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Girl Power
November 14 2015
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MrPlayful
9 years ago
Any other sport is open to both males and females and I don't see why this one is any different in that regard. Ladies participate in other contact sports, and many sports that are telecast internationally. Men and women are all human beings and if a person chooses to participate in a sport of their choice then that is fine in my opinion. Whether or not we should be promoting violent sports is another thing though, and while watching one person beat the shit out of another is to some people interesting to watch, others do not believe its promotion is good for the community. I personally don't have a problem with it, I can remember watching Mike Tyson and Geoff Fennech on the tv as a kid, and it didn't make me want to go beat up my brother. Similarly, if I were to watch this, I wouldn't want to go beat up the missus. People who have those tendencies don't need prompts to do that, they just do because they are not decent human beings. As for women's involvement in this sport, go for it girls! People who start violent or physical sports do it for their own personal reasons. If a female doing this becomes good enough to be covered on TV I am sure they would be paid well just the same as any other national or international sports star. But the thing with this telecast is that it will probably raise a larger audience in the pubs and clubs simply because it will be a novelty seeing women fighting at that level, also due to the nature of this sport as opposed to boxing. So if they get a larger following hence more funding from tv rights, paid more, good on them. It's not for everybody, but as with anything else, if you don't like it, don't watch it. I would watch it if it was on and I had nothing better to do, but certainly wouldn't go out of my way to see it.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I am strongly against any "sport" that revolves around physically fighting an opponent. The main ones I refer to here is boxing and UFC. Those folk may as well drop their pants and see who's is bigger and then run into a brick wall for some brain damage. The sex of the competitors in such sports is irrelevant to me. Other fighting "sports" such as martial arts I can understand a little better as they are far more controlled and far less physically damaging to the competitors. I'm still never going to watch a match, but I can understand it a little more is all. BUT, if two people (man and/or women) want to see who can render the other unconscious the fastest, then who am I to stop them? If that's what makes them happy, then fine, it doesn't affect me at all.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Interesting topic because it's widely accepted with men's boxing, various types of fighting sports, I dislike physical violence in any form, men or women, people should learn to discuss things, or argue on here, like me lol
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RHP User
9 years ago
I believe it is a good thing. UFC allows for a much more realistic fight, a Karate fight will be paused once someone scores a point, while a UFC fight will continue, allowing for that person to counter the kick or punch, grab the leg, sweep the opponent, its less controlled and more realistic, it also allows fighters to make use of multiple fighting disciplines. I don't see why there would be any reason to stop women participating in a sport of their choice just because they are women, a good fighter is a good fighter, regardless of gender. Although I don't think Ronda should have been allowed into Australia after she outlined how she domestically abused her SO.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Mister Playful - I think women's MMA has moved well past the 'novelty' stage. It might not have been UFC - but years ago the biggest match WAS a female fight, referring of course to the Strikeforce bout between Gina Carano and Cyborg. Cyborg being the REAL bout people have been waiting for rather than Holly. I'd say that bringing up brain damage in relation to a female fight, particularly a Rousey fight is a bit off the mark - given her quick submission style. I enjoy good striking styles, but I really enjoy good grappling *nudge nudge* for the technicality of it, and it being like a chess match - trying to read what each person is working towards and the changes in moves to get there. Answering Freya's question, yes, women need to do this if they want to. I think it is excellent that the skill level has progressed to the point they can have proper divisions not just hand picked 'super fights' every now and then. I don't like Rousey's (and others who do it) style of trash talking opponents, or all of that - I understand why they do it, but I dislike it, leave it for the WWE wrestlers that are acting, MMA is a sport, you're all just athletes competing. I disagree with people treating it as just violence, they're competitors in a sport and have to play within certain rules.IMO the trouble is that mainstream TV sports highlights only show the bloody, battered spectacular stuff that is easy to showcase in a 5 second grab and non-fans can easily grasp. I'd liken it to ice hockey, you'll never see it on mainstream TV sports shows except when they play a clip of a fight - which is not representative of the sport at all.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Was only talking of this yesterday. I am a non-violent being and proud of it but I love to watch the UFC especially a talent like Rhonda. My brother in law practices MMA and I would love for him to introduce my niece to Rhonda Rousey (amazing woman) as a role model. We have so many role models in sports and some of these sports people should be as well. What I find the most interesting thing about this sport and other more so called violent sports is the incredible sportmanship. That is what is important to me in sport and most sports could do with as much sportmanship as I have seen in MMA. When you watch two people do what they enjoy doing and sure they do physically hurt each other but when they pick each other up even sometimes console, this shit belongs on the what makes you cry page. I consider sportmanship so much more than a winner and have refused to represent my city in sports because of sheep station mentality. Oh and Rhonda Rousey when her fights come on I have to watch as she is damn amazing but I am usually disappointed as she generally takes care of her opposition very quickly. I hope young Holly Holm fairs a little better than most have done. Freya twenty odd years ago I had female friends both boxers and kick-boxers so though not as common for females it was still around. A couple of points I would like to make in reference to a couple of comments. I think the UFC though smaller gloves and able to do some fairly nasty crap the Referees are very good when it comes to stopping a fight before it goes bad. They are shorter matches in comparison to boxing by a long way except for title fights. I enjoy the UFCI but find it sad that the UFC is as big and as popular (thanks to the selling of it) as it is as I do see small kids acting out their favourite fighters (perhaps that is more parental than anything though).
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RHP User
9 years ago
You see what i've just read upsets me to the core, sportsmanship? so beat someone to a pulp then help them up, and that's okay? This is how wars start, because men think it's okay and please, role model? My son, i'm proud to say has grown into an adult who hates physical violence, very happy he didn't have role models like that. Just imagine if every other man past, present and future, didn't think it was okay to kick someone in the head or punch them in the face or drop a bomb on them, there wouldn't be wars, hitler thought it was okay to hurt people, it's not okay, ever, it's just not okay - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
As someone who did a lot of kick boxing training in my 20s, with trainers who also trained fighters, I can appreciate the ability, athleticism and dedication to get to that level. But ... I believe we are what we eat - or consume in any manner, so I am not a fan of violent sport.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm not a fan a physical violence, but can appreciate MMA for its skills and smarts. I tried it for a while, but had to quit as I couldn't hide the bruises. We're talking about consenting adults and it's really up to them, in my opinion. As for your question "do women need to do this", Freya: I'm not even sure how to start answering that.
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RHP User
9 years ago
can walk across my swimming anyday.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Is violence, calling it sport doesn't make it right!! Male or female. - Posted from rhpmobile
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MrPlayful
9 years ago
We need to breath and eat. We don't need to fight (men or women), although some choose to. Why do they choose to? I suspect your suggestion Freeya is the answer - that it makes them feel empowered.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Can't wait for the main event Strong fit athletes Rock !!
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RHP User
9 years ago
It never ceases to amaze me how some can be so opinionated about something they clearly have no experience with. Firstly, I was inspired by the Payne family. I thought it was great and I cheered loudly when Michelle said that those who doubt her because of her gender can get stuffed. I think Ronda is amazing. Definitely the type of woman that would make me give up the single life. Tenacity, strength, endurance, a sense of humour and a love of her supporters. A great role model for anyone. On to the UFC... Let's preamble this with the fact that as of this moment, people are being slaughtered in many places around the world for seemingly no reason while we're talking about whether an officiated and regulated sport is "too violent." I think people in general really need to evaluate their priorities in a lot of cases like this. Learning how to fight was, to me, one of the best things I did to boost my self esteem and confidence. I learned boxing and MMA. MMA was unbelievably difficult. I'm sure most couldn't last 5 minutes on the mat with an amateur even if the goal was just to roll around and spar a bit. It is incredibly physically draining. The purpose of fighting another isn't to knock them out. It's to see how your skills stack up against the rest. I know people who have trained for 10 years and never even sparred because they're not interested in being punched in the head. Fair enough, it isn't for everyone. But nobody in the gym ridicules them for it. Boxing is actually more dangerous than UFC. Want to look at how many boxers have died in the ring or ended up with serious brain injuries? The 12oz gloves used in boxing makes it harder to knock someone out so it takes a lot more blows to the head if that's your goal. Most boxers go for the body though as it's more effective but that's another conversation. In UFC there are so many ways to win that the risk of permanent injury is low for a well conditioned fighter. Whereas boxing? Might take a few years but permanent brain damage is very likely. I don't hear any calls to ban that sport. Wouldn't it be oh so quaint to live in a world without violence? What a dream. But I live in the real world. I'd rather discuss what actions could be taken to prevent REAL violence like war, famine, disease, etc. Some UFC fighters might get a bit battered and bloody but that shit heals. If parents are worried about the affect it has on their kids, they could actually try getting educated instead of making armchair opinions about a sport they have no experience with. Then they can educate their kids. But in the slacktivist generation, it's just much easier to band together and call for it to be banned. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
I find it interesting the comparison to senseless violence and a sport that yes is about fighting (not violence). What this sport has done for some is beyond words. So many if it had not been for that gym would have been part to senseless violence, coming from alcohol and drug riddled families full of no compassion and pure violence. If one watches sports as I do there is no place for fighting yet brawls in football, rugby, hockey, baseball man the list goes on. This is where violence does not belong. I have watched contact sports since a child yet I have never hit anyone nor actually been in a fight because out of the ring it is only violence. I was also brought up as a pacifist and to see violence as wrong and completely unnecessary in life. What amuses me most or should I say shits me is contact sports like this have had the finger pointed at them forever yet we sit back watch tv, movies, the news or even listen to popular music these days that is riddled with violence and in our face daily generally without complaint. A bit ironic to me
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'CaptS' It never ceases to amaze me how some can be so opinionated about something they clearly have no experience with. There's no prerequisite about having experience with something before you can have an opinion on it. There are many things I have no direct experience with that I have opinions on, some of those opinions might change were I to gain some experience of the thing involved, but a lot wouldn't and I know I don't need the experience to hold that opinion. After all, opinions are just that, it's when people confuse opinions with facts that I get annoyed.
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RHP User
9 years ago
of violence, because that's what it is, you can gloss or pretty it up all you like, at the end of the day, one person strikes another person with the intention of hurting that person. And people like me who think that's barbaric and wrong on so many levels, are uneducated? Stop thinking with your dicks guys, if you're turned on by the way those women look, fine, they can go to a gym to get in shape, they don't have to hurt another human being to do that, and yes human being, meaning one of our own kind. Any way you try and justify it won't pretty it up for me. The world needs to stop all kinds of fighting and yes i'd be extremely happy to see it all banned, make love not war, works for me - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
For such well informed responses.My knowledge of this sport is only a day old.It was my daughter who told me about it..apparently there are a lot of young women who are inspired by Ronda..no H btw..personally I think it's great that women are learning skills which build their strength and confidence but not so sure about the violent aspect to UFC..just my thoughts xxFreya
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Missb4u
9 years ago
A new champ... Well done Holly.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Cant wait to see that fight. Sexy hot. Ill will cum 4 sure watching lol shh! - Posted from rhpmobile
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sweetgem
9 years ago
It is a good thing that women are getting more and more equality in the society of today's age, and it's good to know that there is a place for women in the entertainment industry with respect. However, it is sad to see that there are so many people out there that support violence, even if UFC is said to be a form of entertainment only! Do women need to do this?.......I don't know, as it is an individual's choice for choosing such a career. Just like there are women working in the law enforcement. Should women become a policewoman and put their lives at risk in order to provide the citizens a safer living environment? I do not think it's my call at the end of the day. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
That it i. Llike all combat "sport". At least they are conditioned athletes and have all the requisites covered. Unlike those you sometimes see cat fighting, as in after a few drinks, domestics etc. The list is endless... Not into it myself. Prefer dialogue over street smarts, that was another life! I thought Holm would do Rousey. Glad I'm not a gambler, have enough vices !
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RHP User
9 years ago
Anyone saying violence is violence: I'm wondering how do you feel about grabbing, hitting/spanking, flogging, etc as part of sex? Same same, or totally different thing? Genuine question.
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RHP User
9 years ago
When you only quote one paragraph out of quite a few, it only highlights the fact that you are unwilling to read further into the issue. I addressed your opinion in my post. - Posted from rhpmobile
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MrPlayful
9 years ago
A sly smack, gentle hair pulling, fingernails in the back are all good and fine (for me). Consider it just as a little rough play and certainly not to hurt anyone or do spider it as violent. Anything more than this I see as disrespectful especially as I do not want to hurt the person who I am wanting to be with, whether that is just a night or for the rest of my life. But an interesting question though as many may reply that if it is consensual, or more to the point the person actually likes being physically hurt as some do, the. It would be ok as they are fulfilling their fantasy or fetus have. But then again this sport we are speaking of is purely consensual too.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Won by a vicious kick to Ronda's head,kicking her unconcious.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Thanked every one who gave her so much love to help give her the confidence ( or whatever ) to be able to win. Interesting sport ....
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RHP User
9 years ago
That the competitors dislike each other and are trying to settle some disagreement....which is the uneducated component..... Me personally, I could care less about the sport.....but then again I like shooting clay pigeons.....so I guess I'll be the next martin Bryant :( I'm sorry in advance for those who I won't have any choice in my restraint
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RHP User
9 years ago
So youre the reason I havent seen any clay pidgeons flying around lately
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'I_touch_myself2' of violence, because that's what it is, you can gloss or pretty it up all you like, at the end of the day, one person strikes another person with the intention of hurting that person. And people like me who think that's barbaric and wrong on so many levels, are uneducated? Stop thinking with your dicks guys, if you're turned on by the way those women look, fine, they can go to a gym to get in shape, they don't have to hurt another human being to do that, and yes human being, meaning one of our own kind. Any way you try and justify it won't pretty it up for me. The world needs to stop all kinds of fighting and yes i'd be extremely happy to see it all banned, make love not war, works for me - Posted from rhpmobile I don't see how it is "thinking with your dicks" - most MMA involves men, very little involves female fighters - and even then I couldn't care less how they look when they're fighting. IMO the ones who rely on sex appeal to build their career over actual fight results are generally not held in as high a regard as female fighters who might not be as hot but can get the wins. Compare Cristiane Santos "Cyborg" vs Felice Herrig - the latter who seemingly spends her days booty twerking for the camera. But where do you draw the line between what is and isn't "violent"? Even chess is simulated warfare, hardly a nice thing. From what you've said, I think it is reasonable to say you're uneducated about full contact sports, combat sports in particular - that isn't to be nasty, I'm not educated on operating theatre protocols, nobody knows everything. Is a tackle in football violence or a specific technique to grab hold of your opponent? Guys who do use techniques to hurt their opponents are sanctioned by the game's authorities, and by the players themselves. Is a body check in ice hockey violent, or is it a technique to separate the puck from the player? Like football, guys who do do it to hurt are penalised, and considered in very dim light by other players. Is paddling and use of whips or canes violence that should be banned? Though consensual, the intent of the flogging is to strike and cause pain.
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Insomnian
9 years ago
Like it, hate it, condone it, don't condone it. At a guess I would say uneducated was meant as in do you know what actually goes into a MMA contest? Or do you just blanket dislike it through a blinders on vision. Have you read up on the rules that they have to abide by? Researched their training? If you had you'd know that most have trained in, not one but 2 to 3 different martial arts for a good many years before even thinking of stepping foot in an octagon. Basically, and shoot me down all you want, but it's a sport. No one is forcing you to like it, or even watch it, but to hate on something you've not even bothers to research I would say comes under the heading of ignorance. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to each the payperview seeings how the family wedding today saw me have to wait. Before I go.... Those of you hating on the UFC or Bellator MMA, a simple question... Do you also hate the army / navy / and airforce? They're trained to kill people and often have to, same with the police TRG or ATG, do,you hate them too, or do we need to label that as a sport before that happens.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Damn straight :p - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
I don't think that spanking or flogging as a prelude to sex is in the same stadium as intentionally trying to beat an opponent unconscious...as a practical, and fast way, to end a match. I enjoy watching boxing, for it's technical skill and controlled aggression...it's no street brawl...and I know little about MMA, but I was less than impressed at Rouseys arrogance at the televised weigh in. I know that boxers and wrestlers have used the weapon of bravado since time immemorial, but they do that by choice, not because they must. I watched Ronda get her face and her ego handed to her on a platter by a better opponent on the day...There's always one...and I thought of the social media attention she's had and the chatter of her being a role model for young women. In some public ways she is...young women, reach out and earn what you want in this mans world...but to suggest that arrogance and poor sportsmanship is the path to glory? I think not. Just because many of our male sporting heroes choose this path doesn't mean young women should emulate it. What's wrong with choosing the high moral ground and winning that way? Nice guys and girls don't have to come last...that's just what whe're told. Have long been a bit of a fan of Manny Paquiao. What a boxer and a gentleman.
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RHP User
9 years ago
There is a huge difference between doing a job which is in defence of others ,service to the community and a sport which is about personal gratification and important only to the individual xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
Gratuitous violence.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm sure it was a significant gratuity.
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Insomnian
9 years ago
There is a Huge difference. Which is a shame I actually have to give that sort of an example to show my point. It's a sport, be all and end all. Is no worse then boxing, karate tournaments or any other sport that involves any sort of physical risk ( which is most ). Don't really think it matters if you're male or female, they're both competitors.
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Seachange
9 years ago
Now, I have not read all the comments above... Here is my take on this. I am a practioner of martial arts (different disciplines from tae kwon do to goju ryu karate) for the last 20 years. On and off. interrupted only by my pregnancies and working overseas. In the last year or two on my training, I have competed in competitions in my level and age group both in the kata and sparring. I love the discipline and self-control that these sports have instilled in me. It has helped me in stress management and focussing, on top of the more obvious benefits such as strength and flexibility. sparring comps are very well controlled and are very strict with excessive violence, certain areas are off limits and very strict hitting rules applies. and all combatants are padded. There are no karate-kid dirty tricks allowed and auto disqualification applies, which is frowned in any dojos I have trained in. But we do get hit and it hurts. Nothing we can't handle and learn from. I switched from the more formal and structured training routine of martial arts to more natural street fighting techniques of boxing and kickboxing and eventually Muay Thai (Thai kickboxing), Totally different sports and fighting techniques from karate. One has to unlearn a lot of the techniques learnt in Karate when going into boxing and Muay thai. In moving up the level in boxing and Muay Thai, we wer allowed to spar with each other in the ring, 1-3 minute rounds, but not full contact. All padded and helmet and mouth guards. I do appreciate the energy,and techniques that goes in a fight as your mind races 100mph as yu watch your opponent movements and you look a the 'openings' in getting in a shot and following up with not just once but twice or three time. Going in for the kill without really maiming them. then there is the counter punches after a defensive move. It drains you at the end of the 1hour training both mentally and physically. It is both empowering and scary and I love it. sometimes I have to spar with men (not full contact) in Muay thai as there are not that many women doing the sports and it is challenging. I do get kicked and bashed and I bruise all over. But the key is that we get to know our strengths and use them to our advantage. Self preservation comes to mind everytime I pad up and step up into the ring. I have not entered into any comps as I dont think at my age it is necessary for me to prove anything and I would prefer to keep it at a fitness level with the occasional spar in the ring to test out my skills and apply my techniques. Now, do I find it violent.? It can be depending on the dojo's or boxing gym's philosophy. Does it condone violence? NO I dont believe so. I find that There is just as much violence in the football or rugby field or ice hockey, in my honest opinion. Do girls need to do it? I dont know. It is just another sport. I have much younger girlfriends who have gone into amateur boxing and won a few matches. No real damage. I admire the women who do a proper job of it, like Rousey (Olympian) and Holm (boxer), demonstrating a lot of technique and cunning. Now those are great skills. Self defence skills can never be underestimated. I believe all women should be able to protect themselves. Will I watch it? YES as I see women on the pinacle of their sports. Much respect to them.. It does not mean I condone violence anymore than those who go to watch footy and bash everybody up. Just my two cents.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Of UFC,is that you can only win if you do significant physical damage to your opponent,correct me if I am wrong,xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
I am not talking about contact sports in general,this post is specifically about UFC xxFreya
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Insomnian
9 years ago
You do not have to do significant damage to win. There are submission wins all the time. Most times an opponent will tap out before any significant damage. Take Rhonda Rousy for example, her signature move was the arm bar, which is a submission hold.
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RHP User
9 years ago
You can win in UFC by knock-out, if your opponent can't continue/is disqualified, by submission (when your opponent either physically taps out or verbally submits), or, in case none of the above happen, through points awarded by a jury.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I just found the brutality overwhelming xxFreya
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'CaptS' When you only quote one paragraph out of quite a few, it only highlights the fact that you are unwilling to read further into the issue. I addressed your opinion in my post. you didn't address my opinion, because I didn't tell you what my opinion of female UFC is (for the record, I don't have strong feelings about it one way or another). I was merely commenting on your amazement at people having opinions about things they don't have experience with, when that happens all the time. I'm quite sure you have a lot of opinions on things you don't have any experience with.
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RHP User
9 years ago
The fights depend on who is fighting, as Lily has said and cheers for that post Lily, but there are many disciplines involved in the UFC, MMA, and yes there are rules not just lets beat the shit out of someone cause we can. Some forms yes can be more explosive but others not so much. A fight is based on points as in who had the most significant hits, control in the ring, whether you are the one putting the pressure on and others I am sure. A knockout or submission means you don't have to go through the scoring process as it is a win. Now some fights look very violent and I am sure they hurt like hell but at times they are not so much. The problem I see like all media is the highlights and things that get those excited are the vicious fights, they plaster them over the net and what a shame the news that showed the fight result concentrated on holly knocking out Rhonda. During that fight Holly showed amazing boxing skills (world champion boxer) and kickboxing skills (world champion) a very talented lass. I am sure those that are more familiar with contact sport like this could inform in a much better and precise way. As I have not been part of this field just watched
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lovman8
9 years ago
I'm not really into watching UFC but just maybe we all have some tendency to violence and it may be better to have sports like UFC where this violence can be be played out (for both spectators and combatants) in a relatively controlled and "safe" way.
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'Freya70' I am not talking about contact sports in general,this post is specifically about UFC xxFreya Fair enough. Thanks for pointing it out. I follow UFC and boxing and Muay Thai bouts, both on female and male. Mostly male due to the fact that there are more fights scheduled for men than women. My boys and I watch it on tv or youtube to watch for the offensive and defensive techniques and marvel at some of the strength and speed by which some people get out of the situation. (eg, head lock or grappling). Yes it can be brutal but a lot of the times, fights are stopped before any further damage can be done. Those that receive KOs are mainly those caught unaware by a strike or kick expertly and stealthily executed by the winning competitor. It takes a lot of skill, intelligence and patience to not go on a full offensive attack on your opponent as Holm has done or the legendary Muhammad Ali did with Joe Frasier in the 70s. With reference to UFC, boxing and Muay thai are of the simillar vein, as UFC or Mixed Martial Arts utilizes multiple disciplines in the fight, boxing and muay thai included. They all fight in the ring, the difference is that in UFC they have the Octagon meshed whereas Muay thai and boxing rings are square and roped off. In both cases, you are trained to also used the Octagon walls, or ropes as part of your defensive and offensive techniques such as backing into the ropes (giving illusion of vulnerability) and lure the combatant in. Leaning off the ropes helps you rest, reassess the situation and then attack, deflect blows, escape or duck. A good defense play is just as effective as an offense. In real life, you can use these same techniques when you are pushed against a bar or a wall in a nightclub or tram/train or bus stop, self-defence on a confined space. In karate, a lot of the kata (form) movements lend to defensive moves in real life, and this is called the bunkai, reading your opponents' offensive movements (most are very predictable) and applying your Oyo, the fighting movements. I have been in situations where I have done these and having the presence of mind (little or no drinking for me) and my training served me well in real life. You will find that fighters like Holm utilized her training as a professional boxer and also her kickboxing skills. She kept Rousey at bay and played a defensive role rather than a full aggressive offensive as Rousey did. Very smart and intelligent of Holm to use Rousey's momentum for the latter to lose her centre of gravity (balance) and turn her back to the opponent. two big NoNos in a fight and lending her vulnerable of a physical and mental state. You basically can't hit what you cant see. Stance recoverywas also paramount in any fight, as a prep for the next move. Lessons applicable in the real life. The great thing about these combat sports for women is that it empowers women, of all ages, built or race to stand up to situations they are not used to. Most women would cower, shut their eyes or freeze at the hint of aggression from an unprovoked opponent. What martial arts or any self-defense discipline does is give woman (or man) some control in aggressive situations by giving them the presence of mind to read their opponents and respond accordingly and creating space to run away from a dangerous situation. Running away is always the first recourse to danger in real life. So yes, I am all for combatant sports that will encourage women to stand up from being bullied and aggressed on. There are lots of learnings in martial arts that can be carried over to real life. UFC is just another arena to show their skills . I prefer that UFC be more padded up, like head gears to avoid any permanent brain damage. We spar with our headgears on and a breast plate (karate and Muay Thai) but the women in UFC fight in skimpy clothing, minimal protection. Sorry for the long post, as you can see, I am passionate about it. I do understand it is not for everyone. Fair enough but these people on tv are ELITE athletes and have trained for years or most of their lives for the opportunity to further their sport. My opinion is martial arts and any combatant sports does not really translate to perpetuating violence in society. Any decent fighting gym or dojo will have their philosophy on controlled aggression and fairness. It gives you tools in managing situations that you normally would not encounter in everyday life and give you control over them. In my opinion, if more women learn self-defence or martial arts, we are less vulnerable, more confident, more assertive and lessens the chances of us being victimized by violent men. I am petite and it surprises the men at the club of my strength, endurance and that I can kick their butt during training.
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RHP User
9 years ago
You can spin this all you like,if this happened anywhere else..to deliberately render someone unconcious you would be charged with GBH..Again,I don't have a problem with martial arts or self defence training,I have a problem with gratuitous violence..I have been shocked by the responses so will not post again.
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' You can win in UFC by knock-out, if your opponent can't continue/is disqualified, by submission (when your opponent either physically taps out or verbally submits), or, in case none of the above happen, through points awarded by a jury. wrt UFC. You dont have to be significantly beaten up to win. One just needs to submit, get knocked-out (unlucky) or win by points. No different from boxing.
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'Freya70' You can spin this all you like,if this happened anywhere else..to deliberately render someone unconcious you would be charged with GBH..Again,I don't have a problem with martial arts or self defence training,I have a problem with gratuitous violence..I have been shocked by the responses so will not post again. No spin to please you or anybody. It is just the way it is. It is a sport, a bloody sport. No different from other full contact sports like american football, AFL, Rugby or Ice Hockey. So should be treat them equally with the same leniency or harshness as you view UFC? I just wish the fighters are more padded up than they are now, similar to boxing and tae kwon do comps in Olympics. As I said, you can view it as you will and you are entitled to it. I will just have to accept your personal view as you have made up your mind and nothing I can do. I will not apologize for the nature of the sport, boxing, martial arts or UFC. Nor will I utilize any euphemisms for the level of brutality in the sport. Most of the time, the fights end up in submission rather than knock-outs, but the media focuses on the more spectacular KO wins as violence sells (with female UFC fights, sex and violence sells). No different from media reporting head-on clashes or KOs or punch-ups in footy.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Wish there was a rule for all contact sports that neck and head are off-limits. Especially injuries to the brain can be incurable.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I haven't seen MMA fights that often, but I do notice that they are often bloodier in a shorter time than other sports fighting disciplines. Perhaps this is partly because of the lighter gloves allowing more damage to the face? I don't know.I haven't looked into the history and creation of the UFC, but I wouldn't be surprised if the bloodiness was deliberately designed into the sport to feed the bloodlust of its viewers. Of course, if my theory is true it's unlikely that it would be officially recorded as such...that's not PC. It's like with football...particularly the big games like State of Origin...don't many fans lust after the spilt blood and occasional fights that erupt, from a sport that has nothing to do with fighting? Emotionally siding with their chosen "Warrior tribes?" Bring Back The Biffo...?! Like the arena gladiatorial fights of old, many people still want to see blood...and just like then, the media knows this and see's a window of opportunity. Is that why the UFC was created...to profit off our increased lust for blood? I personally prefer to watch boxing than MMA, I think because I understand its rules better and those stricter rules...no legs, wrestling, elbows, striking when down, etc...appear to bring out a visibly tighter focus in the competitors on winning within the guidelines of the sport. Boxing appears to be a quite strictly governed martial art compared to MMA. I recently went to a fight night in a Bangkok boxing stadium...not so much for myself but to chaperone a female friend...and I was impressed by their skill and sportsmanship. The kick boxers seemed to range in age from teenagers to maybe late 20's and they all looked like they were carved from stone, even the boys. Dedication from an early age.The bouts were 5 rounds long, I think, and all seemed good sports...no cocky face-offs or arrogance, just the occasional smile or a nod when one fighter tagged the other a good one.It's funny, when you buy your ticket from the ticket seller they ask you if your interested in jumping in the ring for a bout...you look strong, free entry and all that. Are you kidding?!! I value my health now.My boss...a former boxer...had told me how he'd taken up that offer once. Against a former junior champion. It had the expected results. I think the locals don't mind seeing a cocky Aussie get their ego handed back to them now and again.
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Nitrox1
9 years ago
Love all the noble gestures here, violence in sport blah, blah, blah, sport in combative by nature, that why there are rules, to minimise damage and still allow people to compete against each other. What about those nasty people who shoot Bambi, or those ones who pull Nemo out of his home with a steel barb in his mouth, is that violent. Or all those poor old cows and sheep we murder to eat, Hmm more violence. I wont even go into religious or domestic violence or video games. I think there is far more pertinent violence that maybe we should focus on than that which is done in the name of sport. Nothing to see here move on.
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'Wizzy1' Love all the noble gestures here, violence in sport blah, blah, blah, sport in combative by nature, that why there are rules, to minimise damage and still allow people to compete against each other. What about those nasty people who shoot Bambi, or those ones who pull Nemo out of his home with a steel barb in his mouth, is that violent. Or all those poor old cows and sheep we murder to eat, Hmm more violence. I wont even go into religious or domestic violence or video games. I think there is far more pertinent violence that maybe we should focus on than that which is done in the name of sport. Nothing to see here move on. I hear your point but you are seriously off topic.
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'Koolgrey' I recently went to a fight night in a Bangkok boxing stadium...not so much for myself but to chaperone a female friend...and I was impressed by their skill and sportsmanship. The kick boxers seemed to range in age from teenagers to maybe late 20's and they all looked like they were carved from stone, even the boys. Dedication from an early age.The bouts were 5 rounds long, I think, and all seemed good sports...no cocky face-offs or arrogance, just the occasional smile or a nod when one fighter tagged the other a good one. Lumpinee Park in Bangkok: I';ve been there a couple of times and watched the Muay Thai fights. The art of Muay Thai is highly regarded and respected tradition in Thailand. Muay Thai fighters represent their schools and towns with pride and honour. To fight dirty and be cocky is a disgrace to the school, their master and their town. It is considered the sport of kings in Thailand. And yes, they seem like they are compact fighting machines who live and breath their sport. Chiseled is a good description. Lol. I love watching Tony Jaa (Ong Bak movie), as he seems to have full control of his body and his techniques are sharp, lethal, graceful and beautiful.
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RHP User
9 years ago
If everyone also realises that the only difference between these fights and a pub brawl; is consent?? So in the ordinary pub world; this would be seen as not a sport at all.....but in fact a criminal offence..... Just a thought :) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Freya70'Of UFC,is that you can only win if you do significant physical damage to your opponent,correct me if I am wrong,xxFreyaMMA has specific rules designed with the fighter's safety in mind (where and how they can strike, or what 'holds'/'moves' may be allowed) and the referees are instructed to step in and stop the fights if it becomes unsafe for a fighter. Different levels of the sport have different rules to protect fighters at amateur level vs minor and major pro levels. e.g. amateurs wearing padding vs pros just wearing gloves. Quoting 'Freya70' You can spin this all you like,if this happened anywhere else..to deliberately render someone unconcious you would be charged with GBH..Again,I don't have a problem with martial arts or self defence training,I have a problem with gratuitous violence..I have been shocked by the responses so will not post again. Context matters. If I started blasting rubber pucks past someone standing in a doorway, tackling someone in the street like a rugby player, or driving the streets like I was in an F1 competition I would be in serious trouble - but not within the appropriate sport. Context matters. If I started handcuffing people in the street and carting them off in the back of the car - if I was a cop I'm fine, if not I'm looking at a false imprisonment sentence at best. I don't like gratuitous violence - so while I enjoy a good MMA fight, I really dislike fights at the hockey as they're gratuitous violence, same as fights at the football. They're not allowed within the rules. IMO it is mistakenly conflating 'personally confronting'/'personally shocking' with 'gratuitous'. I don't understand why you'd be "shocked" and not post again? I think it has been a very polite thread, but it has shown that generally the people characterising UFC/MMA as a violent negative thing don't have much actual knowledge of the sport. Something I'd say regarding the "bloodbath" fights, cuts and bruises aren't really THAT bad thing to happen to a fighter in MMA - you get some stitches and it has to heal, but while the blood is very visually confronting it isn't lasting damage - I'd rather have a bleeding cut on my forehead than my joints being manipulated near end ranges in a submission hold, but those aren't spectacular to the casual viewer.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Stirry' If everyone also realises that the only difference between these fights and a pub brawl; is consent?? So in the ordinary pub world; this would be seen as not a sport at all.....but in fact a criminal offence..... the only difference between an orgy and gang rape is consent. the only difference between painting a mural on a public wall and graffiti vandalism is consent. context and consent make all the difference! What was the point of that post?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Stirry' If everyone also realises that the only difference between these fights and a pub brawl; is consent?? I was just about to post a comment about consent myself, though mine mentioned the big difference, not the only one. The way you're saying it sounds to me like consent is a fine line instead of a clear boundary, which I totally disagree with. Would you say the only difference between being restrained during sex and rape is consent? I think that's far too simple personally.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Firstly I must say I'm not a legal practitioner but I'm speaking from 10 years of pub/club crowd control in which I was licenced in the capacity thereof.... It is pretty simple....in the cases of consenting to assault... For example the forms people fill out before an operation is consent for a doctor to assault your person....same for "sporting events" such as ufc...there's bound to be an indemnity to assault contract of the sort that the competitors are consenting to the assault that lie therein....unlike pub fights that are usually of the similar objective...that is....essentially to disable their opponent as quickly as they can to reign their supremacy..... Rape and sexual assault become grey areas as usually it's a verbal agreement and therefore becomes wayyyy less easy to prove or disprove for that matter.... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
...yes, the reverence to which the Muay Thai boxers held their sport was impressive to see...particularly the pre-fight prayers and ritual. It's likely that most come from from low socioeconomic backgrounds and that their share of a win is going towards their families back home. Particularly as the career of a fighter who fights every week is likely to be short.Proper hard men they are. I'm a fan of the movies of Jet Li and Donnie Yen myself...such as Fearless or the many versions of the Ip Man story: the teacher of Bruce Lee.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Great minds think alike.
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RHP User
9 years ago
My point being..... A fight such as these in the name of sport can only be seen as sport due to the consent.... If such an event occurred like it in downtown kings cross itd be merely labelled as "alcohol fuelled violence" Quite often with tragic results..... As I've said previously I could care less about the sport....to me it's two consenting dickheads in a ring fighting......I'm not against it, but I'm nowhere near for it either..... - Posted from rhpmobile
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Insomnian
9 years ago
Quoting 'Stirry' My point being..... A fight such as these in the name of sport can only be seen as sport due to the consent.... If such an event occurred like it in downtown kings cross itd be merely labelled as "alcohol fuelled violence" Quite often with tragic results..... As I've said previously I could care less about the sport....to me it's two consenting dickheads in a ring fighting......I'm not against it, but I'm nowhere near for it either..... - Posted from rhpmobile Yep, which it probably would be, as you said in your post... Alcohol fueled violence. As far as clubs / pubs the key ingredient in both of those cases is alcohol and sometimes even drugs. I too have seen this through my work as a licensed Crowd Controller. You also forgot the fact that Kings Cross or any other place such as that is not a controlled environment complete with onsite medics and officials. I'm sorry Freya as I've read most of your topics and enjoyed the lot of them, except this one which seemed to me that the whole topic was merely to state that the you disliked UFC and woman competing in UFC specifically. Such a post I think could have been just as easily been stated in the Venting or Everything and Anything thread.
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RHP User
9 years ago
For me....a big minus for this sport is the glamorising of the violence that we would normally detest to in the streets....sure medics are ringside, but that's no different in my view to having first aid trained security officers present....yeah we'll call it a sport; but would we all stand around in a circle and watch this occur in the street, or in the venue with which you work??? I doubt it....
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RHP User
9 years ago
If I saw two people randomly beat the shit out of each other, I'd call the cops. If I saw them fight with full consent, under strict rules and in a controlled environment? Well no, I still wouldn't watch as I don't really enjoy it, but I wouldn't be disturbed either.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'lilyorchid' Quoting 'Wizzy1' Love all the noble gestures here, violence in sport blah, blah, blah, sport in combative by nature, that why there are rules, to minimise damage and still allow people to compete against each other. What about those nasty people who shoot Bambi, or those ones who pull Nemo out of his home with a steel barb in his mouth, is that violent. Or all those poor old cows and sheep we murder to eat, Hmm more violence. I wont even go into religious or domestic violence or video games. I think there is far more pertinent violence that maybe we should focus on than that which is done in the name of sport. Nothing to see here move on. I hear your point but you are seriously off topic. 1. We're not talking about killing anything or anyone2. Animals are never able to give consent3. Domestic violence and religious violence: find me a male or female victim who agrees with being assaulted against their will4. Video games: if you think they contain beings that can think for themselves I really have no hope for you. The "blah, blah, blah" is really the only thing about your comment that makes any sense to me.
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Seachange
9 years ago
Lol. I was being polite.
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Nitrox1
9 years ago
You obviously missed my point, there are many forms of violence. What is violence to some isn't to others, what is sport to some isn't to others. Yada, yada yada, whether its killing, maiming or emotional it can all still be violence. Your reference to thinking for ones self, or consent, had nothing to do with my post. I suggest you read it again so your comments can relate to what I wrote.
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RHP User
9 years ago
i personally love watching MMA...(female here)as many pointed out before, it's two consenting adults who wish to measure their skills and endurance against one another... if it's not your cup of tea, don't watch it...simple...i have done some martial arts when i was younger...and agree with some others here...running away from a fight in public is the first route most fighters would take...firstly cause that's the fundamental message/rule in most disciplines...and secondly, cause knowing that they could punch the living day light out of the arrogant drunk/high prick who is trying to pick a fight , is good enough... it's one thing having senseless aggression on the streets..quite another to have a fight in the ring..with strict rules, and a mutual willingness to participate...there's an enormous effort that goes into having such a fitness level and skill set, that enables one to even attempt to step in that octagon.... and last but not least...if one has the tendency for violence, or just simply a desire to fight...i would much rather have them release those urges in a controlled environment, with an opponent who is just as eager to be there..with medics and all...then chose to find another outlet, like picking on someone in a bar, simply cause they really feel like punching someone... i respect everybody's opinion though...and can see why some people would disapprove...but i for one have no problem with it...quite the opposite.
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'sensualtimestoo' i personally love watching MMA...(female here)as many pointed out before, it's two consenting adults who wish to measure their skills and endurance against one another... if it's not your cup of tea, don't watch it...simple...i have done some martial arts when i was younger...and agree with some others here...running away from a fight in public is the first route most fighters would take...firstly cause that's the fundamental message/rule in most disciplines...and secondly, cause knowing that they could punch the living day light out of the arrogant drunk/high prick who is trying to pick a fight , is good enough... it's one thing having senseless aggression on the streets..quite another to have a fight in the ring..with strict rules, and a mutual willingness to participate...there's an enormous effort that goes into having such a fitness level and skill set, that enables one to even attempt to step in that octagon.... and last but not least...if one has the tendency for violence, or just simply a desire to fight...i would much rather have them release those urges in a controlled environment, with an opponent who is just as eager to be there..with medics and all...then chose to find another outlet, like picking on someone in a bar, simply cause they really feel like punching someone... i respect everybody's opinion though...and can see why some people would disapprove...but i for one have no problem with it...quite the opposite. People who indulge in martial arts or combat sports are not all dickheads as someone mentioned in this thread. Obviously I would say that it just reflects their lack of information or understanding of the sports. It takes lots of time, dedication and sacrifice to attain the level of discipline , mental toughness and fitness to get to the Elite level. With most of the fighters, they would have some ingrained philosophy in fighting, a mental discipline learned from their sensei or trainers, over the years on top of the physical training. These come hand in hand in the forming of a good sportsman. Walking away from a fight is always the first option indeed as your combat skill can be seen as a weapon by the police. You are as good as your school.
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Insomnian
9 years ago
Quoting 'Stirry' For me....a big minus for this sport is the glamorising of the violence that we would normally detest to in the streets....sure medics are ringside, but that's no different in my view to having first aid trained security officers present....yeah we'll call it a sport; but would we all stand around in a circle and watch this occur in the street, or in the venue with which you work??? I doubt it.... The big difference I see there Stirry is that in the street or a venue such as a club, or pub, is the the fight is usually over a disagreement, fueled by alcohol or drugs. Totally different to two different people who are in a ring pitting themselves against the other to see who has trained harder, or is luckier on the night. There is no alcohol or drugs fueling either and usually there is no disrespect or anger towards the other. As far as glamorizing violence, I think it's a perception thing in that respect. What some see as glamorizing violence to others is a contest between two trained people. To each their own.
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RHP User
9 years ago
read Ronda Rousey's autobiography?? And does anyone have access to the strict rules for ufc fights?? They seem to govern their attire and give about 6-8 manoeuvres that are considered illegal and I'm sure that it's much more stringently controlled than that from the info I've been able to dig up.... - Posted from rhpmobile
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Insomnian
9 years ago
If a contest of mixed martial arts is stopped because of an accidental foul, the referee shall determine whether the unarmed combatant who has been fouled can continue or not. If the unarmed combatant's chance of winning has not been seriously jeopardized as a result of the foul and if the foul did not involve a concussive impact to the head of the unarmed combatant who has been fouled, the referee may order the contest or exhibition continued after a recuperative interval of not more than 5 minutes. Immediately after separating the unarmed combatants, the referee shall inform the Commission's representative of his determination that the foul was accidental.If a fighter is fouled by blow that the referee deems illegal, the referee should stop the action and call for time. The referee may take the injured fighter to the ringside doctor and have the ringside doctor examine the fighter as to their ability to continue on in the contest. The ringside doctor has up to 5 minutes to make their determination. If the ringside doctor determines that the fighter can continue in the contest, the referee shall as soon as practical restart the fight. Unlike the low blow foul rule, the fighter does not have up to 5 minutes of time to use, at their discretion, and must continue the fight when instructed to by the referee.For a foul other than a low blow, if the injured fighter is deemed not fit to continue, by the referee, the referee must immediately call a halt to the bout. If the fighter is deemed not fit to continue, by the referee, even though some of the 5 minute foul time is still remaining, the fighter cannot avail himself of the remaining time and the fight must be stopped.If the referee stops the contest and employs the use of the ringside doctor, the ringside physician's examinations shall not exceed 5 minutes. If 5 minutes is exceeded, the fight cannot be re-started and the contest must end.Fighter Fouled by other than low blow:A fighter who has been struck with a low blow is allowed up to 5 minutes to recover from the foul as long as in the ringside doctor's opinion the fighter may possibly continue on in the contest.If the fighter states that they can continue on before the five minutes of time have expired, the referee shall, as soon as practical, restart the fight.If the fighter goes over the 5 minute time allotment, and the fight cannot be restarted, the contest must come to an end with the outcome determined by the round and time in which the fight was stopped. See Section 16 below.Low Blow Foul:The referee will verbally notify the bottom contestant of the foul.When the round is over, the referee will assess the foul and notify the commission, the corners, the judges and the official scorekeeper.The referee may terminate a contest based on the severity of a foul. For such a flagrant foul, the contestant committing the foul shall lose by disqualification.If a bottom contestant commits a foul, unless the top contestant is injured, the contest will continue and:The referee shall call timeout.The referee shall order the offending contestant to a neutral location.The referee shall check the fouled contestant's condition and safety.The referee shall then assess the foul to the offending contestant and deduct points if the referee deems it appropriate, and notify the commission, the corners, the official scorekeeper of his decision on whether the foul was accidental or intentional and whether a point is to be taken away.If a foul is committed:Only a referee can assess a foul. If the referee does not call the foul, judges must not make that assessment on their own and should not factor such into their scoring calculations.Fouls may result in a point being deducted by the official scorekeeper from the offending contestant's score. The scorekeeper, not the judges, will be responsible for calculating the true score after factoring in the point deduction.Disqualification may occur after any combination of fouls or after a flagrant foul at the discretion of the referee.Butting with the headEye gouging of any kindBitingSpitting at an opponentHair pullingFish hookingGroin attacks of any kindPutting a finger into any orifice or any cut or laceration of an opponentSmall joint manipulationStriking downward using the point of the elbowStriking to the spine or the back of the headKicking to the kidney with a heelThroat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the tracheaClawing, pinching or twisting the fleshGrabbing the clavicleKicking the head of a grounded opponentKneeing the head of a grounded opponentStomping a grounded opponentHolding the fenceHolding the shorts or gloves of an opponentUsing abusive language in fenced ring/fighting areaEngaging in any unsportsmanlike conduct that causes injury to an opponentAttacking an opponent on or during the breakAttacking an opponent who is under the care of the refereeAttacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the roundTimidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injuryThrowing opponent out of ring/fighting areaFlagrantly disregarding the instructions of the refereeSpiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neckInterference by the cornerApplying any foreign substance to the hair or body to gain an advantageThe following acts constitute fouls in a contest or exhibition of mixed martial arts and may result in penalties, at the discretion of thereferee, if committed:
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Insomnian'What some see as glamorizing violence to others is a contest between two trained people. To each their own. Totally agree.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Stirry' read Ronda Rousey's autobiography?? And does anyone have access to the strict rules for ufc fights?? They seem to govern their attire and give about 6-8 manoeuvres that are considered illegal and I'm sure that it's much more stringently controlled than that from the info I've been able to dig up.... I'm not really a Rousey fan, I enjoy her submission/grappling style - but I dislike her public persona from what I've heard in her interviews on TV, text and podcasts. lookup "unified rules of MMA" for the ruleset used by the UFC and most competitions.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Never read her autobiography didn't know she had one, seems a little early and very premature to have published one. I know she was an American olympian that won bronze in the wrestling and her mother was a well known champion wrestler. But I feel it is only her hype that would lead to a book at this stage. She has supposedly done a couple of movies and some music too which to me seems a bit like selling out as an athlete, each to their own though. I don't know that much about the UFC though I have watched it for many years. It seems to me the UFC is the thing most people know of and possibly the only. Well UFC is just one of dozens of different promoters and what I would call the hollywood, disney of them. As far as I have seen it tends to have less rules than a lot of the others. The one thing in my opinion that should definitely be outlawed though is the elbow, a ridiculously dangerous and potentially lethal weapon.
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RHP User
9 years ago
lol my autocorrect thinks you're "insomniac" lol But I agree. Re: the glamourising part...I may need to rethink that bit...as it's probably too emotive....but ya get my point.... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
lol my autocorrect thinks you're "insomniac" lol But I agree. Re: the glamourising part...I may need to rethink that bit...as it's probably too emotive....but ya get my point.... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
"Competitions can help us uncover our weaknesses, and discover that we are our own true enemy." I was re-watching a favourite Chinese martial arts movie last night and this quote, attributed to a historical master at the turn of last century, stuck with me.He was suggesting, I believe, that the true purpose of martial competition is as a tool to reveal our flaws. And that the weaknesses we should seek to conquer are within our own minds, bodies and souls.
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Insomnian
9 years ago
It's a Biography that is Unauthorized and Uncensored, written by someone called Mathew Demers. For the writers notes it states that neither Rhonda Rousey or the UFC endorse it. Correct me if i'm wrong on that one Stirry. As far as auto correct thinking my names Insomniac, that was where my name originated from, given my all too common 14 hour night shifts.
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RHP User
9 years ago
:) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
The one I've dug up is authored by Ronda and her sister :) - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
"my fight, your fight" - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
I thought that was absolutely unacceptable, but then I read this from a recent interview: "However, controversy has stemmed from that particular excerpt in her book with mainstream media latching onto it this week. "I punched him in the face with a straight right, then a left hook. He staggered back and fell against the door," Rousey wrote. "... I slapped him with my right hand. He still wouldn't move. Then I grabbed him by the neck of his hoodie, kneed him in the face and tossed him aside on the kitchen floor." In the book, Rousey referred to the ex-boyfriend as "Snappers McCreepy," because he allegedly took naked photos of her while she was asleep. She found the pics and obviously was not happy about the situation. Rousey, 28, the undefeated champion and former Olympic judo bronze medalist, said Thursday (Friday afternoon in Melbourne) that she was simply using a mean of defense against someone attempting to impede her from leaving. "So if someone is blocking you into an apartment and not letting you leave, you're entitled to defend yourself and find a way out," Rousey said. "If you're trying to grab your car and leave and they're grabbing your steering wheel and saying that you can't leave, that's technically you being kidnapped and you can defend yourself in any ways necessary." Rousey (12-0) finished her explanation to the reporter with a wink. "I have lawyers that check these things out," she said." Convenient story, but if he was physically stopping her from leaving it is indeed a kidnapping offence according to the law. Question is: did she use reasonable force to get away or beat the crap out of him for good measure because he pissed her off? The winking bugs me, I don't think the story is in any way amusing.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Sorry that should have been judo not wrestling both mother and daughter. As far as glamour sport goes, I know these people in the UFC are athletes and damn fine athletes at that but I would have to say that the UFC is the glamour sport of the televised combat sports.
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RHP User
9 years ago
my understanding of that context upon face value; I would be seeing that as wrongful arrest or unlawful arrest whichever it is, as an arrest is usually defined as the deprivation of civil liberties for however short of time....an example of that by definition would be refusing a bag inspection at the local kmart or whatever; and the checkout attendant stands in front of you preventing your exit.... As for the disproportionate use of force....upon face value I would agree, as I read similar at Wikipedia but the construction of the passage led me to believe she instigated the assault when she was made aware of the pictures that he had.... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
from fightland.... "Of her devastating signature armbar, when executed perfectly, she writes, “It’s like ripping the leg off a Thanksgiving turkey. You hear it pop-pop-pop, then squish.” Putting it to use in her first fight against (then) Strikeforce champion Miesha Tate: “I arched my back until I felt the squish, her ligaments snapping between my legs… I ripped off muscles from her bone and tendons.”" Hardly a mindset conducive to "testing ones own ability and skills against another fighter." It's more testing the structural integrity of her opponents muscles and tendons..... - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Meander, I find this story of so called self defense deplorable from anyone but especially from one who knows self control through her career. Subduing him would not have been hard for this woman but she chose to strike him many times. It certainly sounds to me more like she was pissed off and wanted to inflict her form of justice. Sadly a butt load of cash with the right lawyers can get people out of a whole lot of shit and if that wink did happen that is just slimy.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Agree, I must say I'm not buying her version of events for a minute. Just my opinion, of course I wasn't there.
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Seachange
9 years ago
of how Rousey conducted herself, she is just one of many martial artists in the field. She has further interests than in the sports and that is reflected in her actions, manufactured or not. Just another PR stunt , IMO. i did not read or research her biography or 'auto-biography'. I have no real interest in her outside the sports arena. Her behaviour is not a true reflection of all practitioners of martial artists and sports people. I hope this is not what people will think as already there is a misconception of combatant sports. UFC, boxing or otherwise. We should detach the personalities from the sports. There will always be assholes in any group, whether it be in martial arts or any sports. They always stand out for all the wrong reasons. And these behaviours are the ones reported in the media. consequently, they may give a bring their sport into disrepute, i.e. McEnroe, Lance Armstrong, etc. But there are lots of really great sports people who redeem their sports for what it is. Skills, hard work, dedication and honour. Hopefully, people are smart enough to know the difference. But who can take their eyes away from a train wreck . right?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Just....lol - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'lilyorchid' Quoting 'sensualtimestoo' i personally love watching MMA...(female here)as many pointed out before, it's two consenting adults who wish to measure their skills and endurance against one another... if it's not your cup of tea, don't watch it...simple...i have done some martial arts when i was younger...and agree with some others here...running away from a fight in public is the first route most fighters would take...firstly cause that's the fundamental message/rule in most disciplines...and secondly, cause knowing that they could punch the living day light out of the arrogant drunk/high prick who is trying to pick a fight , is good enough... it's one thing having senseless aggression on the streets..quite another to have a fight in the ring..with strict rules, and a mutual willingness to participate...there's an enormous effort that goes into having such a fitness level and skill set, that enables one to even attempt to step in that octagon.... and last but not least...if one has the tendency for violence, or just simply a desire to fight...i would much rather have them release those urges in a controlled environment, with an opponent who is just as eager to be there..with medics and all...then chose to find another outlet, like picking on someone in a bar, simply cause they really feel like punching someone... i respect everybody's opinion though...and can see why some people would disapprove...but i for one have no problem with it...quite the opposite. People who indulge in martial arts or combat sports are not all dickheads as someone mentioned in this thread. Obviously I would say that it just reflects their lack of information or understanding of the sports. It takes lots of time, dedication and sacrifice to attain the level of discipline , mental toughness and fitness to get to the Elite level. With most of the fighters, they would have some ingrained philosophy in fighting, a mental discipline learned from their sensei or trainers, over the years on top of the physical training. These come hand in hand in the forming of a good sportsman. Walking away from a fight is always the first option indeed as your combat skill can be seen as a weapon by the police. You are as good as your school. very much agreed:) and thanks xx
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goldcoastcple69
9 years ago
Australians are so behind the times and backward thinking its embarrasing.For a start, there has never being a death recording in the UFC. Some popular sports in Australia list multiple deaths and injury .Motor racingfootballhang glidingsurfingetcetcThe % of injuries in MMA are very low compared to many other popular sports . You can google the stats theyre availableRugby league is far more voilent, constant injuries and brawling without any protection . UFC is the number one fastest growing sport in the world.Its about time Australia came out of the dark ages and joined the rest of the planet
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'goldcoastcple69' Australians are so behind the times and backward thinking its embarrasing.For a start, there has never being a death recording in the UFC. Some popular sports in Australia list multiple deaths and injury .Motor racingfootballhang glidingsurfingetcetcThe % of injuries in MMA are very low compared to many other popular sports . You can google the stats theyre availableRugby league is far more voilent, constant injuries and brawling without any protection . UFC is the number one fastest growing sport in the world.Its about time Australia came out of the dark ages and joined the rest of the planet I think education is the key in dispersing any long held myths and misconceptions about some sports rather than putting people down. Many years ago, Karate for women is pretty much unheard of and nowadays there is a growing interests in women and the fastest growing segment in the sport. Same as Muay Thai. About 5 years ago, I only train with men or very few women and worst, I only sparred with men as women were scared or tentative about getting bruises or getting major injuries in the sport. Both a negative and positive as for the former, I surely had to put up with testosterone driven aggressive fighting styles of men rather than focus on techniques and they really hurt bad. The pro is that you can punch harder and definitely sharpen you fighting skills with men without fear of bruising them. It is changing and more women are taking up the combat sports as more get into the gym, get fitter and stronger and more confident. They want to experiment with other sports that will push their boundaries and challenge them. I love it specially seeing more mature women on the mat. Alas not a familiar sight yet but the young women are marching in and providing a boost to the sports of karate, Muay Thai, Jui jitsu and boxing. UFC and MMA tournaments and on tv, opens up a lot of doors to other sports, despite some occassional excessive violence in the bouts. I still think there is room for more protective approach to the sports to make it more sustainable sport in the long run. Safety is still paramount.
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RHP User
9 years ago
...your argument doesn't hold a lot of water. The sports you've listed have been around since forever...probably close to a century for some.I could argue that more people have been killed playing golf since the inception of it. That doesn't make golf a more violent and brutal sport than MMA.
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goldcoastcple69
9 years ago
Quoting 'Koolgrey' ...your argument doesn't hold a lot of water. The sports you've listed have been around since forever...probably close to a century for some.I could argue that more people have been killed playing golf since the inception of it. That doesn't make golf a more violent and brutal sport than MMA. ufc began in 1993 thats 22 years worth of fights with over 50 fights per year thats over 1100 fights so far. still...not one death . Formula one for example since there beginning in 1953 to 1959 . over 20 deaths recording. Thats just the first 6 years of formula one. seriously, we could do this all day with every sport almost..if you research and compare the first 22 years of almost every sport you will see there is a huge list of deaths recording. But not for ufc.
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RHP User
9 years ago
think you're comparing apples and oranges.... The biggest point of all is that formula 1 racing, v8 Supercars, golf, cricket, bus riding etc....are sports where the objective ISN'T to deliberately hurt your opponent..... UFC is....if it weren't than the judges would be scoring based upon technique; not the amount of successful blows you can deliver...nor would a KO be considered the grand poo bah of a win..... Don't you think it makes it more about the successful brutality, than the sport, fitness, discipline that so many are quick to promote?? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Stirry' think you're comparing apples and oranges.... The biggest point of all is that formula 1 racing, v8 Supercars, golf, cricket, bus riding etc....are sports where the objective ISN'T to deliberately hurt your opponent..... UFC is....if it weren't than the judges would be scoring based upon technique; not the amount of successful blows you can deliver...nor would a KO be considered the grand poo bah of a win..... Don't you think it makes it more about the successful brutality, than the sport, fitness, discipline that so many are quick to promote?? without the actual physical combat, it's really just combat styled dancing. Look at things like the spectacular wu-shu ompetitions, they go through their routine flinging swords, spears etc and amazing pace and it's incredibly athletic... but at the end of if you don't know whether you watched someone who is great at performing THAT routine or if they could put their stuff into practice, an athletic martial dancer, or a fighter (I don't like karate kata comps for the same reason). I"m glad they're not scoring on technique - judged sports are horribly corrupt - who wants MMA to turn into figure skating? So when Jose Aldo is burying the shin into someones thigh, instead of scoring for on the effect his kick is having, he's deducted points because "The Official Leg Kick requires the fighter to rise onto ball of foot, before extending through A, B, C". How would you even look at "proper technique"? a submission hold from American wrestling mightn't be the same as one in Japanese wrestling and again different to a similar hold in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu which has differences to another jiu jitu. You can't just stop a fighter and ask which one they're going for.
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neapolitan_guy
9 years ago
Taking a little side step from the op, did anyone elso come across the Footy Show Boxing Night on Saturday. I was curious about a few things from this. Male commentators were familar of course ans so comforting, though the central panel host and ring side interviewer were women, is this to soften boxing and make it more acceptable to more people including women or to glamorising the show perhaps. And interesting being on a couple of nights after white ribbon day, couldn't there be a few weeks at least. I"m not trying to draw a long bow between boxing and violence, I get it's a sport and admire their comitment to training and skill development also I grew up watching Jeff Fenech become champ, yet it's still people puching each other just seems to have some irony being so close in mpo. Cheers
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