like 20 something boys..(not).....they have all the answers......lol
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MsSuperFoxy
10 years ago
Quoting 'yankmychain56' Just about EVERYTHING men do, the wars we fight, the way we dress, the cars we own, just about EVERYTHING on this planet is done to make women more comfortable, impress them, court them, everything.Ladies, whenever you put on that make-up, drive your car, drink out of the 'spring' water bottle, ALL of that if derived from O I L, that mostly men pull out of the ground..... to make you happy. And when we try to open a door for them or be polite in some way, we are pigs. We try to have one space of our own (the garage), and they fill THAT full of junk. The only place we have left to call home is out in the dog house with the dog.so please, just give US a little respect.i have no problem at all with women whole do the EQUAL WORK of a man to get equal pay, but if they CANT DO THE JOB, they should get lower pay or be fired.I trained troops (male and female), in the Army. Same rank, same pay. Men were infantry, women were rear echelon. EVERYONE had to learn basic infantry skills (three days). One machine gun and one radio per squad, on top of all their gear.I would make the women hump the machine gun and radio just to SHOW them what the men go through every day.The women would complain that it was too heavy.the men would complain it was slowing them down.While SOME of the women could pull their own weight (and were grudgingly admired by the 'grunts'), most could not.While i am all for equal rank and pay in the military, women should not be allowed in a combat role, as it would degrade combat effectiveness. You say you want EQUAL this and EQUAL that in the Army but yet you would MAKE a woman hump the machine gun and radio? then you say if they can't do it they should get lower pay or be sacked. Sorry you can't MAKE someone do anything..Army or not. That's not being EQUAL nor a good role-model of Rank in my eyes. How about coaching someone ??? does that come into it? Please remind me - if I ever joined the Army, I do NOT wish to be under your rank. Foxy Oh and I don't need a man's O I L, make up or anything to make me happy. It's a choice I make by myself. :)
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'SuperFoxxxy' Quoting 'yankmychain56' Just about EVERYTHING men do, the wars we fight, the way we dress, the cars we own, just about EVERYTHING on this planet is done to make women more comfortable, impress them, court them, everything.Ladies, whenever you put on that make-up, drive your car, drink out of the 'spring' water bottle, ALL of that if derived from O I L, that mostly men pull out of the ground..... to make you happy. And when we try to open a door for them or be polite in some way, we are pigs. We try to have one space of our own (the garage), and they fill THAT full of junk. The only place we have left to call home is out in the dog house with the dog.so please, just give US a little respect.i have no problem at all with women whole do the EQUAL WORK of a man to get equal pay, but if they CANT DO THE JOB, they should get lower pay or be fired.I trained troops (male and female), in the Army. Same rank, same pay. Men were infantry, women were rear echelon. EVERYONE had to learn basic infantry skills (three days). One machine gun and one radio per squad, on top of all their gear.I would make the women hump the machine gun and radio just to SHOW them what the men go through every day.The women would complain that it was too heavy.the men would complain it was slowing them down.While SOME of the women could pull their own weight (and were grudgingly admired by the 'grunts'), most could not.While i am all for equal rank and pay in the military, women should not be allowed in a combat role, as it would degrade combat effectiveness. You say you want EQUAL this and EQUAL that in the Army but yet you would MAKE a woman hump the machine gun and radio? then you say if they can't do it they should get lower pay or be sacked. Sorry you can't MAKE someone do anything..Army or not. That's not being EQUAL nor a good role-model of Rank in my eyes. How about coaching someone ??? does that come into it? Please remind me - if I ever joined the Army, I do NOT wish to be under your rank. Foxy Oh and I don't need a man's O I L, make up or anything to make me happy. It's a choice I make by myself. :) talking orders is what being in the military is about. or you get a court marshal, they have their own set of laws. its not just a paper cut at risk, your not just in the typing poolyou would not last five seconds in the military if you put your hand up to do the work on the front line, your saying your up to the task.or do no join. in the combat zone it can be a problem due to rape issues as well. Men get a bit protective about women at times. I am not sure how many countries let women in the front line on ground forces. I think my chances at hand to hand combat and use of force training like my husband does, would be zilch. My husband dislocated the trainers arm just in practice. I am a woman there are some things i cant do, but hey i gave birth, that's pretty cool
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RHP User
10 years ago
I haven't looked into it but I did read recently that domestic violence was on the increase but hopefully it's just an increased awareness of the problem and it is reducing. I hope so anyway.
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yankmychain56
10 years ago
do i detect the OSTRICH syndrome? Bury your head in the sand and the problem goes away???Women want to be in front line units. Which means it ISNT a democracy there. But you SIGN UP for it.The man carrying the machine gun gets killed. primary weapon for defense of the perimeter.IF a woman is part OF THE TEAM she signed up to be with, then she BETTER know how to carry it, clean it, and fire it.AGAIN, I am all for equality, INCLUDING BUTT-STROKING someone in the head (male or female), if they don't do what they are told because the lives of the whole platoon is at stake.MILITARY LAW is brutal for a reason, because if someone doesn't do what they are told, MANY people DIE, including innocent civilians because someone didnt do what they were told.If a man (or a woman), it too afraid to check a building for hostiles, and just chunks a grenade in there and KILLS a couple of women and a half dozen kids, You can bet they are going to get their ass KICKED all the way to their court-martial proceeding, because they so richly deserve it.And YES, I could 'make' someone do whatever is necessary to ACCOMPLISH THE MISSION, including crossing a radioactively contaminated area, because it is OUR JOB.too bad they don't allow summary execution any more (but it has probably happened a time or two)Whiners and complainers, and women who want to sit back and file their nails...STAY OUT.You watch TV and see all the 'horrible atrocities' (those of you who even watch the news), have NO CLUE what the people who are DEFENDING you from these psycho-paths go through on a daily basis defending your freedom to be a feminist.You won't be a feminist for long if the nuts in the mideast get here to Aussie-land and push for Sharia law.OH WAIT!!!, they are already HERE, and have been PUSHING for sharia law. that means all you 'liberated' women become something called PROPERTY, so if you don't want to do the job of a man, stay out of our way and lets us PROTECT, your way of life, even though you might hate us for it.as far as O I L, look around....WAIT!!! you are typing this slurry on a COMPUTER????wow, lots of oil based products to make it work (including electricity to run it).so if you want to 'do it on your own', and don't need a 'mans oil'. then wear a loin cloth, build a fire and do sexting with smoke signals.I know, finger poised on the report button because i am a knuckle-dragging neanderthal sexist.
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OPNmarriagecpl
10 years ago
What's with all the tyrannical war and military bullshit?? Not what the topic at hand is regarding. Perhaps Make a new topic if you want to rant and rave about military processes because I for one could not care less and get exposed to enough propaganda (of this vein) on the national news. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Curiousplay1980' What's with all the tyrannical war and military bullshit?? Not what the topic at hand is regarding. Perhaps Make a new topic if you want to rant and rave about military processes because I for one could not care less and get exposed to enough propaganda (of this vein) on the national news. - Posted from rhpmobile He is just saying it from what he went through. I don't think it is propaganda, I have not been in the sand pit so how am I to know? Only those that go there would know, including a few of my relatives and also some of the usa guys that I have hosted in my house, fresh from war and leading a platoon at only around 25 years old. but your right I think we all got off topic and need to stick to the light and fluffy stuff, as any thing to serious and everyone goes to melt down. might be a topic for Insight we are more sex and bobbies and pink bits , so that's what people seemed to want in the forums. after all its just a light escape for most people. I do get rather carried away at times but hey that is me a bit of a social advocate better head to the domain now inthekiss all light and fluffy
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yankmychain56
10 years ago
MY LIFE is not PROPAGANDA. THE POINT IS like the topic discussed, but IN MY VEIW, NOT your little cocoon that you live in. I have been exposed to more 'warped' cultures and views than you could possibly comprehend. This is what i have been exposed to the majority of MY LIFE.MY life experience, and how men and women have to work in an environment where almost all human decency is being thrown out the window, but we have to try and keep a grip on things.....to protect YOUR way of life.If you think the entire planet revolves around your little world, you are in for a rude shock. You are right YOU COULD CARE LESS about people who fight and die to protect your views. you can look down your nose at me and the military.i don't care, just don't come running to me when you are being sold for a few camels (And I have LIVED in places where women are treated with less worth than a camel).
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RHP User
10 years ago
As a feminist man I am ashamed and dismayed how women are treated in our society. I have no problem with a bit of positive discrimination in favour of women. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
are the names of my twin pussys:-) ... The war of the sexes will never be won.. there's too much fraternising with the enemy.. Norman Mailer Now pucker up Kissy Kissy :-) xxQ
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RHP User
10 years ago
That just not possible, that’s not how we beings are made. We as women will always be in a way softer smaller than men. We are just the opposite from each other. I don’t understand why we not work on this. From both sides. Yes women have been disadvantaged through history in many ways, however we fought and we did it in most fields to be equal and recognized. And now that we have to “power” we should not use it to disadvantage males. We should try to come to a real good middle way. I be honest I don’t want to be a man.....I like that I am a female. I like to be worshiped and treated nice. Not like a princess or fragile being who can’t do anything, still I will be happy and in awe of the male for repairing lifting and protecting me. And I hope he will be happy and smiling for my soft cuddly caring nature. We carry life and give birth that’s beautiful and I know from my experience my man cried to see his child be born, and that’s a bond never to be cut. Men know what we do and I know what men do, being like the other wouldn’t make me happy. I love to be the softer gentle life giving force. However admire the strong male. We have a good life and we have forgotten how hard it was just 70 years ago for men and women. I hope we will never have to deal with this pain and suffering. Yes wars are never really solving anything; still we haven’t found a way to do it different. Just look at us and dealing with everyday life.....we kill each other for things. We haven’t evolved enough to be a gentle loving being yet, there is a very long way to go.
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yankmychain56
10 years ago
Mars and Venus.one should not try to 'rule' over the other. gaining leverage, fighting. but we do have roles in life. while a man can help create life, he doesn't pass through the shadow of death to give birth to it.I watched both of my kids being brought in to this world, holding my exes hand and crying, all bad ass tough, manly shit out the window.I know this is not the forum for 'religious stuff', but i heard a preacher once say:Woman was created not from mans head, to be over him, or from his foot to be beneath him, but from HIS SIDE to be equal to him and protected by him.enough said.
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OPNmarriagecpl
10 years ago
Once again you have missed my point. I never stated that your life was propaganda..... Your post was full of grand standing and your "views" and "treatment" of women in the military....... Propaganda to me. I'm more than happy to agree to disagree because on military and defence I will forever hold a very negative view. And that's my life, my experience. It's ignorant to think that another lives in a cocoon or has not seen or experienced life when they have not been as free to spew it all out on an open sex forum. I have lived and worked in many developing and war torn countries and seen both sides of military and government. And there always is two sides so don't kid yourself. I have seen atrocities, held blown up children until they died, helped in the only way I could ever know to and I have seen acts of heroism that a brave soldier or aide worker shrug off as "that's my job". So, in my opinion, I can very much comprehend these cultures that you call warped. What I was trying to say in my previous comment about "all the war talk and make a new topic if that's what you want to discuss" was made because we are already surrounded by war and hatred and atrocity and it has become part of our lives now. I just don't appreciate it being jammed down my throat when following an adult forum....... That's my time to escape the harsh realities of the world we live in. I like light and fluffy, light and fluffy is a nice change. - Posted from rhpmobile
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MsSuperFoxy
10 years ago
Your first post reeked of putting women down (came across as bitter) and you using your rank to put women in their place just to show them what MEN go through every day.....Then also mentioned about being put in the dog house and everything is about making WOMEN happy... well that's how I read it. Then to name call someone ..... very uncool Foxy
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'picoboi' As a feminist man I am ashamed and dismayed how women are treated in our society. I have no problem with a bit of positive discrimination in favour of women. That is not feminism.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Qefenta3' are the names of my twin pussys:-) ... The war of the sexes will never be won.. there's too much fraternising with the enemy.. Norman Mailer Now pucker up Kissy Kissy :-) xxQ here is my Lilly white arse. Well flabby old Lilly white arse lol I missed ya posts Q good to see you back
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RHP User
10 years ago
cried the queen, If I had em Id be King
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yankmychain56
10 years ago
In my position in the MILITARY, everyone that reached a certain rank got certain pay, EQUALLY across the board, no matter what your gender is.that being said, the work load was never shared and reeked of 'sex for favors' at every turn. would say a good 40% of the females that came through training where I was, approached me with the 'sex for favors' thing.NOT happening, now carry this machine gun.OUR job was to try and FIX the mess.My career and my life were worth way more than a mop-closet romp with a marginally attractive woman, and i probably would have gotten busted anyway.Was I bitter about the way some of the women acted? you bet.They found they couldn't use their gender to get over, so went the other route of trying to push gender discrimination, which left us with the only route but to be P R I C K S with them, and that made it harder for women who were just trying to make it through the course (it wasn't easy), and even harder for other women that were career-minded and wanted to excel in their job.and those of you who eternally hate the very people who protect your way of life, since you never SERVED in the military, you won't know that it treats all races and genders as fair as possible, WAY better than any system i have seen here in the civilian world, and I have worked in both.Every system has quarks, when i got out,i couldn't fathom how some of these civilian companies even functioned, because it was rife with either sexism, sex for favors, race discrimination, pay scales ALL screwed up, etc. that is why more and more, civilian companies are hiring former military officers to run the company, because the military system is THE FAIREST one around.And when your life is on the line, it is amazing how everyone can work together.
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OPNmarriagecpl
10 years ago
Perspectives that you spruik Yanky. You are obviously very bitter and twisted from (I am generalising because that seems to be highly favoured) your time in the military and your exposure and how you have dealt with these situations. And when did any poster state that they "hated the very people that protected them"? I have a negative view of military and defence force process. I am 100% entitled to have that view as that is MY LIFE MY EXPERIENCE (see we can all shout) which has actually been very well reaffirmed to me by your posts. Please read comments more carefully before taking issue with something that was never eluded to. I won't even start on your ridiculous thoughts in regards to civilian companies vs the "fairness" of the military.... That would be too easy.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'yankmychain56' I watched both of my kids being brought in to this world, holding my exes hand You are a brave man...I was warned before the births DON'T LET HER GET YOUR HAND SHE'LL BREAK IT!So she left bruises on my bicep...
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RHP User
10 years ago
seriously get over yourself. You didn't protect anyone but yourself...That's what I read in your rants. You obviously had a bit of power and used it to abuse instead of encourage those under your command.I DID SERVE IN THE MILITARY. Thank God I never came across anyone like you. Sorry for going off topic OP
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RHP User
10 years ago
.....that has been kept down for centuries and continues to be kept down? The female principle, (the kundalini shakti), seen from a true perspective, originates in the unknown beginnings of the universe. It is an energy, not a personality. The feminine (shakti) is an always activating instant of self arising bliss. It's love, it's sexual love, it's satisfaction and it's the life energy of every living thing. It has no duality.It is only the male teachings, the patriarchal teachings, that have arisen from various cultures, that have had success in denying the reality of the feminine so as to promote their own male agendas in the world.That is what we have seen happen in all mother based teachings. We have seen a desperate and dire attempt on the part of men to eradicate woman, (the symbol and the actuality of the energy of woman as being the origin of creation.) The male population is not happy with the feminine principle for the simple reason that it cannot be controlled. It cannot be ordered to sit and stay still within the confinement of a human skull.The enormity of the absolute violation here is so much bigger than jobs, cheating and even feminism.The small gains made throughout history up to now are, on the scale of things, only a drop in the ocean. If there is any kind of 'warped view' on equality then that is more to do with people's wounded personalities.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Yank has been open enough to describe his experience and thoughts. For some of you to go at him with baseball bats just shows your own arrogance and blinkered view of the world. Disagree sure go for it. Funny thing is, his life was on the line for you to have the freedom to attack him. Propaganda my arse. Grow up !
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RHP User
10 years ago
Before you all start making assumptions about this man. I have meet him offline. Its not a wise thing to make assumptions about anyone till you have met them. People that come home from conflict do suffer from terrible post traumatic stress. I suggest you just have a little compassion on this one. To the soldiers out there doing it tough. You have my thanks and gratitude. Think of what is happening right now, the chickens are already home to roost. so those that have never served their country or been in dangerous life threatening situations I applaud your courage. its all very well to rant on here but there is a real person behind each computer. Never for get that. If your smart enough you can read between the lines, think before you post. The damage you do does not rest here. A coward sits all safe at home your weapon of choice the keyboard while you sip your latte or wine.
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RHP User
10 years ago
That Have, served their country and even now to the police officers who are trying to protect us all along with all the other emergency services that may have to put themselves in the line of danger for us thank you
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OPNmarriagecpl
10 years ago
But he has also not met any of us offline and has made massive assumptions also. Why is that acceptable? Assumed Mental illness or just complete ignorance aside, your words (as wise as they are which I respect) should also be pointed at this man. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
I to work FIFO and see this sort of harassment on certain sites. It's the attitude construction and FIFO workers have now. They work hard, make the money and because of thy think their superior to everyone else. I'm 29 been working FIFO and construction for 11 years and only the past few months a 24 year old that has been doing the same as me for 4 years comes in and try's telling me what to do because he spent an extra week in a classroom to get an extra ticket. I've worked with women that can out work men and I respect that. It's not a reputation or dick measuring competition. People working FIFO make sacrifices to earn a living and should be treated with the same respect whether male or female. Delicatedanger contact me craig.barry85@gmail.com
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RHP User
10 years ago
Have met Yank,he is a gentleman...I haven't read all of his posts but there is a difference between disagreeing with somone's point of view and making assumptions about who they are as a person....I have a great deal of compassion for anyone who has experienced war xxQ
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OPNmarriagecpl
10 years ago
Now needs all the ladies to defend him?? How ironic!!!!! Pretty obvious that how this man has previously presented in person and at drink nights has not translated here in the forums........ And Not just this forum. And thank God for that, but I am the patron of lost souls so will sincerely wish this man well and hope that things improve for him in his life. Yesterday's news anyway so let's all move on to the next hot topic.
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