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No time wasters .....
October 04 2015
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AnnieWhichway
9 years ago
We all had the same info. And no matter what the scenario, we have the right to take ourselves out of the situation. You keep wording your response to justify your words and attitude. You even have a crack at DG and question his man hood? WTF? There are times when a simple " Sorry, i got it all wrong" is all that is required to settle the situation. It may take a real man to say sorry. Ive seen DG apologise when he had it wrong. A real man........
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MysteryMr
9 years ago
Quoting 'Leo_girl' Perhaps not all the info about this kind of no show is in your post and you may have followed what I am about to suggest so my apologies if that is the case. I would not book a hotel/babysitter and go to all the trouble and expense if I had not met someone in person first to determine if we were compatible and had some chemistry. To short cut time wasters in your example 1. after emails make a phone call to determine they are who they say and actually do want to meet (not a fake profile of man posing as a single woman or couple) 2. coffee/drinks meet first to see if there is some attraction 3. a phone call on the day to confirm before booking a hotel/babysitter 4. day of play date a phone call to say you are on the way to meet, is all still going to plan? This is the process I use after some emails back and forth to see what the initial interest level is. At the end of the day if they don't turn up for a coffee/drinks meet or answer your phone calls, you know not to book the hotel/babysitter because they will be a no show ...save your dollars or change your plans and go to the movies instead! Just a suggestion but works for me. LG LG - I couldn't agree more, and that is my process too. :-) The story was from someone I met, and the point was that many people put it on their profile in frustration and it shouldn't be treated as a big deal. I still think its pointless as time wasters are time wasters no matter whats on your profile. Myst
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Seachange
9 years ago
I cant believe you would put the blame on Bonita for being 'flaky', ie changing her mind. As Mischievous Lad said, and I totally concur, A NO is a NO. Why can't some men accept that and move on? We do have the right to change our mind. I have done it on a few occasions and have exercised my right to do so, regardless of reason. Most of the time, it is the other person's deceit of misrepresenting himself to me or his misbehavior during a meet, prior to any play. Homework? Sshhh! We all do some vetting of the other person, to a degree we feel is necessary before inviting the other person into our space. That accusation of Bonita of being callous for NOT 'doing her homework' borders on arrogance and lacking in empathy. Bad form in my opinion. You can only do so much legwork before a meet and the cunning ones do get away with it to a degree. It is not common for men and women to say whatever they believe can 'seal the deal' , to get what they want. There lies the problem. what do you expect to be done in the homework? Police check? Psychological report? A physical test result? Whatever her reason for changing her mind for a play, it is her right. Homework or no homework, as you put it.
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RHP User
9 years ago
changed my mind even half way through a couple of encounters, when it just wasn't good, wasn't happening or the body and person were grossing me out, I realised if I continued, it would be hooker behavior and I just couldn't go on. And though this might sound bad, I'm not the one who misrepresented myself so why should I feel bad about it and not be able to exercise my right to say NO even at that point. It doesn't matter when you say no, that's it, it's all over, we're here for fun, if we're not having or going to have fun, that's it, and sorry, not forgetting the safety aspect of course. I more often than not spend a lot of time filtering and screening, establishing trust, as I'm sure happened here, but they are very good at deceiving. Can I also make a point here that men ALWAYS lie about their age and penis size, as a bare minimum, not to mention body shape, and a lot of women do too. Okay, well not always, but most do lie in my experience. Is it just me or do any tell the truth, not in my experience. Some of them are 5-10 years older than they say, which from my end wouldn't matter if they were saying they were 25 and they're actually 35 but if they're saying they're 39 and they're actuall 49, tha'ts a problem for me. Okay okay, I know I'm older but at least I don't try to conceal that. and when lying about the age, the way they look can, and most times has, changed significantly, what you are confronted with might be an 'older' or 'more weathered' or 'not in the gym shape you were expecting', shorter, taller, older, younger, skinnier, larger, seedier, creepier, NO always means NO, Sorry Tall but you screwed up royally with that comment
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RHP User
9 years ago
Shouldn't have said all men lie on here, should have said a large percentage, sorry to the honest ones, just making the point
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Mischeviouslad
9 years ago
Quoting 'Tall_n_Hard' DG, you are not man enough to try and take my "man card" - you don't even measure up to most men on here. You are one of the worst on here to try and guess at other peoples understanding of subjects, yet alone comprehend what's said. Do I really need to simplify my writing to such a basic level for all and sundry to understand - I believed that we are adults here and had a reasonable level of comprehension, which includes understanding of commentary, not just simply reading. Yep.... man card ripped up. Too late to stop that. I did it. And the little ripped up pieces will now be burned after that petulant bit of chest beating of yours. You had a say, and you said it poorly. Which is why EVERYONE has supposedly "misinterpreted or "misunderstood" or "miscomprehended" you. Logic and weight of numbers here..... therefore dictates that there is only ever room for misinterpretation, where the room was created in the first place. Seems unanimous to me, though... that your comments were pretty clear. And you were wrong. Thats .... the way it is, and the way its been pointed out. And as Whateverway has said..... if Im wrong, I'll gladly apologize. Weight of numbers, though........
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'willowtree_2' A male friend was chatting with a lady ( from here) And it got hot and heavy and she invited him to her place, both with the expectation of having sex. Well he got there and she was really drunk, slurring her words and couldnt walk straight. My friend decided he didnt want to get involved with her in that state and told her that he wasnt going to stay, she should go to bed and sleep it off and they could meet up again another time. She wanted him to stay but he said no. Well she got really abusive and started calling him every name under the sun and swore at him as he walked to his car. He had every right to change his mind, just as a woman does. A male friend of mine, a gorgeous fwb, told me a similar story of him refusing a play with a woman here. He did the usual vetting, chat on here and then text, chat on phone ( she seems fine and funny), met for coffee (she dressed ok, nothing fancy sweater, jeans and boots and was short meet but fun). On making second meet for a play, he got to her place and found the place crawling with 5-7 cats, it stunk of urine, dishes piled up in the sink., clothes and underwear on the floor in the lounge and bedroom (can be seen from the lounge). Apparently, the whole house was a 'disaster area'. Obviously, he was turned off at the woman's personal hygiene. He lost his mojo that night and was just not keen to play in a dirty surround in fear of catching anything or stepping on something. I do not blame him. But the point is, he changed his mind, the woman got pissed off as she got all groomed and ready for the night. He did cop a mouthful and he just apologized that he couldnt do it and left. She sent him abusive PM accusing him of being a time-waster and worst, he could not get it up. Tsk, tsk. He felt that telling her the truth about the state of her home would not bid well and just let it slide. Certainly personal hygiene should not be in discussion. He then blocked her when she got abusive in her PM and in chat. He did not name names but I was glad he did not as I dont want to be involved personally in their drama. So it goes both ways. You never know what to expect until you meet someone in their element. I try to limit my expectations to a realistic level to minimise the disappointment.
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RHP User
9 years ago
maybe you are so tall your head is in the clouds .... a simple ... ok got it wrong because of limited info ... and move on! Its a great discussion and thanks for your comments. LG
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RHP User
9 years ago
Pretty much "Time is all we Have" whether someone perceivably is wasting my time or not, i am seriously not stressed by it. We are all communicating adults, able to discern whether someone is right to wrong for you after a very brief time, so time is irrelevant, and comments on profiles in this regard come across as aggressive.B
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm wasting my time here.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Jack_Denials' I'm wasting my time here. Yep, Beer o'clock !
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RHP User
9 years ago
Give a man a beer and he wastes an hour, teach a man how to brew and he wastes a lifetime.
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Single_Guy4U
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Give a man a beer and he wastes an hour, teach a man how to brew and he wastes a lifetime. So how Is that time wasting ? (learning how to craft / brew a great beer)
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madotara69
9 years ago
is of an essence
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' is of an essence Humulus Lupulus
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Wet_Paint' Quoting 'Jack_Denials' I'm wasting my time here. Yep, Beer o'clock ! bitter after taste.Little Creatures...I can't remember how many years ago I last drank one but I still have the See below \/
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Wet_Paint' Quoting 'Jack_Denials' I'm wasting my time here. Yep, Beer o'clock ! bitter after taste.Little Creatures...I can't remember how many years ago I last drank one but I still have the See below \/
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Wet_Paint' Quoting 'Jack_Denials' I'm wasting my time here. Yep, Beer o'clock ! bitter after taste.Little Creatures...I can't remember how many years ago I last drank one but I still have the See below \/
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Give a man a beer and he wastes an hour, teach a man how to brew and he wastes a lifetime. Back in the early Noughties , I was doing the Centrelink experience and reinventing myself career wise. You may or may not recollect from the useless qualifications thread the I'm a qualified microbrewer.The afore mentioned Little Creatures advertised for brewhouse staff, I applied. They re-advertised for staff, I re-applied...after Waitng Awhile I visited them and asked to see the (then) head brewer, he gave me a line about them having replied to all the applicants. It was worth the drive to see him squirm when I called BULLSHIT
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Single_Guy4U' Quoting 'Meander' Give a man a beer and he wastes an hour, teach a man how to brew and he wastes a lifetime. So how Is that time wasting ? (learning how to craft / brew a great beer) See above/\To date i have yet to benefit from the expense and time invested ... I have given up on the idea of gaining paid employment in the brewing industry. If as I suspect ageism was a factor then my prospects are dwindling by the day However for relatively modest sum I will be able to set up a full mash brewery capable of producing a 50 litre batches.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Luckily here in the west we are spoiled for choice !
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RHP User
9 years ago
I have a home made 25litre mash brewery sitting in my garage.
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0z_boy
9 years ago
Ive only ever met one woman from this site, (in my last life here) We had chatted a few times, txt, phone and skyped, but we had never met.I rode 250k to get there, paid $200 for the hotel room, supplied all of the food, mmmm yum, kilo of tiger prawns and $80 worth of assorted seafoods and the grog.Pick her up, 5 minutes into the ride and a hand slides into the front of my bike pants MMmmmm things are lookin good :DGet to the suite kick over the spa, put some music on, crack a bottle of bubbly and start chatting out on the balcony. Half an hour later things are getting continental (Russian hands and Roman fingers) haha Anyways she suddenly gets a little cold and withdrawn then claims she cannot go any further with it stating she had the guilts about the whole thing as she was in the middle of a messy breakup with her hubby.Of course I felt a little disappointed but no is no.She apologised profusely and said how sorry she was about wasting my time and money to which I said "You havent wasted my time or money as I didnt come here to fuck you I came here to meet you and get to know you, had I not felt comfortable with you for whatever reason I would done the same thing,,, and added, LETS GET PISSED INSTEAD! I will have the double, you can slum it in the other room on the single" :PThis seemed to do the trick and within an hour we were rutting like sex crazed weasels in the spa, on the floor, 3 times in the bed and a few times out on the balcony.In between the sex she told me she had only ever met one other guy from this site and had gotten cold feet on that occasion as well, she said the guy went ballistic and she had to flee the scene for her own safety.Next time we met she paid for everything.Moral to the story (this one anyway), no does not always mean no. :)
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Jack_Denials' Quoting 'Single_Guy4U' Quoting 'Meander' Give a man a beer and he wastes an hour, teach a man how to brew and he wastes a lifetime. So how Is that time wasting ? (learning how to craft / brew a great beer) See above/\To date i have yet to benefit from the expense and time invested ... I have given up on the idea of gaining paid employment in the brewing industry. If as I suspect ageism was a factor then my prospects are dwindling by the day However for relatively modest sum I will be able to set up a full mash brewery capable of producing a 50 litre batches. at your place
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RHP User
9 years ago
Wasn't my quote Jack, "they" say it. To keep on topic: "Irony is wasted on the stupid." -Oscar Wilde- :-P
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RHP User
9 years ago
Woke up to this message: "Him: :-\" Me: "That's the worst message I think I've ever received, bar the filthy ones." Him: "Fuck off" Ok then... Charming. Dont know what caused the first message, since he actually met all my requirements. I love it when someone shows their true colours right away and doesn't waste my time. :-D
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RHP User
9 years ago
I got one yesterday that said"what size are your breasts".(no hello, thats not important) dude you can see in my pic they aint big. So I wrote back Double D
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social_suicide
9 years ago
I'm hoping that I have this right....the guy just sent you a Smiley. You know I'm a massive fan of your self proclaimed positivism and how you never let negativity into your life. So I was a little disappointed to see you treat someone (who was just giving you a friendly wink) so harshly...... very out of character. We get quite a few friendly winks and always respond politely, if the profile suites us like it did you we see it as harmless ladish way to open up a conversation. A wink is very Australian, perhaps you have never been winked at before?? Anyway I look forward to more of your positive contributions......lol.
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social_suicide
9 years ago
"I love it when someone shows their true colours right away and doesn't waste my time. :-D".......you know I'm a huge fan of irony......and that poor guy is thinking the same thing......that's the ironical part btw......I've learnt that you really have to speak clearly here because I really don't want to be misunderstood or taken out of context..... not that I'm suggesting you would because you are a super nice person.....but others might.
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RHP User
9 years ago
ROFPMSL N
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RHP User
9 years ago
No N
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RHP User
9 years ago
It wasn't a smiley, but a frowny/scowling face like this one 😒, couldn't quite get it right on my laptop. That's what was odd. Keep practising the sarcasm, you're getting better 😘
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RHP User
9 years ago
...people who say that they have no interest in time 'waisters'. They're the ones that I like the best!!!
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RHP User
9 years ago
...Whoever says sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, clearly isn't very good at it : )
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social_suicide
9 years ago
Oh so it could have been that the guy pressed the wrong emoticon and hit sent. So you didn't think to ask what "what was that?" seeing it looked odd. It is unusual for you to go for the throat which is why I was disappointed that you were so negative...... very out of character.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Koolgrey' ...Whoever says sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, clearly isn't very good at it : ) I posted a pic with a near identical quote on Fb only yesterday. SS, it really only works when it's not obvious to everybody you're bullshitting, a waste of time otherwise.Maybe practice on Wet Paint, he really gets the sarcasm thing. Good luck.
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'Wet_Paint' I have a home made 25litre mash brewery sitting in my garage. I love a good brew.. on my last trip to perth, i made the sojourn to the Little Creatures brewery in Freo... Ahhh. Nice. But i also love my Coopers. Ah. malty Coopers.
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Single_Guy4U
9 years ago
Quoting 'lilyorchid' Quoting 'Wet_Paint' I have a home made 25litre mash brewery sitting in my garage. I love a good brew.. on my last trip to perth, i made the sojourn to the Little Creatures brewery in Freo... Ahhh. Nice. But i also love my Coopers. Ah. malty Coopers. Would that be Quade Cooper or Matt Cooper
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'Single_Guy4U' Quoting 'lilyorchid' Quoting 'Wet_Paint' I have a home made 25litre mash brewery sitting in my garage. I love a good brew.. on my last trip to perth, i made the sojourn to the Little Creatures brewery in Freo... Ahhh. Nice. But i also love my Coopers. Ah. malty Coopers. Would that be Quade Cooper or Matt Cooper Bradley Cooper.
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RHP User
9 years ago
...the king of Aussie beers, and still Australian owned. I'm proud to support them. I got back in town today and am downing some of my homebrew now. Strong stuff...just the way I like it. Tomorrow I'm going to get a stout on the go...with licorice, coffee and heaps of sugar! 😈😆
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RHP User
9 years ago
It's the brewers holy grail to produce a beer which widely appeals to women.
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Insomnian
9 years ago
Used to do a pretty good meal as well. Haven't been there in ages, so do not know if that's still the case.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Jack_Denials' It's the brewers holy grail to produce a beer which widely appeals to women. I don't actually drink beer, with the exception of Corona off ice with lime which I love on a hot day For a beer to appeal to me, it would have to have a tongue, pecs, arms/fingers, mouth, lips and other said tools. I'd like my beer to be interactive. Can you invent one like that, you'd make an absolute fortune, we'd be coming to your parties on your luxury ocean cruiser, you'd be flying us in by helicopter
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rupamohan
9 years ago
No time wasters, I will block you etc.. are useless warnings simply because the intended audience will ignore it. The non intended will see negativity in it. Warning should be only if something is really bugging you all the time. It has to be right at the beginning assuming people read at least first sentence. Preferably objective warning for example a measure of time when you expect something to happen. The funniest warnings I have come across is "I can stand lies"....effectively means you can't stand anybody including yourself.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I guess as long as you explain what you mean there should be no problem putting it on your profile. My understanding would be someone who spends time arranging to meet with you, possibly several times but never actually follows through with the meeting. if you are unwilling to meet in real life you should put this on your profile. Being shy can only go so far.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Agreed!
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Koolgrey' ...the king of Aussie beers, and still Australian owned. I'm proud to support them. I got back in town today and am downing some of my homebrew now. Strong stuff...just the way I like it. Tomorrow I'm going to get a stout on the go...with licorice, coffee and heaps of sugar! 😈😆 Sugar just makes alcohol which may kill your yeast unless you get a specialist high alcohol strain which are plentiful. The Kilo of sucre in a normal homebrew mix is plenty, if you want more guts to a stout add malt extract or do a mini mash with 1.1 kilo of malted grain (google it).OMG, dare we start a home brew thread ?
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Jack_Denials' It's the brewers holy grail to produce a beer which widely appeals to women. I made Lilly Pilly beer (Riberry) for my wedding, sensational, and it was a light mauve in colour. (I used very pale wind malts)
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Wet_Paint' Quoting 'Koolgrey' ...the king of Aussie beers, and still Australian owned. I'm proud to support them. I got back in town today and am downing some of my homebrew now. Strong stuff...just the way I like it. Tomorrow I'm going to get a stout on the go...with licorice, coffee and heaps of sugar! 😈😆 Sugar just makes alcohol which may kill your yeast unless you get a specialist high alcohol strain which are plentiful. The Kilo of sucre in a normal homebrew mix is plenty, if you want more guts to a stout add malt extract or do a mini mash with 1.1 kilo of malted grain (google it).OMG, dare we start a home brew thread ? why not start a home brew thread just for something different. Looking forward to it.Lilly Pilly brew sounds interesting, let's hear more about that.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Ok guys, I'm all for the home-brew thread too...but I don't want to hi-jack this one. Wet_Paint, if you'll do the honours...?
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0z_boy
9 years ago
Quoting 'Koolgrey' Ok guys, I'm all for the home-brew thread too...but I don't want to hi-jack this one. Wet_Paint, if you'll do the honours...? Ill drink to fuckin anything :S :D :P
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'vampavibe' Quoting 'Wet_Paint' Quoting 'Koolgrey' ...the king of Aussie beers, and still Australian owned. I'm proud to support them. I got back in town today and am downing some of my homebrew now. Strong stuff...just the way I like it. Tomorrow I'm going to get a stout on the go...with licorice, coffee and heaps of sugar! 😈😆 Sugar just makes alcohol which may kill your yeast unless you get a specialist high alcohol strain which are plentiful. The Kilo of sucre in a normal homebrew mix is plenty, if you want more guts to a stout add malt extract or do a mini mash with 1.1 kilo of malted grain (google it).OMG, dare we start a home brew thread ? why not start a home brew thread just for something different. Looking forward to it.Lilly Pilly brew sounds interesting, let's hear more about that. Done.
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RHP User
9 years ago
We don't have it on our profile, but we have had quite a few times now, where we have arranged to meet people and they cancel at the last minute.....which is fine, as we understand things do happen, but when it is your 2nd, 3rd attempt at trying to meet, it does get annoying and all it says to us is that you are not yet ready to meet and you need to be honest about it. Afterall, for us swinging is about being honest and open about who you are and what you are about. To me initially, I thought it assured us of a definite meeting, but sadly we found one couple with this on their profile, who then proceeded to muck us around trying to organise to meet, and it became apparent we were a backup date if the other fell through. There will always be those that are just dipping their toes into the water and those that don't show or cancel for what ever reason. Like all profiles, nothing can be assured really until you meet, and then you see some profiles are constructed by car salesmen, and others as genuine who we are profiles.
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RHP User
9 years ago
it seem strange that people enter the site (not sure about the women, but men have to pay) for people to the spend time playing games, you either want to be on here or you dont. I too hate being stuffed around, chatting for a while then no contact, maybe organise a meeting then nothing, come on people get real, either do the right thing and connect withe people or get a life and go somewhere else to waste time.
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Mischeviouslad
9 years ago
I get the point you're making, but the manner in which you made it left room for misinterpretation. This isn't Fight Club. Just as in the real world beyond RHP, people can and are free to change their minds at any time.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Like Fight Club not everyone here is real... ;-)
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RHP User
9 years ago
I agree Sally. Happened to me tonight actually. It was amazing last night we chatted everything was too easy and we both liked each other and then boom no message with her address. WTF ? Why go to all that trouble if your not gonna meet someone. Beyond me :((
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'Nathan6fs' I agree Sally. Happened to me tonight actually. It was amazing last night we chatted everything was too easy and we both liked each other and then boom no message with her address. WTF ? Why go to all that trouble if your not gonna meet someone. Beyond me :(( that is very common on here.. some people (both men and women) like to dangle the carrot but never feed the bunny. There are some men who will contact women and make promises to meet, call, etc and never had any intention of really meeting. all talk. And the same goes for women. Hence we all should manage expectations. Mark these people in the 'No Go' basket, and move on. there are so many good and sexy people around so why waste anymore energy on them. Right?
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RHP User
9 years ago
I love it when you talk dirty...
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Seachange
9 years ago
Quoting 'Jack_Denials' I love it when you talk dirty... A lovely metaphor, isnt it?
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Mischeviouslad
9 years ago
Quoting 'Nathan6fs' I agree Sally. Happened to me tonight actually. It was amazing last night we chatted everything was too easy and we both liked each other and then boom no message with her address. WTF ? Why go to all that trouble if your not gonna meet someone. Beyond me :(( Perhaps..... you wrote something that was a turn off. Or a red flag. Maybe they weren't who they said they were (plenty of that inhere)Or maybe..... they just changed their mind. One thing I noted in your comment, though...... was that you didn't speak to them on the phone. Fatal flaw. Until you do that..... people on a screen.... could be just about anybody.... and those thoughts you've been having of doing wicked wicked things to a photo, and emails.... really lack the confirmation of reality. DG
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RHP User
9 years ago
God damn! I can relate to everyone's comments but that's my problem!! I really am time poor! I really am a single mum in her early 40's that works full time and have predominantly full time care of two teenage kids! They are my world and my life and come first above all else! However, that does not mean I'm not I sexual being and if I commit to meeting you, I will! To be left standing alone at packed bar or coffee shop at the last minute is unacceptable in my eyes! It's not hard, even for the time poor to be polite! A simple heads up to say I'm nervous, unsure, maybe but maybe not can save someone feelings and a whole lot of frustration.......
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RHP User
9 years ago
Ppl that flirt don't call or txt - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
People who think they are wasting their time here and close their profiles their messages from your mailbox. There's one beautiful girl who will be missed, by at least. I hope my is good enough to remember her address.
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RHP User
9 years ago
their messages disappear...
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'GcFitFunPvteDom' Ppl that flirt don't call or txt - Posted from rhpmobile Just read this, firstly I couldn't imagine any woman not contacting you, very nice , but flirting aside lol, are you aware that guests can't view your number in your profile, when we click on it, a prompt comes up to upgrade (sorry if someone else has already said this, I haven't read all the post here) Hate being a guest. I looked at my bank balance the other day, and though not especially great, thought stuff it, I can't stand it anymore, started to go through the process to upgrade and then common sense took over and I didn't Pouting again now. I was looking forward to seeing all the pretty pictures
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'I_touch_myself2' Just read this, firstly I couldn't imagine any woman not contacting you, very nice , but flirting aside lol, are you aware that guests can't view your number in your profile, when we click on it, a prompt comes up to upgrade (sorry if someone else has already said this, I haven't read all the post here) Hate being a guest. I looked at my bank balance the other day, and though not especially great, thought stuff it, I can't stand it anymore, started to go through the process to upgrade and then common sense took over and I didn't Pouting again now. I was looking forward to seeing all the pretty pictures I don't understand the common sense part .... if you want to see, just do it .... why deny yourself? I enjoy the view and I am sure you will too. LG
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