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Alpha Males
January 02 2015
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'On_Safari' All this chatter and still no alpha males have posted!!! Lol Why would they?
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madotara69
10 years ago
How would you describe an alpha male? What does the term mean to you? "The reason why I ask is because someone just commented to me on another thread that an Alpha male can be submissive with his female lovers". "To me, I don't think an alpha male can be submissive or at the very least they would be uncomfortable with certain sexual acts or roles". Or do I just have a different definition of submissive? Or in fact a different definition of alpha male? Can an alpha male ever be truly submissive?
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madotara69
10 years ago
All that in one breath?
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
Quoting 'KiwiBred'Quoting 'SensualAries' Quoting 'SensualAries' Quoting 'KiwiBred' In the wild, an alpha male can and does appear to completely submit to his equal partner but I don't think of it in terms of dominance and/or submission at all. I see it as being more of a balanced equilibrium of sorts. That is an incredibly interesting concept, and believe me I shall really ponder it....for specific reasons too.....Sure I can google it, but where did you find that quote/data?..... Oh and btw I am totally aware there is massive exponential ridicule about people who " promote / perceive / indicate subtly / mention / insinuate "that they themselves are Alpha & don't give two fucks.... [ Well not about the ensuing ridicule for what ive just said at least :-) /// yes DG I know you care less than I ] ok ive ponder it, so im betting you were the [ submissive in the above context only ] ?????....and now that I bet ive guessed it.....What happened ? ... as to why it need be one or the other? OK, Ive been on African safari, was a very uplifiting surreal experience. Call it the Wilbur Smith in me but I connected with your post in a poetic notion. Actually seeing an alpha male bull elephant protect his young from a lion - memory etching...
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
since meeka doesn't like the cricket only fair we cater for her.....Meeka as requested you may submit to the army out front our cave whilst we also watch the cricket.....wow king prawns and beer all round...(or maybe raw wilder beast steaks and African kava)......please understand though if a wicket is taken or a six is hit we may be temporarily distracted...but(t) rest assured one scream for assistance and look out army.....
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madotara69
10 years ago
"since meeka doesn't like the cricket only fair we cater for her....." Hope you fully understand what we now have apparently conspired too cater for.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'On_Safari' All this chatter and still no alpha males have posted!!! Lol Off course not. Alphas don't need help finding mates (as in the fucking type not the beer swilling type) you wont find them on here. And if they do stray by accident onto RHP, Their ass is MINE! Grrr..... a little chest beating..grrrrrr.... cough cough oh dear, better sit down....
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RHP User
10 years ago
Can't think of anything worse than watching cricket.. Yawn, in fact I have never understood the male preoccupation with televised sport. What a mind numbing way to spend your precious time. Guess that is part of the reason I have no male friends.
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Can't think of anything worse than watching cricket.. Yawn, in fact I have never understood the male preoccupation with televised sport. What a mind numbing way to spend your precious time. Guess that is part of the reason I have no male friends. Blindie, Johnny Howard would not be happy......dearie me......to be honest ive not watched a test myself for years.....however used to sit by the screen for days and days never leaving its dear side.....a loyalist?....no just loved to see us win!!....
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Funlover71'By definition, I'll be the last man standing. That would be Victor. Who would then be the victor. Hey.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Quoting 'Funlover71'By definition, I'll be the last man standing. That would be Victor. Who would then be the victor. Hey. Find out my middle name?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' Next time you are out in a group of friends take note of who leads. It will not be a display of overt power but it will be the person that makes the first moves, or is allowed the last word. If you can not work it out, its not because that person does not exist, its because you are not looking for the right thing. ...... Locating the alpha in any group is an important social/business skill. if the alpha was subjective there would be no point to using such tactics as invariably it would be impossible to consistently spot the alpha. If you find it hard to spot the alpha, then start by looking for the weakest in the group and via process of elimination you will find the alpha. Quoting 'Blindman67' Off course not. Alphas don't need help finding mates (as in the fucking type not the beer swilling type) you wont find them on here.... Not here, or just not spotting them? It's been interesting.
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
The sculptor finishes his work. An onlooker says wow a credit to you who could have imagined that possible. The sculptor says I've done nothing this was always there I merely chiseled away the pieces.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'SensualAries' The sculptor finishes his work. An onlooker says wow a credit to you who could have imagined that possible. The sculptor says I've done nothing this was always there I merely chiseled away the pieces. If only, when I look for the statue inside the blank all I find is gravel...
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TallBaldSexy
10 years ago
When WE take note of some fictional characters we can sometimes observe them often changing sides whilst the others are locked in battles.....obscure or obvious?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Seldom does the hero share the prize, though the outcome is for the greater benefit, the hero always has the prize befitting the task, and greater than those that stood by. Should allegiances change it is out of reason, not greed. Reason? purely poetic. The fictional form is told too many times for it to be obscure, but with a dab of creative pigment the obvious twist is the surprised prize. This is becoming very esoteric.
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madotara69
10 years ago
Is it there may be too much of a gap between Meeka and and and and and 10"strapon? Sensual, you lead the pack to cater for that gap Meeka and 10"strapon to be etched in the stone we present as Alpha of the Meekas kind. Congratulations we shall be proud to have fought along side you. All for one and one is all SensualAlpha... you can be damned certain locked in battle, Meeka will finish her work as she chisels away at your piece. Until the next time calls, gentlemen ............./\./\ Mado /``\ (black ears and matching cape) ........|...\.^./...| ......./....|.B |....\ ...../...../......\.....\
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Plain
10 years ago
Oh ye who have determined that ye shall have Alpha tendencies no matter how minor shall not bow to be a submissive in any shape or form when a person of the opposite or same sex has an unnatural device for dubiously and allegedly inflicting upon said male person insertion or whipping, spanking of said device.End of story and that means no.However all natural appendages provided they are not to sharp may be used to tickle kiss, caress and generally pleasure said male with Alpha attributes to their hearts delight, although it must be pointed out here there are some with Alpha tendencies who think 30 seconds is more than enough and why should they exert themselves to exhaustion, when they have satisfied their need.All written tongue in cheek, maybe with a bit of pompous gravitas.And not into the submissive bit maam.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I come back from leave and find this has ballooned out to 11 pages. I provided the answer to the OP's question on the first page. What have the other 10 pages been about? And for those interested in some reference material which provides a concise survey of the topic, look up "The Alpha Male Syndrome", by Dr K Ludeman and Dr E Erlandson.
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Quoting 'SimpleNeeds2' I come back from leave and find this has ballooned out to 11 pages. I provided the answer to the OP's question on the first page. What have the other 10 pages been about? Well... that just ruled you outlol
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madotara69
10 years ago
SimpleNeeds, there is half a dozen of them.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'SensualAries' Quoting 'KiwiBred'Quoting 'SensualAries' Quoting 'SensualAries' Quoting 'KiwiBred' OK, Ive been on African safari, was a very uplifiting surreal experience. Call it the Wilbur Smith in me but I connected with your post in a poetic notion. Actually seeing an alpha male bull elephant protect his young from a lion - memory etching... Pretty awesome stuff huh? But I was curious as to why it need be one or the other with regards to this comment ... "ok ive ponder it, so im betting you were the [ submissive in the above context only ] ?????....and now that I bet ive guessed it.....What happened ?"
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'SimpleNeeds2' I come back from leave and find this has ballooned out to 11 pages. I provided the answer to the OP's question on the first page. What have the other 10 pages been about? And for those interested in some reference material which provides a concise survey of the topic, look up "The Alpha Male Syndrome", by Dr K Ludeman and Dr E Erlandson. It was also clear on page one and onwards that many confuse bullies with alpha males. Just like the authors of "The Alpha Male Syndrome". The authors made the assumption that the people in charge are alpha males, then studied them to determine the common traits, and the positive and negative behaviours that flowed from them. The problem is that making to the top in business is achieved by varied means, not simply or even commonly by being an inspiring and effective leader. Not surprisingly they found many negative traits amongst their sample of "alphas". That would be because many of them are in fact insecure bullies. That said, Simpleneeds, your original reply was a good one.
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RHP User
10 years ago
DISC Personality Types:C = Conscientious (Passive DISC Style, Task-Oriented)S = Steady (Passive DISC Style, People-Oriented)I = Influential (Active DISC Style, People-Oriented)D = Dominant (Active DISC Style, Task-Oriented)I think your alpha male would be predisposed towards being high in D & I. I've done this test and came out as a high D at work with some C and I've worked in compliance for the last 20 years. I think it maybe possible that I am not such a high D away from work and at home and I'm known for being easygoing. I quite often fantasize about being dominated by a woman in the bedroom, maybe this is a psychological thing I can't really explain it that well.
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RHP User
10 years ago
That's the best profile I have ever seen ๐๐๐๐๐xxFreya
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'SimonDoes' It was also clear on page one and onwards that many confuse bullies with alpha males. Just like the authors of "The Alpha Male Syndrome". The authors made the assumption that the people in charge are alpha males, then studied them to determine the common traits, and the positive and negative behaviours that flowed from them. The problem is that making to the top in business is achieved by varied means, not simply or even commonly by being an inspiring and effective leader. Not surprisingly they found many negative traits amongst their sample of "alphas". That would be because many of them are in fact insecure bullies. That said, Simpleneeds, your original reply was a good one. I agree. Alphas are not defined by given role. Way to many examples exists of leaders that are not at all natural alphas. Attaining leadership involves some nepotism (boys club, not just family). This results in ineffective leadership as the lead group does not feel affinity to the leader and may in some cases actually obstruct or otherwise disrupt the process of decision making and group cohesion. A good boss is an alpha, not all bosses are alphas. I say it again, Alphas always have excellent social skills this makes them likable to all but the most stubborn individualist.
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madotara69
10 years ago
Half an hour in the sun and a Berocca will give you the same results, Some extra B too.
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RHP User
10 years ago
the forum nazi's..
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jafuncpl1903
10 years ago
leader boss strongest never under any 1 at all is a Alpha
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'astridjamie' leader boss strongest never under any 1 at all is a Alpha But then what happens when two Alpha meet, or a room full. Who alphas the alpha, how do they decide who is the boss? They can not all be the leader, boss, strongest, they can't all be on top. That is why alphas have to be able to be submissive, its not like they would all start lopping heads off to rule. Or is there only one true alpha ever, all the rest just pretend?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Love your work :) I've met men who I think are Alphas, but who wouldn't necessarily recognise it in themselves. They have a quiet strength. A firmness and an ability to say no, as well as an ability to get things done and take care of business. They don't push others around, but they don't let themselves be pushed around. They know themselves and what their own boundaries are, and they respect that as well as the boundaries of others. But when the going gets tough they always step up.
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' That is why alphas have to be able to be submissive, its not like they would all start lopping heads off to rule. Or is there only one true alpha ever, all the rest just pretend? Not at all. A true alpha knows he doesn't need to react to everyone, or every situation. That doesn't make them submissive... it makes them aware and non-reactive.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' But then what happens when two Alpha meet, or a room full. alphas have to be able to be submissive On wether or not you think of the term itself as being synonymous with the words dominance & submission. I (for one) don't and think that co-operation and/or collaboration may come into play as opposed to thinking that submission is a given under those circumstances.
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madotara69
10 years ago
Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' Quoting 'Blindman67' That is why alphas have to be able to be submissive, its not like they would all start lopping heads off to rule. Or is there only one true alpha ever, all the rest just pretend? Not at all. A true alpha knows he doesn't need to react to everyone, or every situation. That doesn't make them submissive... it makes them aware and non-reactive. That just ruled you out Ohh damn, me too
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'KiwiBred' Quoting 'Blindman67' But then what happens when two Alpha meet, or a room full. alphas have to be able to be submissive On wether or not you think of the term itself as being synonymous with the words dominance & submission. I (for one) don't and think that co-operation and/or collaboration may come into play as opposed to thinking that submission is a given under those circumstances. Agreed. Group cohesion is the priority for any alpha and in many cases who is the alpha in a group is only subconsciously known, including to the alpha. Even if queried and made to think about who is leading there will be no clear consensus within the group, especially if the query is crafted to highlight the ego . Yet from an out side perspective the alpha is obvious. But submission or being submissive does not require a conscious act of will. Indeed a good leader, a natural alpha knows how to instigate action in others in such a way as to make that person believe they are the actually the source of the initiative. Submission is submission irrespective of will, want, or need. An intelligent self aware alpha is comfortable with submission as they have a health ego that does not require support. If we are to define the term alpha we should accept that this is in some form a rating system. As with almost all human qualities the rank is always a exponential. For any group most are average, some are good, less are great, even less are exceptional, and rarely but exist are brilliant. This has to be the same for a group of alphas, the exceptional and the brilliant are so more apt at the alpha role that they will always lead, yet all in isolation all are still great leaders and without ambiguity still the top dog, still alphas. To say all alphas are equal to me seems absurd.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' Quoting 'Blindman67' That is why alphas have to be able to be submissive, its not like they would all start lopping heads off to rule. Or is there only one true alpha ever, all the rest just pretend? Not at all. A true alpha knows he doesn't need to react to everyone, or every situation. That doesn't make them submissive... it makes them aware and non-reactive. Any act of servitude is an act of submission. To be aware and not react implies that there is knowledge of the possibility of an alternative reactive stance. To not react for what ever reason is an act of servitude and hence submission. For example, in a pub there is debate that get heated, one person then challenges another to settle it out side. The person being challenged and all around have no doubt that they will easily win yet in the name of order he will decline, and choose inaction. Because the debate has reached a log ahead inaction terminates the debate via withdrawal. This is a submissive act.
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madotara69
10 years ago
Say for example I was standing along side a bloke in the raw and Tara is all playful on that nice big mattress, giving us the the wink. If I said "you go first mate, I will put a song on then join you" Is that submissive dominance, whata yu reckon?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' Quoting 'Freya79' I personally think they are people who are secure in themselves...leaders..people who attract others...people who have strength,courage,kindness....a strong mind isn't a submissive mind but it may be that that Alpha personality may enjoy role playing the submissive...or stepping out of their leadership role ,giving the control over to another,but only for a short time,or in a particular circumstance... But are they really not still in a way in control? I think Freya described how she sees an Alpha female, which I think is exactly how you described yourself. Secure in yourself, but enjoying stepping out of your leadership role, choosing to give control away for a while. People who have a submissive mind don't choose to give their power away, I think. They have or had it taken from them beyond their control. The submissives that I have known have wanted to give control away. They chose to do that. Accepting that control is an interesting responsibility, a burden even. I get that some are passively submissive, but it seems that many are actively so.
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madotara69
10 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' Say for example I was standing along side a bloke in the raw and Tara is all playful on that nice big mattress, giving us the the wink. If I said "you go first mate, I will put a song on then join you" Is that submissive dominance, within the Alpha male spectrum, whata yu reckon?
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Declining to engage ion the challenge of a fight is not a submissive act. Thats ridiculous. Just as instigating one isn't an alpha act.... which... would be congruent with your earlier definitions. You can admit to being wrong..... it doesn't weaken you.It strengthens you.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I agree and think there is a difference between submissives and people with a submissive mind. I see the first as active participants and the second as having a victim mentality.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Why couldn't an alpha male be completely comftable in who he is in general terms ,, so if he thought outside the square in the bedroom , would that make him less of an alpha male ? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
I'm not saying "all alphas are equal". I'm saying that interaction with alphas doesn't necessarily have to come down to being defined as either dominant or submissive.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Bishop and Turnbull are happy to play along and watch their leader, Abbott hang himself. Who are the Alphas ?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Dominant, submissive... who really cares. And most of this Is in the eye of onlooker. My guess is the more insecure the onlooker, the more of a bully of an Alpha they'll seek out. As the onlooker becomes more secure and emotionally intelligent, then they'll identify traits such as skillfully avoiding conflict, identifying win-winsituations and an ability to read and influence the group. For example, the immature girls expect a guy to fight for them even though they may have been the cause of the conflict. A more mature person would let the girl learn her lesson, which would attract a more emotionally mature female (shows better parenting skills for one thing). So for those trying to pin it to black and white thinking of submissive, dominant, etc I question your motives about what you would like out of a alpha male? But hey, I'm only one oppinion and I know what I'm looking for... and that's the courage to be vulnerable (which to me makes you the alpha in my book)
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RHP User
10 years ago
The question is can alphas be submissive. I argue that by their very nature they can. Please present reason why not rather than personal attack. I make no claim at all to be alpha, never have never will. DGPlease present a detailed argument. Saying no without reasoning makes no sense and gives little opportunity to reply with a logical argument. Declining a challenge is submissive, it does not have to be done by an alpha. Please give an example where this is not true. Alphas have to be submissive. Why is this so hard to understand. So far with the possible exception of Simon there have been no alphas here so why the defensive stance. DG you are not what I would ever call a alpha. This is not an insult and is only my opinion. KiwiNo interaction does, but the question asked makes it an imperative. Can an alpha be submissive. I have presented numerous examples where they can, needing only one to confirm my case that alphas can be submissive please present the flaws in my logic Or provide reason that can not be refuted. You so far have been the most logical, For the sake of argument i value your input. OF_78Nobody cares, this is but a debate, I do not think alphas are bullies. An alpha is someone everyone respects and you are correct. "all in the eye of the beholder" I debate for sake of debate. Easy to shut me down via no reply. But then why bother with forums. I enjoy debate, come on bring it on.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Sorry blindman I don't have the words, i agree with what you are saying but I think submission is the wrong word/concept. I think an alphas "submission" is more tactical, it's the illusion of submission, part of a longer game.
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Not a personal attack.... and its a pretty childish assertion given that you respond if you think it was. ITs a debate..... you make comments.... ignore other peoples comments (while also effectively agreeing with them).... so you become, the topic.... by choice. You have offered several different "detailed arguments", all while seeking to deny that the 'true alpha' is subjective to the point of view of others. Its ironic that by offering several different arguments you've proven this subjectivity. I can ugly summarise that you continue to swim incircles to seek to preserve some image that you're more alpha than those who disagree with you?!!! There is no point engaging further because.... there is only one position which you care to consider. This is me..... disengaging..... not submitting.... because.... I just don't care for exercises in futility. DG.... walking away.... LIKE A BOSS DG
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Plain
10 years ago
Me thinks we all have our views on it from either personal experience of so called Alphas or even a possible Alpha male and not being aware of it. But none of us have actually tried to answer Meeka s question and I suspect it would be along the lines of ambushing the Alpha male in the bedroom with the I guess Meekas strapon, I would say no and in fact it could be fraught with danger remember an Alpha is a planner to the nth degree and if something or someone interferes in one form or another then they will fight and often to their demise. Its the nature of the beast, but I suspect an Alpha might consider to be submissive until he gets what he wants and then its back to normal and they have used deception to lure out what they want. Or this could be alot of codswallop!
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RHP User
10 years ago
Blindman I don't have the time or inclination to go into the theory, but here's some anecdotes to ponder... I'm a big guy. In my younger days due to my profile, size and look, occasionally some dickhead would have the urge to have a crack at me (in the mistaken belief that would prove his alpha-ness I would guess). Nine times out of ten I would talk my way out of the confrontation. It was not a submissive act - I actively took control of the situation and used body language, persuasion, humour, and bravado, to diffuse the confrontation without a fight. Onlookers were never in doubt as to who was the "stronger" man, and not once did I feel disempowered. It didn't always work, and it was only when I had to fight that I felt I had lost control. Actively averting violence is not a submissive act. In my early 20's and still at uni I found myself on the Board of a political lobby group that included two QC's, a very wealthy advertising guru, an MP who would later become a Federal Minister, and a couple of high profile and very highly respected doctors. They were all at least 20yrs older and very high achievers. It was alpha central, all clear leaders in their fields. I wore jeans with holes in them and thought haircuts were for the bourgeoisie. I had a lot to learn and did a lot more listening than talking. Despite what outsiders may consider a clear imbalance in status, when it came to my area of expertise (grass roots activism and campaigns), there was deference to me. It was a room full of leaders comfortable and confident enough to allow others some time in the spotlight without feeling inadequate. Listening, learning, and empowering others are not submissive acts. Now I'm in my 40's and I wear suits to meetings (only when I have to, and the haircut thing just isn't an issue any more). I work with some seriously wealthy and successful businessmen. It's alpha central again. But unlike the Board above which was invite only and based on merit, in business sometimes you will find some pretty ordinary characters at the top. The real leaders will sometimes need to cater to pretenders in the short term, indulging insecurities and massaging egos in order to get the job done. I've personally had to allow some arseholes some leeway a few times, but at no time did I feel I was handing over power. Clever strategy is not a submissive act. Amongst the real leaders, regardless of perceived status, there is mutual respect, deference, shared control - and zero submission. I'm still the junior in the room, and I guarantee that the men I am working with do not feel they are giving up control when I am leading a discussion. I speak from experience, with over 20 years of surrounding myself with real leaders (and many more fakes) in business and politics. I speak about leaders rather than alphas, because that is what they do. Shared control, empowerment, mentoring, learning, and strategy may appear submissive at times, but that is not the correct interpretation. Submission doesn't exist in this world, certainly not in the minds of the participants. I certainly understand how it may look like submission to you, but if at no point there's a feeling of having given up any control, then it simply isn't submission. That's the mind of the "alpha".
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RHP User
10 years ago
An alpha wouldn't be in Meekas bedroom unless he wanted to be. Right ?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Just don't think dominant and submissive are the right ideas. And for those thinking in those terms (and not to be too judgemental) but it reeks of very polar thinking. I would suggest that every gratious king bows to his queen. And needing a label of "alpha" to attract interest to you is just your own insecurities. I would suggest that alpha mean have the courage to be submissive. But for many insecure on lookers this might invoke their insecurities about what they need... but the true alpha won't care. They see this as other's weaknesses... and likely avoid these people. Now looking forward to some more debate ;)
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RHP User
10 years ago
OF_78It is polar because the question is polar "Can alphas be submissive?" there is no middle ground here. If it is only sometimes and under specific circumstances the answer has to be yes. For a no answer then under no circumstance can any alpha ever submit. Submission is to concede to the will of another. To do so willingly or not does not change that, even to be unaware of it does not change that fact. But I will concede to accepting that submission must be conscious. That being manipulated but unaware does indeed leave no room for defense. But I still think the room of alphas demonstrates that alphas must consciously submit. Simon. I owned and ran a business here in WA that dealt with high profile interests, including State and Local government, Military (Australian and Overseas), Media, and the private sector. I am very used to rooms full of Alphas. Almost all the contracts I landed where open tenders and I needed to win these alphas over as they where the final say in who got the contract. I am no alpha, but nether am I meek, nor do I lack any confidence. I know how to convince them how my product is the best, I know how to play their needs to my benefit and part of that game is submission. To win them over they must submit, this is how you gain equal status. I set out with a researched plan for each tender meeting, all involved are researched. Experience taught me that suits and perfection are a must for some sectors, while relaxed jovial environment more suited for others. To get submission is to find something that is a long held belief or idea and to convince them that it is wrong. Sometimes this is subtle, other times this is very confronting and direct. Telling a business man that his latest enterprise is complete hog wash and a total waste of money for most would not be a good method to winning a contract. You can see them cross their arms, completely on the defense, who is this little guy, how dare he mock my business. I wont say how (different for each) but within 5 minutes I guarantee their arms are uncrossed, there is a jovial and very relaxed atmosphere and for me the contract is won. The conversation goes from why should we award you the contract, to details concerning the implementation and processes involved. Without formal approval I know its mine. Turning folded arms to open arms is an act of submission for me. But I guess this debate is now stuck on what is submission and clearly we are not in agreement here. I would say in the sexual case. Yes alphas can be subs and enjoy it. In business submission is compromise and only if there is perceived benefit. Personal lives, submission is respect and duty. No one can go through life doing what ever they want, we all have to submit to the rule of law. We must respect and understand the wishes and needs of others. We submit to keep peace and stay friends. In business we submit to the requirements of regulation, standards, law, and governments. We sign contracts and expect that they be abided even unwanted (compromised) clauses. If we do not submit then we are in chaos. Alphas are bound by the same if they wish order.
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RHP User
10 years ago
This has nothig to do with me or my strapon. This question came from another forumite saying that they would clean up (eat another man's cum) from their woman's vagina and then like an alpha male drag her back to his cave. I just thought that was a curious statement because would an alpha male act the submissive part in a MFM threesome and essential be submissive to the other male. To me, eating another mans cum like that is a submissive act, which surprised the other person because he saw it as an alpha thing to do. That's all.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I assumed thy an alpha male would be a born leader or someone who would take charge of a situation. It's something that is so ingrained in their personality that being submissive to another man in a threesome wouldn't be a comfortable thing for them to do. That is what I was thinking when I asked this question.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Many people are assuming that alpha has to take the point, be the leader, in charge, etc. Of their own life certainly, if it is part of the plan sure, but an alpha is quite happy to let others be in charge if it suits them.Sexual submission, why not ? Why wouldn't an alpha choose to submit, that is the key the alpha will choose to have the experience, rather than have the experience or situation control them. Remember "real men don't eat quiche" ? Actually "Real Men" eat whatever they fucken like !
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Plain
10 years ago
Thirteen pages later if most of the guys new that situation and what is determined as an Alpha male, that person aint in my opinion and apologies for putting your name to the scenario outlined as I thought here we were all gas bagging and postulating into oblivion in a civil manner was to garner some extra information. Now we know another 13 pages....
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Seachange
10 years ago
Quoting '50zcool' An alpha wouldn't be in Meekas bedroom unless he wanted to be. Right ? you are right. If we go by the premise that Alpha men consider/assess risks and benefits in view of the big picture of winning the final purse, all his move will be calculated as in a chess game to the point of sacrificing a pawn or two or three. Minor setback for major win. Lots of foresight that would make Sun Tzu proud. so to answer your question, his choice to submit or take on the submissive sexual role in Meeka's room to pursue higher goals of sexual gratification. Unless of course our clever Meeka tricked him into donning a latex gimp suit with strategically placed pleasure holes for her pleasure pokes... Lol. Go get them alpha boys Meeka.... (can we watch?)
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RHP User
10 years ago
Never met an alpha male I don't think, I have met lots of real men though.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Blindman it seems you see submission everywhere, where I see a world I create and control. External factors influence my actions, but they do not determine or control them. As I said, it is about the mindset. It may look like submission to you, but if I still feel like I'm in control, then it simply is not. I don't feel I've lost control of mind, body, or destiny in any of the scenarios you present, let alone actually given it up. There is no submission. "...The Master takes actionBy letting things take their course.He remains as calmAt the end as at the beginning"Lao Tzu And that I think is the end.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' I assumed thy an alpha male would be a born leader or someone who would take charge of a situation. It's something that is so ingrained in their personality that being submissive to another man in a threesome wouldn't be a comfortable thing for them to do. That is what I was thinking when I asked this question. Allowing and watching your partner take pleasure is not necessarily submissive. Sharing control of a partner is not necessarily submissive. In fact, both are just as likely to be dominant acts. Or did you have something else in mind?
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madotara69
10 years ago
Quoting '50zcool' Remember "real men don't eat quiche" ? Actually "Real Men" eat whatever they fucken like ! Only fucken Truckies eat quiche
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RHP User
10 years ago
Correction - that was 1 of 5 questions raised by the OP ... ... howz that!?! For the record, both the term itself and the words dominance & submission (by association) have little to no significance to me other than that as defined by and in relation to animal behaviour - all of which, have been overused, misused and mean different things to different people to the extent of being rendered totally useless. It doesn't appear to be any different in here in that interpretations of the words are as subjective as the term itself, which is where the added confusion may lie.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'SimonDoes' Quoting 'Meeka100' I assumed thy an alpha male would be a born leader or someone who would take charge of a situation. It's something that is so ingrained in their personality that being submissive to another man in a threesome wouldn't be a comfortable thing for them to do. That is what I was thinking when I asked this question. Allowing and watching your partner take pleasure is not necessarily submissive. Sharing control of a partner is not necessarily submissive. In fact, both are just as likely to be dominant acts. Or did you have something else in mind? Oh no, I don't think that is submissive thing at all. It is the eating the other man's cum out of the woman's vajayjay which to me is a guy being submissive to the other man. Well, so to speak. And before 50zCool sends me a quiche recipe I am not saying it is a bad thing.
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inspirit
10 years ago
A submissive person is always in control.
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madotara69
10 years ago
Could just be seeing the missus laying there, still quivering and swaying about from just being fucked by two men and the "Alpha" of the moment, being the "hubby" for all sense and purposes, just sees an opportunity to dive back in and feast on the still pulsating seeping wet pussy. Alpha snap decision with confidence, as the other fellow less in the know hesitated. Submissive, or first in best dressed ? You girls think strange things about us men
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RHP User
10 years ago
It is a shame that you had to preen so. Quote Simon;"External factors influence my actions, but they do not determine or control them."A bold statement, and a worthy creed, yet credulous. Free will is an illusion you are as much in control as a feather in the wind. Here I bump into your ego and it will have its consequences. but to continue the debate it must be dealt with as you have set up that wall. You are wrong, your actions are controlled by law, your actions are mediated by morality, you are dominated by ego. You may attempt to own them, but that is just more ego feeding ego. A grandiose illusion, you are not in control of your actions, I am. What to do, reply you can but be careful of the ego, or dismiss me as unworthy as I am nothing but a waste of your good time. You quote Taoism doctrine yet i see not a drop of its teachings in your words. Submit to the lowest of places is the greatest strength a person can have, only from there can you grow. Lucky you are not in the military which I would say has great attraction to alphas. All of which must learn subservience first before they can ever gain dominance. I wonder if there is a way to say alphas never submit. Sorry Simon seems you are just a man but that's good is it not?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' You girls think strange things about us men we think differently that is for sure.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'KiwiBred'Correction - that was 1 of 5 questions raised by the OP ... ... howz that!?! For the record, both the term itself and the words dominance & submission (by association) have little to no significance to me other than that as defined by and in relation to animal behaviour - all of which, have been overused, misused and mean different things to different people to the extent of being rendered totally useless. It doesn't appear to be any different in here in that interpretations of the words are as subjective as the term itself, which is where the added confusion may lie.Indeed. The first 2 question are of little consequence as they are but personal opinion. The next two relate directly to the last, I have present several definitions of what I consider an alpha is, others have as well. We have come to some consensus and was hoping for an alpha to join the debate so to clarify. I would say an alpha could easily have the final word and leave us all feeling good saying to your selves. Excellent point there is nothing more to say. So far this thread has but created an irresistible place for egos to attempt to draw the sword from the stone. What is submission? some claim that it is something an alpha can not do. Not a good definition in my book. I have presented some examples of what I consider submission and you are correct, it is very subjective. But one can not just choose to ignore another's assessment as nobody lives in isolation. All thoughts and actions have reactions and there are few that can stay ego in the face of another's opinion, you can proclaim you are not, but is not the act of proclamation a defensive act a denial of possibility. Are we hunting alphas? In the end this is just debate, we do not debate the truth of 1+1 is 2 as there is no room for interpretation. We debate only what is subjective. Why? why not.. there need be no reason but that of debate for its own sake. i have the luxury of time at the moment and I enjoy this game, there will be no winners as there is no adjudication but it is fun. You make mention of the animal. We are human, Homo sapien (homo pre-latin from the earth, and sapien derived from the Latin discerning or more accurately capable of discerning ) A trait that sets us as unique in the world of life. We can reason and we have control over the animal roots, the basic primal instinctual needs. Is the alpha sapien or but part of the instinctual, the old ape. Interesting point as one could very well say that the alpha has no place in the modern world, and for many the alpha is but the archetypal hero, a myth and larger than life. Extinct and with out a place. But should we embrace our modernity or discerning ways, I see there is still much value in the instinctual animal that resides in all of us. It would take great and continuous effort to suppress the animal, could that be then the alpha, the perfect human (re Dune the Kwisatz Haderach.) Alpha the man capable of discerning. It is clear that ego is a base emotion and part of the animal. The alpha should be in control of that, as so far ego has tripped up all contenders. Just speculation of course. As the pages roll by it could be that we may find that elusive alpha as i inferred very early on. If it happens, I think the gender will not be male as RHP is not a place for male alphas in my opinion.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'inspirit' A submissive person is always in control. That is bullshit quite frankly. A submissive person is not in control in everyday life at all.This is some bullshit that the BDSM crowd like to put forward. In a role play sure, but in everyday life with real submissive people. No.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Lao Tzu was one of the founders of Taoism. Taoism teaches to be like water and be adaptable. In essense, submissive to natural forces in the world (won't get into no mind discussion as by your misquote I see you don't understand). The master does not control or be dominant. They are submissive to the natural forces, and just like water finds its way down a mountain, so does the master find his way. So you contradict yourself with your own quotes, which suggests your dominance is driven out of ignorant bullying :p Now that I've stirred the pot, more out of my own enjoyment, I'm interested to hear what you now have to say :)
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Plain
10 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' Quoting '50zcool' Remember "real men don't eat quiche" ? Actually "Real Men" eat whatever they fucken like ! Only fucken Truckies eat quiche
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RHP User
10 years ago
A Sub, yes, ultimately. I think they choose to be submissive in a controlled setting. A submissive person is so in every setting, in my view, which I think is very different. Maybe it's all semantics? For all I know we mean the same thing, but assign different meanings to the terms Sub, submissive people, submissive minds, etc.
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RHP User
10 years ago
You and Simon should take it to the Alpha Males thread. I think it needs more chest thumping. :-P
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RHP User
10 years ago
And possibly swing from vines, wear loan cloths and have a Tarzan yell :p I'm assuming you like the Tarzan body too, but maybe a little more upstairs though :) Must excuse me, I just can't help but poke fun at this thread. Submissive/Dominant not sure it relates much to sexual interest of women to men. But much more research shows job title and social contacts are much more sexually appealing. And if alpha male is about top man, then I'd have to laugh about the top job in our country (Priminister) as he certainly does not come off as Alpha to me :p
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Mischeviouslad
10 years ago
Quoting 'OF_78'But much more research shows job title and social contacts are much more sexually appealing. Does it? I think you fall into a trap spun by misinformation and specific examples when you start arguing that. Some women, sure...... the lure of a certain lifestyle can have appeal - just as some men chase the appeal of the physical beauty of youth, for example. BUT there would be an endless line of women who will tell you that no amount of money, cars, high status jobs and social events..... ... will compensate for a man they dont find any attraction for, and without attraction, the other 'stuff' can get pretty boring and lonely. The flip side of that, is that if you understand the elements that drive attraction, you can actually compensate for a relative lack of the things you mentioned. The playing field is never level, or one sided. DG
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' It is a shame that you had to preen so. Quote Simon;"External factors influence my actions, but they do not determine or control them."A bold statement, and a worthy creed, yet credulous. Free will is an illusion you are as much in control as a feather in the wind. Here I bump into your ego and it will have its consequences. but to continue the debate it must be dealt with as you have set up that wall. ..... Lucky you are not in the military which I would say has great attraction to alphas. All of which must learn subservience first before they can ever gain dominance. I wonder if there is a way to say alphas never submit. Sorry Simon seems you are just a man but that's good is it not? Was expecting the free will comment, and you are indeed free to debate it as you will. The illusion has always been good enough for me though. Likewise the "I". Like the existence of a God, that's a debate I can't enjoy unless there's beer involved. In the meantime, I find it useful to assume that all that is here in my head is me. Just a man, enjoying my reality as I experience it. You are (probably) free to enjoy your own.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I agree, and actually loath Disney for bringing up a generation of women who believe a man will save them. I think the recent Frozen movie is finally portraying good girl power, and a better message. However, what saddens me more is that I've seen people saying that cuddling is more intimate than sex. Now am I not to be classed as an Alpha male for wanting to get to know someone rather than "taking control" and being "dominant" to just have sex with them and work out feelings after the fact. It's a game I can play very well (especially being hypervigilant from childhood trauma) but I guess I've out grown the game. I guess in the end, I finally found the power in being myself, being honest and being vulnerable.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'OF_78'Lao Tzu was one of the founders of Taoism. Taoism teaches to be like water and be adaptable. In essense, submissive to natural forces in the world (won't get into no mind discussion as by your misquote I see you don't understand). The master does not control or be dominant. They are submissive to the natural forces, and just like water finds its way down a mountain, so does the master find his way. So you contradict yourself with your own quotes, which suggests your dominance is driven out of ignorant bullying :p Now that I've stirred the pot, more out of my own enjoyment, I'm interested to hear what you now have to say :) I appreciate the ideas of Lao Tzu, but can't claim to be a Master. It is the minimalist concepts that resonate most with me. That said, I'm not sure there's a contradiction (at least in the way I think, although the way I'm perceived based on this thread is another matter). Not much I can do about the inevitable flow of water, march of time, or the laws of physics for that matter. I am as beholden to them as any other temporary inhabitant here, and I'm completely at peace with that. I can and do control how I react, which includes of course doing nothing (gasp, submitting!). I can only hope they don't turn up with a strap-on. I really only respond here though to make it clear that I don't seek control or to be dominant over others (with the possible exception of my children, who seem to be immune). I do indeed flow through life like the proverbial water down the mountain. Many others have chosen to follow at times, but that is their choice, not my demand. Even my staff are treated as volunteers. I have found when I am motivated and active in a cause (social, sporting, political or business), then it turns out that people want to follow. When I'm not, or to people who meet me outside that realm, I may not be recognisable as a leader at all. I'm big and obvious, and I'm confident, but I also listen a lot more than I speak. Often I won't get involved in a social situation at all unless I find someone interesting, and I'm not particularly fond of attention from strangers (which explains my withdrawal from public focused leadership roles many years ago). In fact, I'm far from the stereo-typical alpha and don't claim to be one. I am however a natural leader that possesses many alpha traits. I do not seek leadership, it finds me. I'm much like many of the leaders I know, which is what brought me to this discussion in the first place as I have some insight into their thoughts and minds. They do not try and dominate, and they are never domineering. They share rather than submit. But I'm just talking about personal experience while everyone else talks concepts, which really has turned into a stream of pointless grandstanding. Apologies for adding to it with an off-hand quote I happen to like. In my first post here I signed off that people should feel free to fire away, it won't bother me. I was right, it doesn't bother me. But all these submissions are getting tedious ;)
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' You and Simon should take it to the Alpha Males thread. Where am I?
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RHP User
10 years ago
apparently the gorilla section at Taronga ๐ - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
For those that aspire to be the leader, they should under no circumstance ever be allowed to lead (forget who said this but someone wise :) ). Pretty much the reason so many company boards are dysfunctional. Your need to justify yourself is your own demise. It does not show your confidence, but rather your insecurities :p and with that your bittle sense of control dissipates. But what do I know... I'm still diagnosed mentally dissordered and sometimes when I see this go on, I thank myself for being who I am.... otherwise I would go insane :p
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'MON5TEROUSmind' Didnt you read my profile .... :) I am the absolute perfection of an Alpha male.... FFS stop making me blush!~ hahahha... you are killing me :) lol.. I draw naked people as well. To be honest, I just feel and know what men are alpha. Its intuitive and subjective. Its primal for me. I have been introduced to men that women were gushing all over and saying oh he is so in charge kinda guyonly to find to me he is just an obnoxious prat. There are a few examples of men on here that crap on about how other men need to lead. Those that talk it seldom walk it.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'OF_78' ...Your need to justify yourself is your own demise. It does not show your confidence, but rather your insecurities :p and with that your bittle sense of control dissipates. But what do I know... I'm still diagnosed mentally dissordered and sometimes when I see this go on, I thank myself for being who I am.... otherwise I would go insane :p Nip nip, poke poke. You're right, but if I could just get the validation of the anonymous crowd I would be complete :)
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madotara69
10 years ago
discussing cum seeping out of an all but completed wet writhing in passionate lustful spasms, her delectable and truly well fucked pussy. Shine on.
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Seachange
10 years ago
Haha. What? You crack me up, monsieur Alfalfa. Lol. I'll have what you are having dear man. :-p
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madotara69
10 years ago
I'd eat the arse out of a low flying duck, even suck the skin off a rice pudding to have her in that state of mind. and our mate Aplha's in the moments =too then
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'SimonDoes' Likewise the "I". Like the existence of a God, that's a debate I can't enjoy unless there's beer involved. In the meantime, I find it useful to assume that all that is here in my head is me. Just a man, enjoying my reality as I experience it. You are (probably) free to enjoy your own. Me? more like a boy, but enjoyable I must say. So much to see so much to do, and so much to look forward to, and one day maybe I will grow up, get an extra hair on my chest and be able to call my self a man. Seems the debate is now wandering. I did a bit of research into the alpha role and seems that many alphas have some extra Y chromosomes. We normally assume that its just the X and the Y but that is not always true you can be male and be XXY, XY, XYY, XXYY, and even XYYY. Each extra Y increases the expression of male traits. Same goes for women, with some women having two pairs of X with the classic amazonian build and look.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I like being quirky, hard to understand and different. It makes me unique. And unique things are not replaceable. Needing others validation is attempts to be "normal" like everyone else. And if your normal then you're replaceable with the next "normal" guy. I say screw that and be your unique wonderful self and be loved for that... And no women will ever get the same experience from someone else... And before the puns if "yeh a bad experience", I say move on... someone's crazy is going to play nice with your crazy and that might just be love... or at least a crazy good time in bed ;)
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Seachange
10 years ago
I believe Simon was being sarcastic. ;-)
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Quoting 'SimonDoes' Quoting 'Meeka100'I assumed thy an alpha male would be a born leader or someone who would take charge of a situation. It's something that is so ingrained in their personality that being submissive to another man in a threesome wouldn't be a comfortable thing for them to do. That is what I was thinking when I asked this question. Allowing and watching your partner take pleasure is not necessarily submissive. Sharing control of a partner is not necessarily submissive. In fact, both are just as likely to be dominant acts. Or did you have something else in mind? Oh no, I don't think that is submissive thing at all. It is the eating the other man's cum out of the woman's vajayjay which to me is a guy being submissive to the other man. Well, so to speak. And before 50zCool sends me a quiche recipe I am not saying it is a bad thing. that if it is something you enjoy doing then I don't think it would be submissive, it would be submissive if you were expected or ordered to do it.
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RHP User
10 years ago
But there is always some truth behind sarcasm, otherwise not funny. And while I like to poke fun, I hate if I hurt anyone. So for the mickey I take, I always try to return it two fold - otherwise my BPD condition means I get to feel it quite painfully... yah for my own intense emotions keeping me on the straight and narrow :p
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RHP User
10 years ago
And if you ever heard about crazy arse women with daddy issues being good in bed... well I'm the male equivalent :p
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Seachange
10 years ago
You know Simon has left tge building. Lol. Dont think he'll be hitting the ball back into yiur court. But I do get what u mean by sarcasm but I think it does not apply to him. I.e. the crowd acceptance or validation. Anyhow. How are you? Have a good weekend. Heard Perth still "burning". Take care
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inspirit
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meeka100' Quoting 'inspirit' A submissive person is always in control. That is bullshit quite frankly. A submissive person is not in control in everyday life at all.This is some bullshit that the BDSM crowd like to put forward. In a role play sure, but in everyday life with real submissive people. No. How very small minded. Are you having a crack at the BDSM world? I thought your question was "can an Alpha Male be truly submissive" ........ are you asking in a sexual manner??? If so then I do believe YES.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Perth's fine... though fire's down South. Though I'm sure people hear don't need to hear our conversation... happy to take it to messages if those legs of yours may be interested in feeling a little fire ;)
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RHP User
10 years ago
You might want to start getting Lily's name right if you're gonna flirt with her.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Yes... Lilyorchid... Please excuse my phone (and my lack of due diligence) in getting your alias wrong... though I won't do the same with your first name :)
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RHP User
10 years ago
And do I now have to eat cum from lilyorchid's pussy... Possibly after SimonDoes is done? :p ;) :)
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inspirit
10 years ago
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