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Alpha Males
January 02 2015
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
Quoting 'Missb72' I'm an INTJ Pretty rare apparently I knew this was why you thought I am sooooooo sexually fricken hotttt....
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RHP User
10 years ago
Also entitled to your opinion . Nothing to do with being full of themselves in the slightest .. just that they enjoy being the only ones to bring so much pleasure to their lovers and really , someone that's experienced that from an alpha male would rarely stray from that to the point where they feel the need for several lovers like some . Only can speak of my experience and my opinion which i did . As for people who aren't clearly alpha in your eyes , just because people get told they are alpha or share the same traits - doesn't exactly make them not an alpha either because you say so .. not sure where you were going with that one but lol . To be honest , i never even knew alpha females were existent as silly as that may seem .. until i looked it up aha . Doesn't neccessarily mean i agree with what my friends , or people who know me etc say either . I myself , think things get far too tied up to terminology and as a result , alot of opinions , not just mine .. get taken out of context . Can only get feedback from what I've been told .. which is pretty much what the general population goes by . Clearly others see that in me but , once again doesn't mean i agree wholly .
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RHP User
10 years ago
If anyone can clarify .. even if someone was an alpha ( either male or female ) .. what's so bad about that anyhow ? Also why do people seem so quick to shoot apparent alphas down - in regard to an alpha male vs non alpha male .. and vice versa with alpha females .. vs non alpha females .. !? Is that also classed as being insecure in oneself and own abilities and / or shortcomings .. ???? I'm honestly confused on this one . I've noticed a few of the female posters seem quick to try and shoot me down as i have ( just like every one else ) a defined view - and opinion of what an alpha male and female . This seems to mistaken for bragging in terms of me posting about others calling me one - and that in my opinion - seems to be pretty immature and insecure if anything .. its actually interesting to see so many digs at "insecurity" especially as i think those posts pretty much speak volumes on your own behalf !? Anyhow it was an interesting topic to post OP . So many varying views and such heated debate lol .
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
Hurt people try to hurt people!
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RHP User
10 years ago
Best post yet.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Hmmm I consider myself an Alpha Male, I'm confident, know what I want and go get it and speak I my mind most the time. Part Wickapedia explanation; Alphas may achieve their status by means of superior physical prowess and/or through social efforts and building alliances within the group. The position of alpha also changes in some species, usually through a physical fight between a dominant and subordinate animal. Such fights may or may not be to the death, with relevant behavior varying between circumstance and species. Hmm in other words a "strong character" - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
So far in the 7 years in the swinging scene I have not yet met a Alpha male on this and similar sites. Come on girls, there are plenty of alphas in popular media, why are you not giving examples. I can think of one. George Clooney seems to be one. I don't know much about him, but defiantly an alpha in my view. You laddies must know a few more.??
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RHP User
10 years ago
A definition of alpha males/females is as follows: In social animals, the alpha is the individual in the community with the highest rank. Male or female individuals or both can be alphas, depending on their species. Where one male and one female fulfill this role, they are referred to as the alpha pair. Other animals in the same social group may exhibit deference or other symbolic signs of respect particular to their species towards the alpha or alphas.In hierarchical social animals, alphas usually gain preferential access to food and other desirable items or activities, though the extent of this social effect varies widely by species. Male and/or female alphas may gain preferential access to sex or mates, and in some species only alphas or an alpha pair is permitted to reproduce.Alphas may achieve their status by means of superior physical prowess and/or through social efforts and building alliances within the group.[1]The position of alpha also changes in some species, usually through a physical fight between a dominant and subordinate animal. Such fights may or may not be to the death, with relevant behavior varying between circumstance and species. So I don't believe an alpha male can be submissive. xxx
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On_Safari
10 years ago
I'm an ENFJ, guess that makes me common. However when an ENFJ is present, no matter what the product or mission, the people involved will be important and the human dynamic will be made a central part of the process.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' So far in the 7 years in the swinging scene I have not yet met a Alpha male on this and similar sites. Come on girls, there are plenty of alphas in popular media, why are you not giving examples. I can think of one. George Clooney seems to be one. I don't know much about him, but defiantly an alpha in my view. You laddies must know a few more.?? George Clooney? Well I had not thought of him as an alpha male but come to think of it I can't imagine him "following" anyone else. He has so much charm and presence that is for sure. And now he has the perfect wife so that they can be the new Jack and Jackie Kennedy. Think he will ever run for Presidency? I think maybe he will.
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RHP User
10 years ago
definition of a Alpha in our society is: A male who has a strong positive mental capacity. A male which doesn't have to show he is physically in control he just oozes out a power without being threatening to others. He is a male who has a aura of leadership without a macho behavior, people don't even know why they follow him, and he has this followers from both genders. He doesn't pussyfoot around people who play games, because he can see through them quite easerly, he doesn't need worship or kissing arse, he just is a strong mental person.
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RHP User
10 years ago
something else. Alpha in my opinion has nothing to do with the bedroom
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67'Come on girls, there are plenty of alphas in popular media, why are you not giving examples. I can think of one. George Clooney seems to be one. I don't know much about him, but defiantly an alpha in my view. You laddies must know a few more.?? See... thats just the point BM. In your view.... and views are subjective. I tend to not contemplate who is, or isn't alpha.... but society does tend to artificially elevate people win public profile.You said you don't "know much about him"..... and that kind of proves the point Im making. DG
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
win = with. Damn edit function please!!!!
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madotara69
10 years ago
Bob Marley "Lets get together and feel alright, oh yeah I wanna love yu, every day and every night"
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Seachange
10 years ago
Quoting 'blondie46' A definition of alpha males/females is as follows: In social animals, the alpha is the individual in the community with the highest rank. Male or female individuals or both can be alphas, depending on their species. Where one male and one female fulfill this role, they are referred to as the alpha pair. Other animals in the same social group may exhibit deference or other symbolic signs of respect particular to their species towards the alpha or alphas.In hierarchical social animals, alphas usually gain preferential access to food and other desirable items or activities, though the extent of this social effect varies widely by species. Male and/or female alphas may gain preferential access to sex or mates, and in some species only alphas or an alpha pair is permitted to reproduce.Alphas may achieve their status by means of superior physical prowess and/or through social efforts and building alliances within the group.[1]The position of alpha also changes in some species, usually through a physical fight between a dominant and subordinate animal. Such fights may or may not be to the death, with relevant behavior varying between circumstance and species. So I don't believe an alpha male can be submissive. xxx hmmm. Don't believe everything that is published in one report or article. Do your research, cast a wider net to check your info before settling into a conclusion... You know the saying about don't put all your eggs in the same basket? but of course you are entitled to your opinion. Cheers...
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On_Safari
10 years ago
Simple and brilliant.
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RHP User
10 years ago
It is not entirely subjective. I picked a name out of my head, thought his image is a carefully managed media business he does posses an aura of likability that is a fundamental requirement for an alpha. If you are to be at the top of the pecking order you need to be liked. I have never been in his presence so would not really know, but it hard to imagine him as shy and withdrawn, nor does he strike me as excessively arrogant, another trait that is not part of the alphas personality. Its hard to find them but a few more that I would classify as alpha. You don't have to agree, and its not about whether you like them or not. These are people that I think enter a room and everyone knows that they are there, that is part of what an alpha is. Leaders.Bill Clinton,Robert Menzies,Douglas MacArthur, Adventure/SportEdmund Hillary,Muhammad Ali, HistoryGeorge Washington,George Westinghouse,Winston Churchill, ActorsBruce Willis,Sean Connery, I have just picked them from the top of my head. But all have that unmistakable quality of presence, without the over powering and unlikable ego that some have. Ego destroys an alpha. Some more indicators and behavioral traits of Alphas. • He's never uncomfortable with eye contact, and will never break it first.• He'll unapologetically interrupt conversations or monologues.• When anyone in the group makes a significant statement, everyone in the group will look to the alpha male for his response.• He freely touches others in the group, without expressed or implied permission.• He will do most everything slowly and with deliberation. If the doorbell rings, he might finish his drink before answering it. If the phone rings, he is in no rush to answer.• He holds the conversation's subject and direction, despite others attempts to change the channel.• When walking in a group of men, the alpha male will generally go first, he takes the lead.• He'll show no sign of nervousness. No high-chest breathing, no fidgeting.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Clint Eastwood
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'AUS_PlayTime' An Alpha is... well to me they are an ENTJ on the Briggs Myer personality type. 2% of general population, 3% of males. 1% of females. They are... rare and very interesting creatures indeed. I think I am married to one. Um it seems I'm an INFJ...very rare less than 1% of the population...I always knew I was different.Maybe that's why I took some time to get happy in my own skin???
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
DGs got it - It's subjective. It has to be subjective - it's all perception. Blindie sums it well too where he says he has never met George Clooney so he wouldn't know for sure. Put these two statements together and the result is.... A subjective opinion on someone you have met. I do see Posts in here where members are running off "what others have told them". ahhhhh Not sure if subjective opionion on someone else's subjective opionion about people they may have not met equates to fuck all but its very unlikely to yield a reliable result, (hear say * hear say) rather telling actually.
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Plain
10 years ago
Peter BrockJames HuntAyrton SennaIn motor racing, you can also add in Alan Prost, Keke Rosberg an exciting driver talked the alpha bit bit never a true Alpha.In Aust people think Packer I dont too many flaws in character make up, met the big fella in person and used his perceived power to bully his way to beating people down, some of us are too block headed to fall for it and then he can turn on the charm and then a different character altogether and very briefly a friend.Paul Keating ok ok lots of flaws.An ALPHA male in the RHP world not me thats for sure. However in certain sectors of life they exist because they are at the top of THEIR chosen specialty not necessarily their human qualities. Which may have the proverbial hidden issue as in some one like Berlosconi for instance. Fascinating subject you have here. All these Alpha men listed have certain submissive behaviours in real life.
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RHP User
10 years ago
A French bloke called Loick Peyron. Solo and team sailor.
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madotara69
10 years ago
Mike Myers and his mojo: The Spy Who Shagged Me documentary, second best to the Croods
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Some more indicators and behavioral traits of Alphas. • He'll unapologetically interrupt conversations or monologues.• When anyone in the group makes a significant statement, everyone in the group will look to the alpha male for his response.• He will do most everything slowly and with deliberation. If the doorbell rings, he might finish his drink before answering it. If the phone rings, he is in no rush to answer.• He holds the conversation's subject and direction, despite others attempts to change the channel. Those same behaviours would apply to Homer Simpson. So..... still subjective. LOL
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RHP User
10 years ago
In the wild, an alpha male can and does appear to completely submit to his equal partner but I don't think of it in terms of dominance and/or submission at all. I see it as being more of a balanced equilibrium of sorts.
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madotara69
10 years ago
Tara just agreed..."equilibrium is her favourite word, she loves the way it looks, it sounds and all what it means".
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
Alpha = a subjective perception about someone who they have met?......... This will be fucking interesting.
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
Quoting 'KiwiBred' In the wild, an alpha male can and does appear to completely submit to his equal partner but I don't think of it in terms of dominance and/or submission at all. I see it as being more of a balanced equilibrium of sorts. That is an incredibly interesting concept, and believe me I shall really ponder it....for specific reasons too.....Sure I can google it, but where did you find that quote/data?..... Oh and btw I am totally aware there is massive exponential ridicule about people who " promote / perceive / indicate subtly / mention / insinuate "that they themselves are Alpha & don't give two fucks.... [ Well not about the ensuing ridicule for what ive just said at least :-) /// yes DG I know you care less than I ]
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
Quoting 'SensualAries' Quoting 'KiwiBred' In the wild, an alpha male can and does appear to completely submit to his equal partner but I don't think of it in terms of dominance and/or submission at all. I see it as being more of a balanced equilibrium of sorts. That is an incredibly interesting concept, and believe me I shall really ponder it....for specific reasons too.....Sure I can google it, but where did you find that quote/data?..... Oh and btw I am totally aware there is massive exponential ridicule about people who " promote / perceive / indicate subtly / mention / insinuate "that they themselves are Alpha & don't give two fucks.... [ Well not about the ensuing ridicule for what ive just said at least :-) /// yes DG I know you care less than I ] ok ive ponder it, so im betting you were the [ submissive in the above context only ] ?????....and now that I bet ive guessed it.....What happened ?
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madotara69
10 years ago
Some things one can only know and not be told. I have a good friend who it has been a privilege to kick around with over years. He is the best in the world at what he does professionally, not by my words or perception, the authors of the industry have written it, I have seen it, you too it is likely. He tirelessly travels from one call to the next with friends So many it is hard to contemplate, he fixes problems, looks after widowed friends in grief, involved in charity events, I bare witness to the aura he has amongst people who adore his company, Tara loves him to death too, his wife and kids, He is a tall kind man that looks like a maniac, thousands I kid you not, love this man of all walks with respect, he has touched them all one way or another, even the tough guys. Never met anyone else with such drive, I can only show admiration in his footsteps and be proud to have been such a small part in it. I must show respect for what it all means. Would not know what he is like at rooting, he does not do much of it, keeps it all for his wife and that is something of a kind. Different here with the BDSM meanings, not to be forsaken though is my perception. Fucking interesting question though.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Mischeviouslad'Those same behaviours would apply to Homer Simpson. So..... still subjective. LOL There is nothing at all subjective about it. Subjective is the taste of a good wine, or what one finds attractive. I quantified traits , there is no ambiguity at all, they common to people with confidence. It does not mean all people with these traits are alphas or that all alphas require these traits. You don't get to pick the defined attributes to suit your own needs, we live in a society and to make it function we share common meanings, definitions, and understood attributes to aid the process of cooperation and understanding. Alpha males are clearly defined. We all want to be alphas, who wouldn't, but few are. It does not detract from the individual if you are not alpha. And I have to say, you certainly are making an art of fence sitting. Alphas are also cool, as in Fonzie type cool... Ya!
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' Some things one can only know and not be told. I have a good friend who it has been a privilege to kick around with over years. He is the best in the world at what he does professionally, not by my words or perception, the authors of the industry have written it, I have seen it, you too it is likely. He tirelessly travels from one call to the next with friends So many it is hard to contemplate, he fixes problems, looks after widowed friends in grief, involved in charity events, I bare witness to the aura he has amongst people who adore his company, Tara loves him to death too, his wife and kids, He is a tall kind man that looks like a maniac, thousands I kid you not, love this man of all walks with respect, he has touched them all one way or another, even the tough guys. Never met anyone else with such drive, I can only show admiration in his footsteps and be proud to have been such a small part in it. I must show respect for what it all means. Would not know what he is like at rooting, he does not do much of it, keeps it all for his wife and that is something of a kind. Different here with the BDSM meanings, not to be forsaken though is my perception. Fucking interesting question though. Yep mate it would be very inspiring to have met and known such an individual.....And I believe you did do him justice.......
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' Some things one can only know and not be told.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'SensualAries' Quoting 'KiwiBred' In the wild, an alpha male can and does appear to completely submit to his equal partner but I don't think of it in terms of dominance and/or submission at all. I see it as being more of a balanced equilibrium of sorts. That is an incredibly interesting concept, and believe me I shall really ponder it....for specific reasons too.....Sure I can google it, but where did you find that quote/data?..... ... but there is no quote or data to speak of. It popped into my head reading Meeka questioning 'if an alpha male can ever be truly submissive'. When I think of the term 'alpha male', pack hierarchy (in the wild) comes to mind, as does dominance and submission. I see that, but I see it as being more of a balanced equilibrium of sorts as well - even more so (or especially) with regards to the alpha male and his equal partner.
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RHP User
10 years ago
We've moved beyond the idea of the bully as an alpha. It is obviously very subjective, which is why outside of the animal kingdom (or times when the human race behaved similarly), I've never found the term particularly relevant. I personally though equate it with leadership. Not the faux leaders I mentioned in a previous post, but those who actually inspire others to follow without a huge effort or the motivation of extrinsic reward. That inspiration can come from ideas, acts, or from being top of a difficult game (although that in itself is never enough). The important part for my mind is that leadership is not the end game. That rules out the absolute majority of politicians and businessmen. I'm not sure many of the names mentioned qualify, but without meeting them (or at least more research) it's hard to know. In politics first to mind would be Martin Luther King, in sport it would be Muhammad Ali. But I don't know for sure if privately they were insecure dudes who took out their frustrations on their wives. Like DG I'm skeptical of the most recent list Blindman. I've not known a true leader that's keen to walk in front of the pack all the time, but I've known plenty of wannabes that are. The natural leader walks at his own pace with little regard to what's happening around him. It's entirely possible however that I'm talking about a different concept than what many others perceive as alpha. And we still have no idea how many of these mythical creatures like to be bent over for Meeka's strap on occasionally.
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madotara69
10 years ago
Meeka is not the only one, she has them all wanting a Fckn go at it. Joan Of Ark comes to mind.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Sociologist say that about 2-3% of males are alphas, about 1 in 50 which sits well with ideal size of human social groups. So I name a few widely admired people of various walks of life an the deniers can not bring them selves to agree. This is preposterous, there are millions on millions of alphas, and this thread cant even agree that known leaders are Alphas. Alphas are not gods, they do not have magical powers, they are just humans. I would speculate that there are too many egos being confronted, and that the denial of the existence of any alphas is nothing but a defensive response in the name of vanity.That is not the action of Alphas. You don't have to like these people but they have all achieved greatness. Walking ahead of the pack is a metaphor. The leader leads when the need arises, we all know which people they are in every pack, they make the first move. They are the courage that the rest follow. Nothing happens when there is no motion to start something challenging. We need alphas. Mado gave a good description of the classic Alpha. Every one likes the alpha, that is how they lead. Alphas have ego but their egos are grounded and they are expert social manipulators I also know the type of person Mado describes. He is always busy, he is always helping, he knows people all over the world, he seldom ever stops. Always working for charities, but always has time for the individual and those in need. He starts things that if left to others remain just ideas. He is an expert motivator and leads by example. Blondie46 quoted the definitive animal definition of the alpha. That is what an alpha is tempered with sociological human culture needs. The need to fight is no longer required as we are past the struggle of survival. I named names in the hope that others would come up with a few names. most have and I agree they are all alphas. So what is holding the alpha deniers back, is it vanity, or stubbornness? But this is just a thread, the debate is going in circles and there is only so many ways i can reiterate the same argument, so now i am just stirring the pot.
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RHP User
10 years ago
after reading more what you all wrote. Would it be right to say.................I mean we are talking about humans and not animals. That each society......judges the Alpha on a different merit? And can we really subject our ideas of an Aplha to the Australian male today, or do we have ideas from long, long time in our mind what a Alpha should be??? The definition is subjective, yes very much so. Now when we turn this around....can we really call a female a Alpha or would she be a "Goddess" under all this other simple creatures?
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RHP User
10 years ago
I think Alpha can change with the situation and environment at hand, an Alpha in the office may not be the Alpha on a cattle station or the football field. They will still be an Alpha, but will defer to the "local Knowledge".I also believe Alphas subconsciously acknowledge and respect each other.
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On_Safari
10 years ago
I don't recall saying in any of my posts bullying, abs or arrogance were traits of an alpha male. Anyway agree with Kiwibred's viewpoint and equilibrium is a sexy word. Can't believe this topic is still going 😳
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Quoting 'SimonDoes' We've moved beyond the idea of the bully as an alpha. It is obviously very subjective, which is why outside of the animal kingdom (or times when the human race behaved similarly), I've never found the term particularly relevant. I personally though equate it with leadership. Not the faux leaders I mentioned in a previous post, but those who actually inspire others to follow without a huge effort or the motivation of extrinsic reward. That inspiration can come from ideas, acts, or from being top of a difficult game (although that in itself is never enough). The important part for my mind is that leadership is not the end game. That rules out the absolute majority of politicians and businessmen. I'm not sure many of the names mentioned qualify, but without meeting them (or at least more research) it's hard to know. In politics first to mind would be Martin Luther King, in sport it would be Muhammad Ali. But I don't know for sure if privately they were insecure dudes who took out their frustrations on their wives. Like DG I'm skeptical of the most recent list Blindman. I've not known a true leader that's keen to walk in front of the pack all the time, but I've known plenty of wannabes that are. The natural leader walks at his own pace with little regard to what's happening around him. It's entirely possible however that I'm talking about a different concept than what many others perceive as alpha. And we still have no idea how many of these mythical creatures like to be bent over for Meeka's strap on occasionally. Not only is it subjective.... but it evolves.... therefore proving its subjectivity. People like to quantify alpha traits... typically comparing those back to social animals... such as dominance, strength, attitude etc.... but... we are not gorillas... and guys who act like gorillas end up portraying themselves as insecure, bullies and wankers. We are humans.... but even humans aren't consistent. An "alpha/leader" 800 years ago would have presented those traits in a very different way than someone we would consider a alpha/leader would today.... because as society evolves, so to do the benchmarks we use to qualify people. There is no doubt that Genghis Khan was a remarkable leader.He build the most expansive continuous empire in history, uniting very different tribal cultures, promoted religious freedoms, and developed a trade system (even the first postal system). (The Ottomans (Turks) did much the same thing.) But anyone employing those tactics today would simply be referred to... as a narcissistic psychopathic murderer.... like Robert Mugabe. Is Mugabe alpha? By some benchmarks yes... by others..... he is a dark shadow over the history of what was the beautiful country of Zimbabwe. More importantly, as a leader, is he widely respected? Thats the benchmark I'D link to the other alpha traits, because unless someone inspires you to follow them, not threatens you to do so... they're not alpha... Not in this era. DG
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Lovinit28andKC72
10 years ago
Nice to see you..... 😘
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Litonya' after reading more what you all wrote. Would it be right to say.................I mean we are talking about humans and not animals. That each society......judges the Alpha on a different merit? And can we really subject our ideas of an Aplha to the Australian male today, or do we have ideas from long, long time in our mind what a Alpha should be??? The definition is subjective, yes very much so. Now when we turn this around....can we really call a female a Alpha or would she be a "Goddess" under all this other simple creatures? I would argue that the Alpha is very much culturally independent. Natural born leaders are born not created via a process of education, that an introvert is as much a product of genetics as the alpha is. Though culture can filter the process, destroying or enhancing natural talents, but without the right stuff as a foundation you can not be an alpha. There are examples of people in history that have demonstrated that leadership qualities cross cultural lines. We can say that who we call Alpha is subjective, as all labels are. Being called an alpha and being an alpha are independent. We have all met the alphas, we all know their likable characteristics, their optimism, kindness, and drive. These traits transcend culture. The definition leaves no room for ambiguity, or should we just throw all meaning to the wind and adopt our own meanings for labels. Where would that leave us but in a state of constant confusion when meaning is left to the subjective interpretation of individuals. How can we communicate without a central agreed consensus?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Lovinit28' Nice to see you..... 😘 Thanks, I am sneaking in a peek from behind friends..
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RHP User
10 years ago
Without evidence you only make unproven conjecture. Genghis Khan adopted the methods of the time, to say he would not have been accepted now if purely guess work on your part. I know nothing of his history, I could not say if he was an alpha or not. For what little I know is that he commanded the respect of his people, on that I would guess he is an alpha, but without knowing how he got to lead it is but a guess. Alphas are everywhere, they do not need to be leaders in terms of whole nations. They lead social groups, they do not take the role, they are given the role subconsciously. Do not confuse politics with with social roles, they are very different. Leadership requires only the respect of those that want to be lead, there are many leaders in our world and history that were clearly not Alphas. Generally history shows us that such people used force to lead, this is not a trait of an alpha.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Litonya according to my interpretation of the term women can and are qualified. I've known a few, and there's many examples from public life that are possibles. In fact looking at both the government and opposition front benches federally, amongst all the sycophants, psychopaths and self interested careerists, there are a couple of clear standouts that happen to be women. Watch the new girl on the government bench - Sussan Ley, or the ALP's Tanya Plibersek. I've met both and have a lot of respect despite being on the opposing side on both occasions. Joan of Arc and Queen Elizabeth the 1st may qualify based on the more traditional definitions. My great, great, great grandmother Annie Hayes should get a mention - she was the woman pushing the men to take a stand at the Eureka stockade (it's her flag). DG I agree entirely. I like Mado's interpretation and I've known many men who qualify. Blindman I agree for the most part, just not entirely with the list of traits you put forward, many of which could equally apply to pretenders (or Homer Simpson). I'm also skeptical about all of the names put forward, including those I mention, because from a distance a clever psychopath will look just like a leader. That's just me, always a skeptic first.
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Rather than changing semantic goal posts, Blindy.....which proves the argument about subjectivity...... .... its OK.... to say... you're wrong. Its an Alpha trait....
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RHP User
10 years ago
The fact is in my eyes ,,, the male is the stronger species ,,, totally agree with kiwi that it will always come down to mutual respect ,,, in the male species there's all sorts of dominance going on in it's own environment ,,, females will choose accordingly to there desires ,,, but strength comes in a variety of forms as do humans - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
The Alpha is the one who can piss the highest, fartherest, for longer. Pmsl.
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Seachange
10 years ago
Oh dear... I see a few men are still tussing about here trying to better each other and arguing the true values pertaining to an Alpha Male.... competitive much? all your arguments, gentlemen, are beginning to look academic and esoteric. Your audience have fallen asleep and most have walked away elsewhere to get laid and you are still here arguing... Lol... The case of last man standing is Alpha Lion? Hakunamatata. Alfafa Lily
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madotara69
10 years ago
lily, now now, this is the big boys nutting out the meanings. Go rest up with the rest sweet little kitten.
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
The Alpha also needs to be smart enough to know when a soft emotion is optimum action. Only a man who knew what it was to discern a gleam of hope in a hopeless situation . . . could have given emotional reality to the words of defiance which rallied and sustained us in the menacing summer of 1940.... "Winston Churchill."
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' The definition leaves no room for ambiguity, or should we just throw all meaning to the wind and adopt our own meanings for labels. Where would that leave us but in a state of constant confusion when meaning is left to the subjective interpretation of individuals. ... the very "subjective interpretation of individuals" that enrich, inspire, encourage and motivates change?
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madotara69
10 years ago
Annie Hayes, she owns that flag. God love her.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Real men can disagree without calling each other names and getting the topic shut down. What's wrong with a good, slow, mass debate lily?
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
.....we're not even warmed up yet - right gents !
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
what influences and inspires one may not achieve same in others. Thus the Alpha leader uses a wide variety of terms in differing degrees to do such. Almost a precise definition of subjectivity.
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Seachange
10 years ago
Quoting 'SimonDoes' Real men can disagree without calling each other names and getting the topic shut down. What's wrong with a good, slow, mass debate lily? Nothing wrong I agree and a wonderful thing.. Don't get me wrong. I just thought that you Alfalfa Men would be better off ravaging us horny women splayed naked or cavorting in your hallways rather than trying to define and agree upon the absolutes on what constitute an Alpha man... Akin to watching a bunch of men debating cricket in the lounge as we women shrivel in our hotness out in the sun... Lol. but please ignore me.... and the rest of the lioness here as Mado referred to ... we will just have to retire to the corner of the room with our young and play with the pussies... Sheezh, and I thought RHP was a sex site...
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Seachange
10 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' lily, now now, this is the big boys nutting out the meanings. Go rest up with the rest sweet little kitten. Fuck off. Lol.
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madotara69
10 years ago
Fiesty,,, Oh the Devil does fear for his job. (sweeping mane blowing in the breeze)
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'lilyorchid' I just thought that you Alfalfa Men would be better off ravaging us horny women splayed naked or cavorting in your hallways rather than trying to define and agree upon the absolutes on what constitute an Alpha man... Sorry, didn't notice you there, will be right over. Wait, is there beer in the fridge?
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Seachange
10 years ago
Quoting 'SimonDoes' Quoting 'lilyorchid' I just thought that you Alfalfa Men would be better off ravaging us horny women splayed naked or cavorting in your hallways rather than trying to define and agree upon the absolutes on what constitute an Alpha man... Sorry, didn't notice you there, will be right over. Wait, is there beer in the fridge? haha, mado why dont you take Simon with you, wannabees!
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madotara69
10 years ago
If we could be bothered, we might. xx
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
Quoting 'lilyorchid' Quoting 'SimonDoes' Real men can disagree without calling each other names and getting the topic shut down. What's wrong with a good, slow, mass debate lily? Nothing wrong I agree and a wonderful thing.. Don't get me wrong. I just thought that you Alfalfa Men would be better off ravaging us horny women splayed naked or cavorting in your hallways rather than trying to define and agree upon the absolutes on what constitute an Alpha man... Akin to watching a bunch of men debating cricket in the lounge as we women shrivel in our hotness out in the sun... Lol. but please ignore me.... and the rest of the lioness here as Mado referred to ... we will just have to retire to the corner of the room with our young and play with the pussies... Sheezh, and I thought RHP was a sex site... not always a sex site blossoming Orchid, we've not told each other to "fuck" off yet.......
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Quoting 'lilyorchid' I just thought that you Alfalfa Men would be better off ravaging us horny women splayed naked or cavorting in your hallways rather than trying to define and agree upon the absolutes on what constitute an Alpha man... I just put away a kilo steak, after catching the cow and preparing it with my bare hands, while reading your post.... wiped my chin with my sleeve... drank a pint of mead, burped defiantly... and prepared my keyboard for the presence of my man hands. Just to say.... Man cannot live on bread, or sex, alone. Sometimes we like to cuddle.
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madotara69
10 years ago
I just want to see another one of Meeka's innocent questions hit page ten.
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On_Safari
10 years ago
To graciously and diplomatically bow down when one is bested or, at the very least; admit one doesn't know everything and acknowledge that at times others experiences etc have gifted them more knowledgeable DG. 😇 I notice often of late your feathers are ruffled when someone else knows more about a topic or differs from your incredible perspective. You know I enjoy you so I feel it within my right to suggest temperance my dear you don't know everything 😘
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Plain
10 years ago
An Alpha male is by nature a crafty manipulative person and one who used this to survive was at the head of a male bastion appearance wise for a long period of time was J Edgar Hoover head of the FBI, known as Mary after a while had very submissive tendencies. Alpha male not as we would imagine I dare say.!!??
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'KiwiBred' Quoting 'Blindman67' The definition leaves no room for ambiguity, or should we just throw all meaning to the wind and adopt our own meanings for labels. Where would that leave us but in a state of constant confusion when meaning is left to the subjective interpretation of individuals. ... the very "subjective interpretation of individuals" that enrich, inspire, encourage and motivates change? Yes agreed but "Alpha Male" is a noun and hence is inherently not subjective. This is where the debate seems to be stuck on with most referring to the term as an adjective. Adjectives by their nature are metaphors and open to interpretation and thus subjective. Why debate the subjective, it is pointless without an agreed meaning.
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
I love you too, OS. Just.....Bring an opinion to the table.... and be prepared to support it.Because not all debating skills are created equal. The typical..... "I'm a terrible writer but just give me a chance, pleeeeeeeezee" ... pleas... don't hold up in a lively discussion. I just haven't been wrong.... yet. lol Next challenger!!!!!
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Seachange
10 years ago
I wilk leave you in yoru contemplation and sparring. I would be surprised cor you to come to an agreed point of view at this rate. Well from what I see anyway but surprise me. Lol. I shall check upon you on the consensus on the cricket err subject. You know I do have a good sense of humour.so all tge above cheekiness is water on the ducks back even if meant it. Lol. And if yiu do, bugger you. Haha. Enjoy your swordplay boys.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'lilyorchid'I wilk leave you in yoru contemplation and sparring. I would be surprised cor you to come to an agreed point of view at this rate. Well from what I see anyway but surprise me. Lol. I shall check upon you on the consensus on the cricket err subject. With the exception of Blindman,I think most of us are actually saying that the term is very open to interpretation. I personally think it's meaningless in the current age, and that leader can be more readily and usefully defined. Blindman I understand your point, but arguing semantics when there is a world of subjective opinion all around you seems a little pointless. The reality is that leaders are created by the people they lead. It is these people that determine what characteristics are important and if their man or woman has what it takes. Sure there are some traits and behaviours that are common, but there will be many that are not. Many even consider Tony Abbott to be a leader, and he does exhibit many if not most of the standard alpha traits. Most of the followers don't see past the veneer. But there are some who understand his methods (intimidation, divisiveness, deception), and actually value them as the marks of a strong leader. I think there are better candidates in the gorilla enclosure. I don't agree entirely with the opinions of Blindman, DG, Mado, SensualAries et al, but I don't think they are invalid. Leadership, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Back to the OP - my leader is unlikely to sub. But he/she is also keen on win/win outcomes, so it's not impossible. If it happened it would be top from the bottom and not likely to be very often. They are never going to be truly sub. So boys, what would your leaders do?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Plain' An Alpha male is by nature a crafty manipulative person and one who used this to survive was at the head of a male bastion appearance wise for a long period of time was J Edgar Hoover head of the FBI, known as Mary after a while had very submissive tendencies. Alpha male not as we would imagine I dare say.!!?? I do have to disagree with this one. Hoover was a very insecure man who ruled by fear and intimidation. His personal preferences obviously troubled him greatly. The only interpretation of alpha he fits is the bully, and that's one I can't see as valid.
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madotara69
10 years ago
"What" is it that keeps attracting you to this thread ?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quote: Simon,"Blindman I understand your point, but arguing semantics when there is a world of subjective opinion all around you seems a little pointless." A debate is mute when the subject is open to individual interpretation. Yet the subject is not subjective, to say so renders the alpha male as a non entity. It is clear that in every group (human social group of up to 100-120 individuals no more) there is a leader. To say that does not happen, that there is not natural leader, does not change the fact that it happens. If it is at such a subconscious level that the ego can not see then that is an issues for the individual but rest assured being aware or not of the existence of the alpha does not effect his/her existence. Next time you are out in a group of friends take note of who leads. It will not be a display of overt power but it will be the person that makes the first moves, or is allowed the last word. If you can not work it out, its not because that person does not exist, its because you are not looking for the right thing. It's part of "Make friends and influence people 101". If introducing your self to a group always start with the alpha, if you get that individual's approval you will have a much better chance of group approval. Locating the alpha in any group is an important social/business skill. if the alpha was subjective there would be no point to using such tactics as invariably it would be impossible to consistently spot the alpha. If you find it hard to spot the alpha, then start by looking for the weakest in the group and via process of elimination you will find the alpha.
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Plain
10 years ago
My left field choice of which he is would be a person in this case a female who likes to use strapons would ever find a perceived Alpha, that he would fit the bill. Yeah he was a bit of a bully, but dropped his dacks for quiet a few in his circle.Yeah an alpha would not willingly become submissive unless they gained an advantage.
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On_Safari
10 years ago
Lol just lol 😎
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
In Excel @ work.....arghhhhh....my 2 x 8GB Ram cards supposed to arrive today......Grrrrrrrrr.... Shall be back...............
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Quote: Simon,"Blindman I understand your point, but arguing semantics when there is a world of subjective opinion all around you seems a little pointless." A debate is mute when the subject is open to individual interpretation. If you are after a "winner" then you may be right. I just enjoy the discussion of ideas. In any case, let's assume there is a correct answer as you keep asserting, there's enough people misinterpreting to make it irrelevant, as I keep saying. Quoting 'Blindman67'...if it is at such a subconscious level that the ego can not see then that is an issues for the individual but rest assured being aware or not of the existence of the alpha does not effect his/her existence. Next time you are out in a group of friends take note of who leads. It will not be a display of overt power but it will be the person that makes the first moves, or is allowed the last word. If you can not work it out, its not because that person does not exist, its because you are not looking for the right thing. .... If you find it hard to spot the alpha, then start by looking for the weakest in the group and via process of elimination you will find the alpha. Are you sure you're not just talking about the loudest? There may well be one that is looked to by the others, but that does not make them a leader, it often just makes the group dysfunctional. But again, I'm not going to argue your definition which may well be technically correct. It seems however that most here are talking about someone more rare, a person that is a natural leader and obviously so. These people are 1-2% of the population based on personality types, they are not to be found in every small group of friends.
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RHP User
10 years ago
So, all you Alpha males are still fighting amongst yourselves. But you haven't said.......... are any of you going to submit to me, or what?
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100'But you haven't said.......... are any of you going to submit to me, or what? Negative.
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' ...if it is at such a subconscious level that the ego can not see then that is an issues for the individual but rest assured being aware or not of the existence of the alpha does not effect his/her existence. Blindie, I would argue that if a group memeber was unaware at a subconcious level of the alphas existence it's indeed an ego issue. That individual is by nature more than likely the truer Alpha. It's important to remember that ego can very much subconsciously choose not to react. It's primal. Hence..... Winston Churchill is my leader of choice. His ego whilst effected by "melancholy" at a point in history when it was unmedicatable forged ahead self enabled. He turned his softer deeper emotions to rally a nation at a time of significant peril.
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Seachange
10 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' "What" is it that keeps attracting you to this thread ? We ladies are just interested to see who is the last (Alpha) man standing.... so we can have him as our special guest in the annual rhp women's meet and watch him submit to Meeka's strapon.... All recorded for posterity and compulsive viewing for the current and future generation of RHP women's club...That's all....
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madotara69
10 years ago
I'm just the man in the middle Of a complicated plan No one to show me the light Ah,yes, I'm weary from battle But I've just begun to fight Nowhere to run to Nowhere to hide I'm just the man in the middle Of a complicated plan No one to show me the signs I'm just a creature of habit In a complicated world Nowhere to run to Nowhere to hide
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RHP User
10 years ago
Is Secret Men's Business as exciting as this?
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madotara69
10 years ago
as all the likes in SWB Meander. bahahahaha
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'SensualAries' Quoting 'Blindman67' ...if it is at such a subconscious level that the ego can not see then that is an issues for the individual but rest assured being aware or not of the existence of the alpha does not effect his/her existence. Blindie, I would argue that if a group memeber was unaware at a subconcious level of the alphas existence it's indeed an ego issue. That individual is by nature more than likely the truer Alpha. It's important to remember that ego can very much subconsciously choose not to react. It's primal. Hence..... Winston Churchill is my leader of choice. His ego whilst effected by "melancholy" at a point in history when it was unmedicatable forged ahead self enabled. He turned his softer deeper emotions to rally a nation at a time of significant peril. Churchill is most certainly unique amongst histories greatest. He stood fast while most where ready to capitulate, stubborn, a brilliant orator, defiantly an alpha. An example that shows that an alpha does not need the stature or body of a god to inspire the best from others. I did not suggest that people were "unaware at a subconcious level" I was saying that for many it is only at a subconscious level that there is recognition. In day to day life there is not much call for the clearly defined alpha, but when the situation gets tough and lives and welfare of others is at stake the alpha stands out.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I did point out way back in this thread that there is a difference between the archetypal (mythical) and sociological defined alphas. The mythical alpha is very much dependent on the culture and subjective variance between individuals, but i would class them as the hero figures, the warrior kings, the prodigious lovers, with perfect bodies and minds. The idealized male form. Do they exist, only in dreams I have yet to meet such a perfect person. To place people in such categories is folly in my view. But I guess I will leave it at that, we are all right, just some more so than others.. ;)
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' I did point out way back in this thread that there is a difference between the archetypal (mythical) and sociological defined alphas. The mythical alpha is very much dependent on the culture and subjective variance between individuals, but i would class them as the hero figures, the warrior kings, the prodigious lovers, with perfect bodies and minds. The idealized male form. Do they exist, only in dreams I have yet to meet such a perfect person. To place people in such categories is folly in my view. But I guess I will leave it at that, we are all right, just some more so than others.. ;)
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' So, all you Alpha males are still fighting amongst yourselves. But you haven't said.......... are any of you going to submit to me, or what? Won't be me, sorry to disappoint. Gents it seems we are boring the lovely ladies. I'm not sure why they keep popping in here, but I guess at some point they need a break from gossip and ironing. I might just club the next one on the head and drag her back to the cave. She will then discover the true meaning of submission as she learns how to not only watch, but fully appreciate five days of test cricket.
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RHP User
10 years ago
You have a club? Where can we join..Oh hang on,is this a ploy to get ya ironing done?..Bigger 😩xx Freya
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RHP User
10 years ago
You have a club? Where can we join..Oh hang on,is this a ploy to get ya ironing done?..Bigger 😩xx Freya
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RHP User
10 years ago
I would rather present my butt to a marauding army than watch 5 days of cricket!!! zzzzzz :P
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Seachange
10 years ago
I think all this ongoing 'discussion' reminds me of the the Maypole dancing I have seen in Europe - lots of dancing around and ducking but never going anywhere... hahaha. I suspect all this talk is really male code talk about the current cricket tests... so far it has been going for days, the men are still at it and the women have retired to real life. We can't help poking our head in once in a while... We are still waiting for the last man standing to be our guest of honour in the annual ladies' sleepover.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'SensualAries' Quoting 'SensualAries' Quoting 'KiwiBred' In the wild, an alpha male can and does appear to completely submit to his equal partner but I don't think of it in terms of dominance and/or submission at all. I see it as being more of a balanced equilibrium of sorts. That is an incredibly interesting concept, and believe me I shall really ponder it....for specific reasons too.....Sure I can google it, but where did you find that quote/data?..... Oh and btw I am totally aware there is massive exponential ridicule about people who " promote / perceive / indicate subtly / mention / insinuate "that they themselves are Alpha & don't give two fucks.... [ Well not about the ensuing ridicule for what ive just said at least :-) /// yes DG I know you care less than I ] ok ive ponder it, so im betting you were the [ submissive in the above context only ] ?????....and now that I bet ive guessed it.....What happened ? ... as to why it need be one or the other?
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RHP User
10 years ago
So, so wrong. And I'm right. :) - Posted from rhpmobile
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On_Safari
10 years ago
All this chatter and still no alpha males have posted!!! Lol
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RHP User
10 years ago
An Alpha male was just looking at my profile,how do I know this.because he says so in his guest profile 😳xxRuby
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'lilyorchid' I think all this ongoing 'discussion' reminds me of the the Maypole dancing I have seen in Europe - lots of dancing around and ducking but never going anywhere... hahaha. I suspect all this talk is really male code talk about the current cricket tests... so far it has been going for days, the men are still at it and the women have retired to real life. We can't help poking our head in once in a while... We are still waiting for the last man standing to be our guest of honour in the annual ladies' sleepover. By definition, I'll be the last man standing.
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