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Climate change activist
October 11 2019
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OkeyDoke45
5 years ago
Quoting 'rigguy' I watched a doco recently and a journalist went to a save the earth rally...it was very funny when he was interviewing people and tjey were condemning the use of fossil fuels and got cranky when he told them the takeaway containers were polystyrene. Reminds me a bit of an article I watched on 7.30 a few years back about Lee Rhiannon. Footage of a Greens conference she was speaking at, everybody milling about with all their disposable coffee cups. Where's your keepcups? I have mine, goes in the car with me everywhere, and I'm not a Greens party member. It's that kind of casual hypocrisy that I mentioned in my earlier post.
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lovers44
5 years ago
100%, i think everyone agrees that reducing emissions is a great idea but to protest without a viable solution time and time again just becomes infuriating
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MikeBPerth
5 years ago
Much talk about alternative energies but an often overlooked side issue is the consequences of loss of polar ice caps, an ecosystem that acts to moderate global warming by the reflecting of a large amount of solar energy that otherwise heats the earth. Worth looking at info on MAPS (Marine Arctic Protection Sanctuary) for some thought provoking aspects. Ultimately all energy man relies upon is harvested solar energy (other than tidal, nuclear & geothermal) but harvested over differing time frames. Problem is man is releasing that harvested energy faster than the new incoming solar energy can be dissipated away from the earth. Finding a solution to that problem is the overall challenge & that is where the polar ice caps play an important part.
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Redhotnights
5 years ago
I am all for people having a right to protest, but stopping people from getting to work or stopping emergency services from getting to life threatening situations isn't going to get the voting public nor government's on side. I also think there is more pressing issues to deal with RIGHT NOW like sick individual's tampering with children & being back in the community in a couple of years !!!!!!!!!
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Salubrious1
5 years ago
If you ask most of the hard core young environment extremists what they would like ,it would be a move straight away to 100% renewables , stop all mining , oil and gas ,especially in Australia because they think we are a very dirty polluter because that is what they read on SM . The fact they are getting their info on a relatively new device that was most likely the replacement for a perfectly good older model just to stay trendy . The fact their phone came from a mine and oil well is totally forgotten about as is power consumption . how many go back to an air-conditioned or heated dwelling, use a clothes dryer because they like soft clothes and towels etc. Not to mention that coal was used to make the steel for the devices used to block the roads . How many know that Aspirin is from coal tar ? If you ban mining in Australia the global industries will just mine somewhere else , various countries in Africa etc, if you think they will do the same enviromental protection in Africa as they do in Australia you have serious realty issues ! The resource industry in Australia spend a fortune here to comply with Australian EPA standards . First hand experience on this one not sourced from google . Germany moved away from Nuclear because of public pressure after the Fukushima catastrophe , they are now using German sourced brown coal which is not as thermally efficient as Australian coal . I don't like Nuclear fission because after almost 70 years of development they still don't have a long term plan for spent fuel rods that are highly radio active . Even the most disruptive protesters should never go to jail , maybe they should be helped in their enviromently quest by having fossil fuel power removed from their lives . Set them up with solar power/wind for their dwelling . give them an electric powered car that they can only recharge from solar/wind harvested power . Sounds good and some will think that would be perfect until you realise how long it takes to charge the car with even a large domestic solar system, let alone something you could fit on an apartment block. They wouldn't be allowed use any fossil fuel powered public transport . How many people look at information from the other side of the argument no mater which side you believe in . Most believe they are open minded but in reality they just want to look at information to confirm they are right and not challenge their beliefs . Climate change is very complex and interesting to research from both sides . Over population and plastics are more dangerous to life on earth than the CO2 that plants breath . more people less room for trees . look. at the green habitat loss anywhere around the globe . How come the protesters aren't targeting that .
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RHP User
5 years ago
Rigguy has a point. A lot of the dismal predictions from years ago never happened. But.....we have made the earth into a giant rubbish tip. That needs addressing. When I moved to Perth I was amazed at how clean the city was. Back home, litter is a bad problem. There should be stricter laws about littering. Deforestation is fixable. Stop the awful practise of intensive animal agriculture. We raze forests to accommodate crops to feed billions of animals for food when we have people in some countries starving to death. No one is perfect. All the protesting in the world will only have a dent in the egos of the greedy. It is something to think about....how can so many people opposed to something that is spoiling the planet not change the minds of only a few?
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RHP User
5 years ago
It annoys me people are so concerned pissing time and money away on protesting for the future when the right now is fucked.....farmers have no water and losing everything....DONATE....entire towns being lost to fires and losing their entire livelihood ......DONATE..... i get people are concerned for the future but help fix the current issues might be a good way to start!
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RHP User
5 years ago
Climate change is inevitable regardless of whether it is human made our plant is controlled by the sun it’s been cooling and heating the plant for millions of years. Pollution is an issue which I think is being tackled. Activists regardless of their agenda if they are disrupting others and taking police away from they duties should be locked up and or fined. The global organiser of these protests has been quoted saying the Syria crisis is due to global warming then in same breath said their protests were to combat white supremacy FTF. The protesters ha e all been brain washed, get real.
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Subaquatic69
5 years ago
@rigguy.....to say that deepwater has no effects now just shows your complete lack of compassion and understanding. To claim that I benefit from oil, so it must be ok just shows your complete ignorance. Ironically, I can assure you that benefit from renewables many more times over.
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relaxedevenings1
5 years ago
The solution protestors are asking for is also offered in the IPCC reports. It’s disingenuous to suggest they aren’t offering solutions. It’s those who have ignored the warnings and have been reticent in adopting the necessary changes (ie at a govt and corporate level) who should be criticised in having solutions available and failing to adopt them.
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playful_pair84
5 years ago
Before the protests started, one of the protest leaders announced to the media, history has shown that non-violent disruptive protests had been the most effective way to incite large scale change. In addition, the scientific community have been saying for quite a while that in order to minimise the destructive effects of climate change, immediate large scale change is needed. Being annoyed is the point. We’re glad to see it’s working.
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ROBJEN
5 years ago
“How many know that Aspirin is from coal tar?” No it is not. Aspirin is created by a chemical reaction between Salicylic Acid (Natural product) and Acetic Anhydride (an alcohol based organic acid - not petroleum based). At the end of the reaction you are left with acetic acid and acetylsalicylic acid .... or aspirin.
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BeachMaster
5 years ago
We have to be strategic about this " climate change" issue the bottom line is our economy relies heavily on our mining activities especially in the west (WA). So if we do the reforms whatever there might be ; like a mixture of renewables and nuclear that would be good but if we do it too soon it could harm our economy . We should use good PR to satisfy the "climate change " alarmist and at the same time figure a 50 year plan to realistically tackle the different facets of this hyper complex issue and still competitive in the global market . Just my scheming brain at work .
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RHP User
5 years ago
If you’re one of those people saying “Why don’t these protesters do something more practical!??, take a moment to reflect on the fact that millions of people have been taking small positive actions in their own lives for a long time now, but that’s simply not enough to challenge corporate greed and break the stranglehold that big business has over our political system. If you think that protestors who block roads and disrupt the city aren’t helping the campaign for climate justice, I’d love to hear what alternative course of action you suggest. Because I can guarantee you that someone somewhere has already tried it. Taking shorter showers, solar at home, growing your own veggies, buying electric cars, and making a composting toilet, might be good things to do, but such actions are nowhere near enough on their own. NONE OF THAT IS HAVING ANY SIGNIFICANT EFFECT WHATSOEVER ON SHIFTING GOVERNMENT POLICY. We need to move away from a consumption-obsessed capitalist economic system that incentivises companies to degrade the environment and exploit vulnerable people. If you genuinely care about leaving a stable, habitable planet for future generations, the best forms of ‘individual action’ we can take are to organise collectively to apply civil disobedience. I wish all your opinions could be on your profiles so I could decide who to meet based on this topic ;)
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countrytouch82
5 years ago
The "follow the money" argument is funny as fuck. The average scientist gets a lot less money than they could do working elsewhere. Often they're up against the global establishment which wants to keep the status quo. If you're talking about the total sum of money spent on climate change research and technologies and adaption, then yes it has to be increasing. Try running an insurance company or defence force and not taking the effects of our climate change into account, or spending money to deal with it or mitigate the effects. Saying that funding is directed to those providing results that support man induced climate change, is not evidence for whether they are right or wrong. It's like saying that because funding is directed only to research that conforms with the idea that the earth is a globe, means that they must be just money hungry and lying and that the earth is actually flat. No funding is directed to those supporting The Flat Earth principle, so there must be a giant conspiracy in place. The problem is when you just end up with people accusing the scientists of lies and deception, then no amount or any type of evidence will suffice. You can just say it is all fake. But what about this data? No, fake fake fake lies lies lies la la la la la (blocks ears and eyes). Did we go to the moon? Did The Holocaust happen? Are we living in a computer simulation? Is the earth only 5000 years old? Yes it is philosophical ok to question literally everything, especially that we are told, but in the practical world it doesn't really result in a positive conversation. As I've said before, it is climate scientists that have done the research and told us about the repeating processes of ice ages and warming in the last few million years. When the same scientists say that we have disrupted/increased natural change by man induced climate change, apparently that is all lies. So why do you accept that there have been ice ages? You haven't witnessed any? Why accept some of the information from the same scientists but not others?
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RHP User
5 years ago
Climate change is 2 words put together to create fear. Climate change happens every day....dead set...they are dillusional. Blaming mans involvement on the earth and industrilisation for creating so called green house gases.....the science they have proves nothing....real science tells us that over millions of years the earth has cooled and warmed through many periods. The real truth is that the earth has raised 1 degree over the last 100 years...so their bull about man creating global warming and climate change is a load of shit.
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sweetpussy4u
5 years ago
Some very passionate responses but by and by all very good points.
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RHP User
5 years ago
I think you’ll find many corporations support climate change initiatives but are holding back because governments keep flip flopping on policy, give them some certainty and they will invest/make changes appropriately. The technology is available to make biodiesel or diesel (for mining and agriculture) from, plastic waste or used tyres etc etc but with so much uncertainty coming from both parties unable to get their houses in order no one is going to invest.
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lovers44
5 years ago
I think most people agree we should reduce emissions but to say close down coal fire power stations without a viable option is ridiculous and ill informed. If you'd like an example of where solar technologie is at, come to my place where I have 8kw of panels on the roof an 8kw Teslar2 power wall battery and I still can't get off the grid due to cloudy days generating bugger all power, hot days where the panels become inefficient and unable to produce enough power to power the air conditioning. In winter, forget about it! My $25k system has only powers on average 40% of my consumption even in the middle of summer due to the above mentioned, so considering the snowy hydro system can't power 1 aluminum smelter and wind turbines don't produce power when the wind doesn't blows, what is the solution? Looking forward to finally hearing a viable renewable base load option???? Please enlighten me!!
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RHP User
5 years ago
My two cents... Regardless of whether climate change is real or not, it makes sense to increase clean energy alternatives. On the science I wish people would stop stating that the science is settled, anyone who understands the scientific method would know that science is never settled as we don’t know everything. The most that should be said is that there is a substantial body of scientific work that strongly points to irreversible climate change, to say the science is settled is either arrogant or disingenuous.
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ROBJEN
5 years ago
You are exactly right. For this country, we really do not have an alternative just yet. We can’t rely on Hydro, we simply don’t have adequate water sources. Next to the snowy mountains, the next biggest system is the Murray-Darling, but that’s too unreliable because most water is taken under irrigation allocations or harvested before reaching the river system in northern Queensland. Solar and wind aren’t yet technologically viable yet ..... they may be one day, but at present they are not when it comes to operating the grid system. As for bio-diesels, while they may come from agriculture and not crude oil, they still produce the same pollution. Created Green doesn’t mean Burns Green. Even if we did go on to produce large scale hydro, solar or wind power, then there will still be outrage over animal habitat destruction anyway ..... Franklin River anyone? And nobody seems to want nuclear in their backyard. The only remotely possible alternative that I can even imagine is every house having a 10kw solar system, all feeding excess into the grid and the excess runs those without. However there are fundamental problems with that idea - weather, inefficiency on very hot or cold days, night time .... all mean power generation is still required. Not to mention that the design of our grid system does not allow for an infinite number of solar connections. Only a certain number of houses can be connected to feed in at any one location. We certainly need to do a lot of research and development, but the answers are still a long way off being economically viable ...... in my humble opinion 😊
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RHP User
5 years ago
Human overpopulation is the main driver, we're past the point of being able to rectify all the damage and animal extinctions from too many of us .. .
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RHP User
5 years ago
Climate change should be the number one important issue , money is useless if you can’t live . Stop selling coal to China , who cares if the foreign companies cannot get rich from the Australian peoples resources because they take your resources for free , where is there tax , percentage to Australia? Norway takes 60% off its mining companies and they did not leave as a fat cat will stay as long as he is fed something. As for protesters these kids inherit what we destroyed and raped Mother Earth , why shouldn’t they be pissed off with people who can’t see beyond there own mortality
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RHP User
5 years ago
peggy has a good point
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Swingingnudist
5 years ago
When i stated follow the money it's not the money paid to the scientists as that's us the taxpayers money. It's the billionaires funding the protestors and groups. Rothschild owns the yacht Greta turdberg sailed on.. George Soros is funding most of the activist groups..evil evil man. When our energy costs soared where did our manufacturing go? Asia and othet developing countries. Who has their fingers in nearly evrry country in the worlds central banks? Rothschilds. Developing nations do not have any emmisions restrictions so the pollution is getting worse from this spreading the wealth policy of the UN. Trump is trying to get China to be classified as a developed nation and China say no fucking way. Why because the cost to manufacture would rise massively and companies will then just shift to another country. People say go electric cars...4.5 times the amount of copper needed than a petrol car...where does the copper come from? Out of a mine. Still need coal to make the steel in the car and oil to make the plastics. I will money on the supporters of climate change on here would even believe the line peddled by the greens, ABC that were caused by climate change. Funny how Australia gets bushfires this time every year annnddf followed by rain. Then you factor in that nearly every fire was deliberately started. People have been protesting about Adani but have ognored the fact 5 other mines have been approved around Adani. Adani have stated that if the can't get coal from Australia they will source from countries like Indonesia whose coal is 30% dirtier than ours, so actually will increase emmisions. It's like being brainwashed like religion. Lastly the scientists that question the climate change figures are losing their jobs. Professor Ridd fron James Cook uni in Townsville is just one example
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explorerz
5 years ago
Imagine using a swingers website to deny climate change, undermine a legitimate protest and spread lies about the efficiency of solar and wind power. When the Suffragettes were protesting for their rights for women to vote and own property they were spat on and abused by men who found them to be a similar kind of annoyance and inconvenience. You're essentially the modern version of one of those assholes. Can a moderator please delete this thread please. It's really not appropriate or in the spirit of what this website is about.
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RHP User
5 years ago
Protesting is a natural and necessary part of human development and societal change for the better. Protesting is meant to be disruptive and to call attention to big issues. The problem lie in when protesting becomes riotous due to lack of acknowledgement by authorities on the issues at hand, or when we start allowing authorities legal jurisdiction to arrest and silence protesters by fooling the public into believing the dissidence is too chaotic for society. The Aus govt is slowly dismantling our rights to group up over issues or stage protests that are large and disruptive enough to actually be a catalyst for proper change, and not some sideshow on the street people point and look at curiously. Any one that believes these climate protests are unnecessary and protesters should be locked up need they're heads checked. Protesters also don't need to offer solutions, the need to be the kick up the arse for policy makers whose explicit job is to do just that.
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RHP User
5 years ago
This is the truth - however confronting it will be for some people: https://youtu.be/bgyumGSF9-4
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relaxedevenings1
5 years ago
Plot idea: 97% of the world's scientists contrive an environmental crisis, but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires & oil companies
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TheQuiet1
5 years ago
"turdberg" again?Your insistence on child abuse voids your arguments and lowers the tone of the conversation.
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RHP User
5 years ago
Nothing wrong in protest but why dont they simply sit in front of parliament at Canberra???
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TheQuiet1
5 years ago
About a decade ago a couple of years after i moved to this country i was surprised by the size and audacity of the propaganda advertising campaign paid for by the mining companies against a sitting prime minister and an elected governments policies. I was even more surprised when it appeared to work.That action caused in my outsiders opinion the policy indecision created by the conflict between public opinion on climate change and the hugely disproportionate financial influence derived from your finite resources that vested interests have on your political system. This has put you a decade behind where you should be on renewable energy.
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Lover_Boytoy
5 years ago
I come here to agree with Robjen and Piggy- and here to comment exactly the issue of over population. Human over population is the main drive for climate change- Human over population increases consumption- Human over population demands for economic growth Climate protesters want the government to 'do something'- let's say the government slow economical growth - country goes to recession, increase unemployment- citizens will then protest about this- let's say government change energy solution - Wind power kills bird, require open space land mass, requires investments - need money - needs economy- let's say government cold turkey ban use of plastics, restrict energy use - people will protest as this is against human rights, dictatorship bla bla China had a 1 child policy to reduce its population growth, and was criticized by the whole world for infringement of human rights. Meanwhile they are happy for Brazil, India, and African countries to continue pumping babies into poverty (and increase waste, consumption and so on). Demanding the government to implement a policy is easy, but to actually doing it without negatively impacting millions of lives is difficult. And I imagine those protesters will not be taking responsibility if it happens (for example, if many people lose their jobs, the protesters will likely be pissed if the government increases tax for unemployment funding). So to the climate change protesters, I hear you and I am with you; but stop with the non sensible way of protesting- there are people needing to go to work to feed the families, returning home from a 10-12 hours night shift, going to hospital to perform a surgery on critical ill patients, go to school to teach a child. It is easy to stand there and criticize what is wrong, but it is not easy to actually fix it. So don't be so high almighty. Also, halting traffic just increases traffic hour, increase CO emission- and they're just end up being counter productive.
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RHP User
5 years ago
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RHP User
5 years ago
Hey text me baby I wanna talk
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RHP User
5 years ago
Quoting 'TheQuiet1' About a decade ago a couple of years after i moved to this country i was surprised by the size and audacity of the propaganda advertising campaign paid for by the mining companies against a sitting prime minister and an elected governments policies. I was even more surprised when it appeared to work.That action caused in my outsiders opinion the policy indecision created by the conflict between public opinion on climate change and the hugely disproportionate financial influence derived from your finite resources that vested interests have on your political system. This has put you a decade behind where you should be on renewable energy. the mining industry has such a stronghold over this country, it will never move forward on renewables. Or on much else for that matter. A few weeks ago Harvard University released an index which ranked countries on their economic complexity - which is an indication of the potential for economic growth and resilience. Australia is ranked 93rd in the world - we have a negative complexity ranking, largely because we are so reliant on mining and other resource industries. Because we have been able to make a lot of money in a very lazy, non-skilled way, we have performed very poorly in innovation and have a very limited ability to develop new products that require high levels of technology and expertise to manufacture. The article is titled 'Australia is rich, dumb and getting dumber', in the Financial Review, if anyone is interested in reading it.
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lovers44
5 years ago
Climate always changes and has since the beginning of time. The million dollar question is how much change is caused by man. Both the believers in catastrophic man made climate change and the sceptics don't know, the science is too complex. In my opinion if the weather forecasters can't accurately tell us what the weather will do during the week how the hell do they know what will happen in a year, 2, 5 or 10????
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RHP User
5 years ago
- Tell people they need to adopt/foster their desired children from now on and stop overpopulating, the major cause of ecological problems and dead animals - and watch their outrage. - Remember when Coles / Woolies stopped offering free plastic bags last year? The confected outrage, oh my goodness, the world will end - the idea that you buy a few organic-hemp/cotton bags for shopping and keep those at all times with you for shopping - when a few of us have been doing this for over 15 years - was too much for these people. - They didn't want to pay for Eco-bags, meanwhile how many of these people blow a small fortune on alcohol/smokes/coffee every week? The money is apparently always on-tap for Pleasure, not so much for Responsible Consumption. - People whined about the idea of buying some more plastic bags for garbage, when they don't cost much and/or you can even get organic/recycled/biodegradable ones now. - People in this country mostly don't care about the environment - they say the right things for optics / to look virtuous - but ultimately - as Doug Stanhope says about the USA - and it applies to Australia too - we're a fat, lazy country of convenience. - Those that really care make the extra effort and did so years ago - they don't expect everyone else to make the effort they're not prepared to make themselves. - I stayed away from those Climate Protests - I didn't want to get in a fight with a bunch of hypocrites.
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SSExplorer
5 years ago
Yep quiet1, it’s bleedingly obvious but no one cares to get it. We’ve gone from “the clever country” to “dumb and dumber” and it’s not “whinging Poms” but “whining Aussies” But hey why do anything when we can just go dig a hole and rely on immigration for all our intellectual needs! So damn smart that we focus decades on lost development on sending all our natural resources overseas to be refined and sold back to us as developed products and we don’t even own the companies that mine our lands. In a decade or so we will be left scratching our uneducated heads wondering why all our Chinese and Indian immigrants start leaving and going back to live in their more advanced mother countries.
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RHP User
5 years ago
Just because it's an Adult-Bonk site doesn't mean we can't have robust intelligent debates around serious world-wide complex issues, this is great, and for those that don't like the debate - might I suggest you're not being forced to observe or participate and feel free to leave or swing by another adult-forum topic, rather than shutting it down due to your discomfort?
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RHP User
5 years ago
If threads were deleted because people dared to have their own opinions.
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RHP User
5 years ago
jc1972
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73bandit
5 years ago
When did the climate not actually change throughout history ? Its inevitable, just like everything on the planet which is born then live then die. If you believe this crap that's sold to you well your a Muppet. Extinction activists are in it just for their own self gratification as are the vegan protesters to say to their grandkids " THEY DID SOMETHING " As for the poor old tree hugger of yester year then yes they have made a different and I respect that . Some people rag them about being bludgers etc... but if it wasn't for then having a red hot go then who would ? I'm pretty sure most people including myself haven't gone out there banging ya drum to fight for a just cause ! These people do . Everyone needs to ACTUALLY WAKE UP and look at the lies the propaganda the agendas etc.. about the real world issues that are so readily gobbled up by the masses due to BS news and spin Drs and what not you all just roll along going " MEH that's life . Ask yourselves who pisses and moans about stuff on the news or paper of the injustices or unfairness of it all but is more than willing to just accepts it ? ALL OF YOU DO . My opinion only .
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Salubrious1
5 years ago
Quoting 'ROBJEN' “How many know that Aspirin is from coal tar?” No it is not. Aspirin is created by a chemical reaction between Salicylic Acid (Natural product) and Acetic Anhydride (an alcohol based organic acid - not petroleum based). At the end of the reaction you are left with acetic acid and acetylsalicylic acid .... or aspirin. RobJen Google Bayer Hoffman aspirin coal tar . It suprised me when I saw it on a documentary . A big issue for the Pro CO2 causing climate change side is the over blown reporting and blaming every thing on CO2, you can only cry wolf so many times before people start to switch off and stop listening to anything to do with the environment and that is what is happing now which is sad . The fires in the Amazon are a perfect example . Even Nasa publicly stated it was a normally yearly burn off for farming and well below the peak areas burned in previous years but that was never mentioned by the media .How many off the predictions in the Al Gore's movie back in the naughties have actually happened ?
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lovers44
5 years ago
PeggyPursuer You bring up a great point, the ban on biodegradable plastic bags that i recycle as garbage bags is a myth. One would need to use a 'green' bag 7000 times to offset it's carbon footprint. The ban is all about supermarket profiteering not the environment - woolworths makes an additional $70 million per year now so well done! We need to start doing what's beneficial for the environment not what's seen to be good. And don't get me started on electric cars, have you seen what a lithium mine looks like, you know, where the product comes from to produce the battery and where the coal generated electricity comes from to charge them...... 🙄
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JohnAnn2227
5 years ago
Hi, Go onto youtube and watch videos on Dr Willie Soon, Grand Solar Minimum and Lord Monkton. Puts the other side to the story.
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RHP User
5 years ago
Personal experience We went to Europe for holiday some time ago. Germans are powering up major cities using solar energy, wind, water etc. How sunny do you think Germany gets? Now compare that to Australia. We have vast amounts of energy we can harvest from sun itself, from the sea, you name it. It just doesn’t make sense not to invest in this. Yes, initial cost to build infrastructure will be high, but then you will get energy that’s just free...It’s out there. I won’t argue against it for climate change. But renewable energy is real and that’s where the future is. Good or bad, how long do you think oil resources will last? And as it’s been said before; if we switch to renewable energy or at least slowly start introducing it, and climate change is not manmade, then we just get a clean environment. But if man made climate change is real, and we do nothing, we have nowhere else to go. This is the only planet we got. My opinion is that humanity will annihilate itself with nuclear war long before climate change reaches to critical level anyway. We will end up with Mad Max style barren and hostile world.
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Subaquatic69
5 years ago
@rigguy said....” Who has their fingers in nearly evrry country in the worlds central banks? Rothschilds.” Really? Wanna start comparing investments from big oil companies?!! Fuck me, you just fell on ya sword mate.....argument over.
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SilverK
5 years ago
68% of Australians support rapid transition to renewable energy. Only 19% oppose it. 50% of Australians want no new coal mines. 79% of Australians think climate change is partly or completely caused by human activity. Only 11% say it’s not man made. These polls were taken in April 2019. The five hottest years on record have been the past five, natural disasters have increased in intensity and frequency, we're in the midst of an extinction crisis and the average global temperatures suggest that we've almost reached the agreed Paris target for warming: no more than 1.5 degrees I am not a scientist, but I have worked with scientists and I have looked at historical data on bushfires and the trend the changes predict. It’s scary. Climate is the major influencer of bush fire frequency and severity. Australians need to wake the up and force government and big business to act fast. That’s why people are protesting. Sadly a small minority of Australians loudly perpetuate ignorant myths or lies about climate change being a hoax. Yes, there are chalkenges with renewable energy, such as materials, funding and pricing. But we’re clever enough to solve them, when funding is available.But we have a limited time to act before the effects of climate change become catastrophic. The governer of the Bank of England says “Firms ignoring climate crisis will go bankrupt.” Yet top asset managers continue to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in fossil fuels. If your managed funds invest in fossil fuels, how long before they fail too?
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RHP User
5 years ago
People might also want to inform themselves by looking up Prof Peter Ridd and what happened to him when he tried to assess truthfully on Coral bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef, this was also a beatup.
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SassyCouple25
5 years ago
Thing to do with polution and rate of climate change is related to over population of the world. Nothing will change no matter who protests when the real problem is world wide human over population. More people more problems, simple.
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CandJay
5 years ago
The sciencific evidence is unequivocal. For anyone wondering about what the science is, NASA and others have good public-facing websites to communicate it (https://climate.nasa.gov/). Personally I like the passion of the protesters. Enough critical mass needs to form in the electorate to shift the political policy away from the coal and oil lobbyists. Hopefully, continued protests are a catalyst. It's a shame if some actions are disruptive, but this will happen. It is, and should be, the issue of our time.
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CandJay
5 years ago
JohnAnn, the arguments by Monkton and others make are irresponsible and not supported by data. Take a look for yourself and correlate these two sets of Australian Bureau of Metrology data. Sun spots: https://www.sws.bom.gov.au/Educational/2/3/1 Global temperature anomaly: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/#tabs=Tracker&tracker=timeseries Solar minima reduce the global temperature marginally for a year or two every 11 or so years but it hardly makes a dent in the heating trend.
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Swingingnudist
5 years ago
Subaquatic no sword here to fall on. I never said anything about oil companies...but you don't to be a rocket surgeon to know that they have had their fingers in every country. My point was which you obviously aren't smart enough to comprehend, is always follow the money..whether it Rothschild or Shell oils money. No matter whats happening around the world, follow the money. Another example...a cointry like Vanuatu build a fancy new port..follow the money and it's back to China. Why does China fund a port in Vanuatu...tentacles around the world...always follow the money
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ROBJEN
5 years ago
I googled your suggestion and the main reference I found to coal tar was on a website called Skeptoid .... not exactly worthy of being called evidence. I kept digging and found a few news articles who alledge Bayer Corp lied about their development of Aspirin stating they used ‘Acetanilide’ which is from coal tar instead of their claim of using Acetic Anhydride. To be honest, I felt like I was reading articles in the National Enquirer. However let’s just st assume that this theory is correct. Many drugs require development and refinement and come from sources that would fill you with dread. However once the final compound composition is determined, that’s when the real chemistry begins as you develop methods that are safer, cheaper and more efficient in developing the same compound. Even if that was how Aspirin was initially developed, it is not that way today. There are simply too many steps in synthesising acetanilide from coal tar then deriving acetic anhydride. Personally, I find the claims that they developed aspirin trying to find a use for coal tar a bit out there .... but each to their own. If it was correct, why wouldn’t Bayer acknowledge it, there is nothing wrong with it. As for the method I stated earlier, I know it is correct, I have done it as would many others here in High School Chemistry.
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SassyCouple25
5 years ago
just as is happening here, so many comment and argue but no-one hears the truth. People don't want to know how many cows (humans) can live in the paddock (on the planet and not poison it with human activity).
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Swingingnudist
5 years ago
Tris M Do you get your stats from the same people who did surveys and said Killary Clinton, Bill Shorten were going to win?
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slowburner30
5 years ago
The science has been settled for some time. As was the science behind smoking all those years ago. But still - apparently there was no proof ( except for some reason life insurance premiums were higher if you smoked .. hint hint ). Having working beside these organisations who have failing business models, they are trying to wring out as much revenue as they can using the old FUD ( fear, uncertainty and doubt ) tactics. Sales strategy 101. They know how to push the hot buttons - and fund misinformation. Eventually their model collapses - Big Tobacco's move into vaping an example - but the consequences of 70 years of petro-chemical production is an island of plastic rubbish in the Pacific as BIG as France !! This is a fact. The average train travel time between Paris and Marseille is 3h36 minutes. This is a fact. Us older genes can kick this can down the road .. but totally understand the frustration of the grandchildren. Especially when the messengers are personally attacked for being dupes / brain washed etc. I went thru' the Vietnam experience and the same old / same old happened then. Even being threatened by politicians with cars. Apparently brainwashed / deep conspiracy ( communists then ) .. sign of generational failure etc etc. Heard it all before. But we live in an era of double-down / post-truth so apparently anyone can be a scientist. Just need a login. I raise the 'hole in the ozone layer' issue. Remember when a) it was reported by scientists ( the same ones .. CSIRO etc .. no conspiracy there ). and b) this led to the adoption of the Montreal Protocol in 1987, which banned the production of CFCs, halons and other ozone-depleting chemicals. which led to c) a reduction in the hole. So why no freakout about deep conspiracies / brainwashed youth then ?? I guess Big Chemicals didn't really have much clout / or could afford to change strategy. Big Coal however is different. Clearly. It's time to stop this anti-science twaddle and 'do our bit'. That was the policy behind Australia's involvement in world wars. Of course we couldn't beat fascism by ourselves but in a like-minded coalition ... It's a start.
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ROBJEN
5 years ago
Though debating the development of Aspirin is rather far removed from the actual topic, it does serve to point out that one can find any amount of information to support a particular point of view. That’s why topics like this or religion or politics can become so heated. People develop their own ideologies and become passionate about them. From that point it becomes easy to search only for information to support your own point of view no matter the credibility of the source. It is simply a matter of committing to a belief and then searching for your reasoning. Both sides of this debate are guilty of it, neither side could really say with honesty that their information is 100% accurate and free of propaganda. This is where both sides need to come together, clear the emotion and begin sifting fact from fiction ..... only then when the actual reality is understood can solutions be developed.
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RHP User
5 years ago
Can't be heard if you're not disrupting.
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RHP User
5 years ago
Looking for sex in Kewarra Beach
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TheQuiet1
5 years ago
What are you people who say population growth is the more pressing problem proposing we do?Curl up and die? Binge hard until its all gone?Whether you want to address sustaining population growth or climate change the core issues are the same.The profit driven, planned obsolescence,resource squandering,win win win paradigm needs to change.And the disproportionate influence corporations, big business and extremely wealthy individuals have on your policies by virtue of there financial resources needs to change.Follow the money you say.Where does the money from your mining companies lead? Not to the greens or the ABC does it rigguy.It leads directly to a policy of inaction and denial.You have been intentionally brought to a position where you have no choice but to keep burning coal.This is what the vested interests lobbied for.You've been sold out for political donations and an honorary position on a board of directors with attendant salary and bonuses.If you want to know who any politician of any stripe sold you out to look at the positions they take up after office.
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RHP User
5 years ago
These climate change activists, most of them are just sheep’s that have jumped on the bandwagon. Not one of them has come up with an economical solution about climate change, that will make the government take notice of there protest, this also makes it hard for the majority of the population to join in. These protesters will achieve just more sanction to our freedom!
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RHP User
5 years ago
A few things here for me.... I love my solar setup in my ute. I designed it to go camping with and even in the middle of winter, I can go all week with only the solar panel recharging my auxiliary batteries in my Ute...powers my fridge and my sleep apnoea machine as if I was at home and unrestricted... But... Solar panels are inefficient....yes they are something that’s better than nothing, I’m not debating that, but at best currently we still haven’t reached 50%...I think my panel for my Ute is around 15-20%....which means it’s not harvesting 80-85% of the available light into electricity.... They also hate heat....kind of ironic really given we’re a sunburnt country and all. But they really hate heat so much their inefficiency is also affected and they produce less as the temperature goes up. As the example on my Ute I bought the largest wattage panel that my MPPT could handle to allow for such thermal throttling back of the cells. Grid tie in systems are not without restriction...you can’t buy a 12-13kw system and feed 12–13kw into the grid anyway, so those sized systems aren’t of any real benefit unless you’re at home in order to use the electricity you’re harvesting....unless you can store it *cue the arrival of Tesla powerwalls*. Which is the household equivalent of what I’ve installed into the back of my Ute in essence... Lastly for me, solar panels like any electrical device are prone to failures...given that they’re not serviceable has anyone really considered how to find a viable option for their disposal or recycling?? Sure you can replace the diodes that help prevent feedback from shading etc but if an individual cell goes open circuit your panel is essentially useless and it’s got to be removed and replaced....most of panels I see have a plastic component that the cells are mounted to... Kinda defeats their purpose really eh?? Mr Dragon
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sexonthebeach85
5 years ago
If you are more concerned about 'annoying climate protesters' than the droughts, fires and other disasters than you really need to check your priorities and probably your susceptibility to propaganda. It's going down folks, best we start trying to make a difference for the better. Talking about going down, if there are any ladies in WA who want the best kind of climatic event hit us up hahaha
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Salubrious1
5 years ago
Quoting 'ROBJEN' Though debating the development of Aspirin is rather far removed from the actual topic, it does serve to point out that one can find any amount of information to support a particular point of view. That’s why topics like this or religion or politics can become so heated. People develop their own ideologies and become passionate about them. From that point it becomes easy to search only for information to support your own point of view no matter the credibility of the source. It is simply a matter of committing to a belief and then searching for your reasoning. Both sides of this debate are guilty of it, neither side could really say with honesty that their information is 100% accurate and free of propaganda. This is where both sides need to come together, clear the emotion and begin sifting fact from fiction ..... only then when the actual reality is understood can solutions be developed. You hit the nail on the head with this statement . I also reread my other post and in my head I meant to write that Aspirin(brand name from Bayer) had origins from coal not made from coal now . sorry I fucked up on that point . For the people pushing for 100 renewables now and believe it is possible ,have you read Lovers44 post on how well their $25K solar system works . Has anyone come up with how many of Al Gores predictions have come true ? Massive bush fires are not caused by CO2 but more related to the lack of forestry management . There was a very good episode of Insight about a Traditional Owner trying to get the message across about cool burns to get rid of the ground litter build up to stop crown fires . All the Fire departments are in agreement with him but his biggest opposition is the Greens . Go figure . Here is a well respected person explaining how forests have been managed before white man came to this land but they won't listen .
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escapee65
5 years ago
I will respect your right to protest if you respect my right to go where I need to go to earn my living and feed my family. Gluing yourselves to roads does not have any effect on Scott Morrison or the head of BHP. By disrupting the streets your protests are making life harder for the people who have no ability to to fix the problem. Go protest outside Kirribilly House or outside Parliament. Or even better, spend the day planting trees. That way you can be part of the solution!
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RHP User
5 years ago
Greta, the school strikers, and extinction rebellion are right to be angry. I see them as a glimmer of hope, because finally people are starting to listen. Just maybe there is still time prevent the worst of it. I'm a research scientist. I have very little patience for climate change deniers and even less interest in arguing with them. However, having just finished reading all posts here (currently 9 pages), it occurs to me that perhaps there something useful I can say... How it is that I know that human-caused global warming is potentially catastrophic for all life on our planet? Do you suppose that it is because I have read the latest IPCC report? Or because I have personally reviewed temperature records, satellite data, and so on in order to form an educated "opinion"? Or perhaps it is because I have spent every waking day studying this problem for the last 30 years? No, none of these things. Other scientists have already done this for me. I know almost nothing about climate change and global warming, but I do know about the maths, physics, and supercomputing that go into climate change models. So I know that this is serious science. I know that every conceivable influence, effect, and feedback loop will have been carefully considered and, if necessary, included in the models. I know there is no way that any climate science skeptic is going to dream up something not already taken into account in these climate models. I know the type of people who work in the field, and I have heard what their consensus is. So I don't need to form an "opinion" about the data, and that's just as well, because I know that I'm not qualified to form one. Fortunately, our politicians don't need to form "opinions" about the data either --- they just need to listen. On the JJJ Hack interviews, David Attenborough suggested that the young ones see things more clearly. Perhaps we should all be angry and terrified.
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RHP User
5 years ago
I thoroughly disagree. The greatest change will be effected by government action. This kind of thing is necessary in a world where governments lack the balls to make the tough decisions. The small inconveniences cause by these protesters is nothing when compared the potential dangers inaction causes.
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RHP User
5 years ago
The analogy that I think sums up this situation is this: You are a passenger in a car it's heading toward a tree, but the driver is distracted. At some stage the passenger need to scream and shout to get the drivers attention before it's too late and the car crashes. This is what not only Extinction Rebellion is doing but also Greta Thunberg and all the other scientists. Another point with the protests and their tactic of disruption: is this method of protesting any different to the Suffragettes (n 1900's their tactics were direct action and civil disobedience.... ) or for that matter union protests who regularly close down streets. I think not! They are all using a valid political tool to get their message across. Whilst you may not agree with their tactics, you should support their right to do so. That is the whole point living in a democratic state like Australia!
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RHP User
5 years ago
Quoting 'Kokoflamingo' There have been people actively protesting for years. Some have been doing their own bit to help the planet without seeking recognition . For example, the 2 guys who invented a device that cleans plastics from the ocean. The people planting whole new forests. All of a sudden everyone is turning into a passionate activist. There are conflicting scientific reports about global warming. If everyone tried their best and made a few changes it would be of more benefit than a few people jumping on the current bandwagon which is fast turning into a circus. Hi Koko, Just to set the story straight, there are no "conflicting scientific reports". All of the evidence is pointing on one direction. 1. That is the climate is changing faster that at any time before or since the meteor that killed the dinosaurs.2. Humans are the major cause. There are however, "reports" that contradict the established science. However any simple investigation of these soon shows the bias that these "scientists" have. For example just recently there has been some publicity about a group of 500 "Scientists" submitting a report to the IPCC debunking climate science. The group responsible are engineers etc that worked for Shell. So a complete conflict of interest. One one side we have 1000's of dedicated low paid scientists measuring, observing and reporting. On the other side we have politically and financially motivated people with vested interests wanting the status quo to continue. Finally, re-tooling the economy from fossil fuel to renewable energy has the potential to generate massive economic growth world wide. We should be using this opportunity rather than missing the boat. Australia was a world leader in solar, now we are close to the bottom.... such a pity we wasted that opportunity.
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RHP User
5 years ago
I really cant argue with scientists. And we have conflicting reports. What I will say is that we were told years ago that things would happen that havent happened. Places turned to searing desert, many countries under water....... yes, there is change and not good change but I dont think this hysterical "it will happen in ten years" is doing any good. The governments and powers that be wont listen to the minions, it will take some awful catastrophe for them to actually get things in motion.
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RHP User
5 years ago
Australia doesn’t have the balls to get out from under the Queen’s skirt and be a republic so how the fuck is it going to take the lead as an innovator. We poke our nose out and join in when the rest of the world has proven it safe to do so. We can, and we coulda, and we shoulda, but we don’t.
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life_is_fun
5 years ago
Hello, Iam a German engineer for energy and environment. I do see both sites of arguments but when we clearly separate, we see the separation of emotinal opinions by the public. Not in past and not now people learned to evaluate information correctly. So they are missing the tools to handle lots of information/ desinformation to tell what truly evaluated, what is just written smart and capturing emotionally. I already created some articles, to publish, the scenario is quiet dangerous! Just always try to think, look who wrote the articles, what is compared and how the author stays to fact instead of capturing emotionally! Really good advice and it works even for me pretty good, is to figure out if the author want to inform about facts or spread an opinion by capturing emotionally. Use ur brain. An easy exampleof what I just red.....Even if I dont agree with the statement, that a windmill takes 25 years to produce co2 neutral energy to recover its production, I still ask to use the common sense. If we compare this energy to coal energy, to build massive coal powerstation. When does those technologies recover ??? How many effort, subsides, flights and mines pollution is required to dig coal out of the ground to burn this in powerstations ? Those powerstation require comparable turbine technologies like windmills to produce electricity out of movement. The powerstation need to be produced as well, by running it with resources, which are polluting and cause pollution by digging them out of the ground! Sorry but everyone who just jump on the train of populists by getting caught emotionally by some articles, I cant really take that as an serious attempt to start a discussion..... it's just dangerous what happens by misleading people in a free circumstance like the web (with all the benefits we get out of it) All the best wishes and Hope's that head are used to think and not just for haircuts and blowjobs 😂😂😂
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RHP User
5 years ago
I think another issue is that environmental issues are seen as green lefty thinking and that for people in the centre or right leaning to be for the environment is going against the grain. I have grappled with this myself, I have great concern for the environment but a lot of the green lefts policy bothers me, the only reason I vote green is because they won’t get elected, I will never vote liberal while they are so anti environment. And labours budget management leaves a lot to be desired so, I’m sure I’m not alone, another conundrum to deal with.
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RHP User
5 years ago
Yes , we need to act based on facts. Exactly what i meant in my comment.
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RHP User
5 years ago
The shit they’re doing to destroy the environment is criminal, they sell off and redirect water to try and ruin our farming land whilst polluting non stop then blame climate change in a bid to get us paying more and introducing things like the proposed commuters tax and a rise in fuel and energy costs...it’s just a joke! They used terrorism to scare us into giving up our digital freedom, now they’re using climate change scare tactics to take money, land & water, not to mention the fact that they’re also trying to get us to agree to ban protesting because of these environmentalist nut jobs who glue themselves to shit. The war on drugs, terrorism, climate change...this is a war alright, they’re fighting to take away what little freedom we have left. We all need to peacefully unite against the government, then re-elect people who are actually going to work towards a better future, not necessarily a more profitable one, just one where the people and planet are happy and healthy. Ms Phoenix.
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sweetpussy4u
5 years ago
Time for another comment from us. Calling the liberals anti green not exactly true they could quite probably do more for certain but if you go to the otherside then for those of us who rely on industries in the field such as agriculture,mining,construction etc. well it is absolutely terrifying. But that’s an entirely different debate. As a principal we have no problem with protesting and have actually been involved ourselves before but never have we broken the law nor caused any adverse displacement to other people or unnecessary impact on those involved. We also did our due diligence and research so if asked we could give the appropriate response with facts and figures. As well as hold a debate to hear the opposing sides arguments
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RHP User
5 years ago
The church of climate change is becoming adept at spending other people's money on corrupt ventures that leave nothing to show for the cost. These activists are hell bent on destroying capitalism. The left hates Australia and it's success in the world for such a small country. The only goal of Di Nutter and Bandt is the total ruination of Australia. Why don’t these people protest outside of the Chinese Embassy? No matter what we do it will have no impact if China keeps its present rate of emissions.
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RHP User
5 years ago
One thing is to have the right to protest, it is another thing altogether to break the law and inconvenience thousands of people going about their daily work.
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RHP User
5 years ago
Australia's co tribute on is so small that even the next target for us makes no difference to the world when India and China, to name but two, are pumping pollution out like crazy.
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SilverK
5 years ago
This thread has been a real eye opener. I feel so saddened that so many people have voiced that they’d rather have a convenient, comfortable and undistupted day today, rather than avoid a catastrophic future for themselves, their families and society. It’s already hard enough that our future involves large scale job disruption from technology like AI and robotics, and changes to global power-structures. But to add a man made temperature rise of 2-4 degrees C (our current course) and effects of more frequent and severe heatwaves, bushfires, flooding, drought, extreme weather events, coastal erosion, and the flow on effects of massive crop failures, food shortages, health system overload, forced human migration, mass species extinction... when we can avoid it if we act now... seems insane!! Not to mention that if we get to 3 degrees or higher, we risk a tipping point where global climate systems become irreversibly unstable. Gutted to hear how many people here just don’t give a shit. Just keep fucking people!!
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SilverK
5 years ago
PS: I have great faith in our ability to create an amazing, beautiful future, but not by sitting on our hands... by acting together, now.
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RHP User
5 years ago
Who do you think is buying our coal ?
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TheQuiet1
5 years ago
You sound like my children" I don't wanna clean my room she's not cleaning hers it's not fair"What are you proposing we do, nothing? Are you refuting the science?
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TheQuiet1
5 years ago
Nothing to do with the protests.A few accidents shut down the already heavily congested northside Brisbane run again.One of the reasons i changed jobs a couple of years ago was because i was averaging 2 to 2 1/2 hours a day getting to and from worksites.8-10 hours a week,a whole working day sitting in a car along with thousands of others doing nothing but spewing exhaust fumes into the air .All because repeated governments of all levels and colour have failed to keep up with infrastructure. They're more interested in posting a profit so they get re-elected. How does what the protests are doing even compare with the inconvenience,disruption,pollution and loss of productivity of that?Why are you not calling for tougher action on them with the same vitriol?
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TheQuiet1
5 years ago
Capitalism is hellbent on destroying our environment.
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DinnerDateFirst
5 years ago
Climate Change Deniers = instant turn off Same goes for Pauline Hanson supporters, and Allan Jones fans. Despite what many members of Red Hot Pie think, politics has a lot to do with sex. Unless of course you are a sociopath who doesn’t connect. Also an instant turn off.
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teejaylongsword
5 years ago
Quoting 'Dragon_Phoenix' A few things here for me.... I love my solar setup in my ute. I designed it to go camping with and even in the middle of winter, I can go all week with only the solar panel recharging my auxiliary batteries in my Ute...powers my fridge and my sleep apnoea machine as if I was at home and unrestricted... But... Solar panels are inefficient....yes they are something that’s better than nothing, I’m not debating that, but at best currently we still haven’t reached 50%...I think my panel for my Ute is around 15-20%....which means it’s not harvesting 80-85% of the available light into electricity.... They also hate heat....kind of ironic really given we’re a sunburnt country and all. But they really hate heat so much their inefficiency is also affected and they produce less as the temperature goes up. As the example on my Ute I bought the largest wattage panel that my MPPT could handle to allow for such thermal throttling back of the cells. Grid tie in systems are not without restriction...you can’t buy a 12-13kw system and feed 12–13kw into the grid anyway, so those sized systems aren’t of any real benefit unless you’re at home in order to use the electricity you’re harvesting....unless you can store it *cue the arrival of Tesla powerwalls*. Which is the household equivalent of what I’ve installed into the back of my Ute in essence... Lastly for me, solar panels like any electrical device are prone to failures...given that they’re not serviceable has anyone really considered how to find a viable option for their disposal or recycling?? Sure you can replace the diodes that help prevent feedback from shading etc but if an individual cell goes open circuit your panel is essentially useless and it’s got to be removed and replaced....most of panels I see have a plastic component that the cells are mounted to... Kinda defeats their purpose really eh?? Mr Dragon Hey Dragons! Lets take that ute out and have a solar camping orgy. We can invite the activists and we can fuck for the environment, or maybe fuck all the carbon away haha. You raise some interesting points about efficiency. It is telling though that you still love that solar ute set up. Even though it may not be 100 % efficient, you can go all week (even in winter) and only have to rely on your solar panels to recharge the battery - fantastic. Well done for designing that. I have a 2 k w system on my roof top. When I was first considering it, of course I had dreams of a zero electricity bill - who wouldn't want that? I didn't get that. But what I used to get was an awful bill of more than $300. The bill is now between $50 and $70. I actually enjoy paying that bill - it feels like a 'win.' It would be great if the panels were 100 % efficient forever. But my bill savings are consistent. The panels probably have a 10 year life span. I could have spent money on a nice overseas holiday that would have contributed to CO2 levels (jet fuel) and I would have some fading memories of hanging out with my now ex-partner. I am so glad I didn't invest in the holiday. So I am very happy with my panels that are not 100% efficient but save me big $ nevertheless. Panels are getting more and more efficient and less and less expensive all the time. Even some of the conservative climate change deniers could understand the benefit of generating your own power and saving money. The point you raise about what to do with dead panels as far as recycling goes is a good point. Hopefully there will be an answer for that. At the moment, my council can't even process glass bottles. The way recycling is at the moment is not quite there yet. It needs to evolve more. Each council needs to try to recycle its own waste where possible - that means less waste and local jobs. But this will take an investment of money and time to set up. My next task might be to do something about my gas usage. Maybe a solar hot water system that can hook into my instantaneous gas system. I am envious of your ute. It has good environmental credentials, its fun, it works and you designed the panel set up. Its a win win. Ultimately that is the answer to the environmental problem - a 'win win scenario that helps wallets and the environment. The love affair that conservatives have with traditional ways of generating energy mainly helps those who have been rich for a very long time and care mostly about themselves. Unless such conservatives are part of that industry, their support makes little sense. My panels have never failed - no moving parts - we can all win.
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RHP User
5 years ago
Dinner Date First Could not agree more. There is a saying 'people show their true colours unintentionally; pay attention'.
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SpicyKale
5 years ago
Dinner date first and sexybliss Couldn't agree more! People really do reveal their true colours... we had a couple approach us at a club post a big blackout SA had during a storm. They then started to slag off climate change, the greens, our state and anyone else they could think of. They then mentioned they had trouble connecting with couples in clubs😳 We couldn't get away fast enough. Politics has nothing to do with swinging for a lot on here, but we actually prefer to actually like the people we play with. No amount of Viagra would get me hard after telling me that Pauline got their vote 😳
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FeistyFatty
5 years ago
I couldn't disagree more with the above lol But at the end of the day; don't really give a hoot in hell who my friends vote for.... if they're vegans...... if they're Greenies....... if theyre Climate Changers...... if they're Anti Extinctioners ........ if they're Anti Adani...... if they're Anti Mining...... if theyre Immunisation Refusers ........ as long as they don't preach their beliefs to me. I'm big enough and ugly enough to acknowledge and respect their affiliations. Just as they too should be able to acknowledge and respect my complete opposite affiliations and beliefs. And if my voting for Pauline, Pro Adani, Pro Mining, Pro immunisations, Anti Protesting (theatrics not the foundationary merits) stance means someone bypasses myself (or hubby)..... bullet dodged for me too..... win win lol
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RHP User
5 years ago
Same....how boring if you only had friends with agreed with all of your views and opinions. I quite enjoy a healthy debate. :)
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SpicyKale
5 years ago
FFF, thanks for the heads up😉 It was the preaching about it that got to us and the mixing politics with a swingers club and wondering why no one would talk to them! Never mix politics, religion and swinging... still doesn't change the fact that we need to actually like our play partners 👍
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TheQuiet1
5 years ago
Cannot alter science.
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Salubrious1
5 years ago
I find it interesting that Pro Alarmist's nearly always jump straight to the conclusion that just because someone believes that there may be more to Climate Change than just CO2 emissions and are totally against any form of pro environment thinking. Why is it they only believe in the CO2 science but don't believe any of the other scientific explanations .Is this a form of " my religion is the correct way to talk to God and yours is wrong ". How many people have died over that argument in the last 2000 years ! The Alarmists do more damage by turning away from dialogue with people that have differing views . I'm pro environment but struggle with the Alarmist predictions that have not come true . The Maldives were supposed to be underwater by now . Queensland canal front houses have not flooded or become deserted or sold off cheap . Antarctica had record sea ice in 2016. etc If you shut the mines/gas industry down and also shut the sheep /beef industry down what happens to all the regional towns in Australia . A lot of Australia that is used for the meat industry is no good for cropping . How boring life would be if we all liked and thought the same . I have a very diverse group of friends , I respect their beliefs even if they are polar opposite to mine .
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RHP User
5 years ago
These are well organise left wing activists that are hell bent on destroying capitalism, The left hates Australia and it's success in the world for such a small country. There only goal is the total ruination of Australia.
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RHP User
5 years ago
These are well organise left wing activists that are hell bent on destroying capitalism, The left hates Australia and it's success in the world for such a small country. There only goal is the total ruination of Australia.
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TheQuiet1
5 years ago
Is not a bunch of people sitting around agreeing with each other and if you fund them they'll agree with you.Science is nothing more than a description of nature.Peer review means any scientist worth their beans will apply the full measure of their intellect to breaking the description.It's a brutal process that can destroy a life's work. Peer reviewed science transcends belief.Regardless of an individuals beliefs, opinions or motivations the description will hold.This is the power and beauty of peer reviewed science and why it stands as the pinnacle of human achievement.The notion that scientists would betray on such a scale that core principle, the beauty that inspires them, the insatiable curiosity and desire to know why that drives them , doesn't make sense. That is the money mindset not the scientists mindset.The media have no motivation to report peer reviewed science it's boring.They will seek the most outrageous and controversial story with little regard for its voracity and call it balance.We have given the question of climate change to our brightest minds in universities and institutions across the globe for a quarter of a century.Some of that won't pass peer review.But that which does we must listen to.It's all we have to go on.There is no other rational alternative.
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TheQuiet1
5 years ago
Are the open doors through which propaganda walks.And are what will ultimately betray it.
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